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- hadees, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4new t-shirt idea - "I got posioned and all I got was this lousy t-shirt"
- MacGyver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think this guy is full of himself. He acts like he's some hero for putting the worse than hell section back up even though there was an attempt on his life. Some of his shirts are funny, but I think it shows a lack of creativity on his part that he has to resort to making fun of tragedies like 911, the tsunami and school shootings just because of the instant reaction they get from people. Stuff like that takes no talent.
- phil.busch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This guy has the right to say what he wants, and it's not like he is forcing you to buy his shirts. For example: I see flaws in certain religions. But on Sunday mornings do I stand outside the local church and tell them to people? No. It's simply what I think.
Also - the best way to get through tragedy is laughter. After 9/11, everyone was depressed and somber. When the first Saturday Night Live came back on after wards, the country started to be much more positive. They started the show mourning the loss of life, but then someone made a joke with mayor Giuliani (sp?) and people started to laugh and feel better. Comedy made the country laugh in a hard time - and this guy is doing the same, to an extent, even if it is a much cruder humor. - tryferos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Lumiras, GladHeAter may have been blunt in expressing his freedom of speech but that is still his right. Sure he could have said it in a different way, but that right to say whatever is still there. As for you comment about "torched in a mass fire" that sounds like someone the book burnings of years ago when people didnt agree with something. The t-shirts are just that....t-shirts!! It a website that you can easily ignore, and shirts that you never have to buy or wear. Lets take this all in perspective and just relax. A crude sense of humor is nothing to get bent out of shape over.
- outlaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I hate too but I agree with the french pussy on this one.
- maskd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For all the people who find these things offensive and can't have even the slightest laugh over any of them: Do you have a sense of humour at all?
If so, what things do you find amusing?
Knock-Knock jokes because those are amazing! So are "Why did the chicken cross the road?" jokes. I piss myself whenever I hear one of those.
It's humour, if at least person is laughing at it he's done his job. - Inniscor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I was watching a show once where they were debating whether a shirt that talks about sex should be blanketed under free speech or not, and people were giving compelling arguments, but I have to say I did in the end agree with the right to wear it, because it's nothing offensive. It's just information that really is only bad because it's taboo and "Oh, the children!" and what not. There's a difference with these shirts in that they are offensive.
When they teach you about the first ammendment, they teach you the exceptions. Freedom of speech doesn't let you shout fire in a theatre, and it doesn't just suddenly let you insult people. It's dumb to assume that.
The point of freedom of speech is not to make "funny" insulting shirts. It's to protect the press and protestors and what not from the government/people in power, because they had to deal with that. It's sad how many things people throw freedom of speech at, like saying vulgar words on TV really will make this country any better, and censoring is soooo wrong. - cjsan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You can't say he didn't deserve it...
- GladHeAter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Lumiras, your one of those ***** who believes in freedom of speech until it bothers you. ***** You! How does that feel.That is real freedom of speech.
- rookieone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0what was the shirt he had to remove from the site?
- dvvarf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Inniscor - The problem is that these are tshirts that are sold to stupid people. They just end up encouraging this stuff, and it's wrong.
The same argument can be passed along to anything and everything in the world..guns are sold to stupid people, yet look at all those southerners valiantly fighting for their right to own assault weapons to "hunt" deer with..a pencil in the wrong hands can kill..the fact that this guys sells tshirts does not make him any more responsible for the actions of the people that buy them than Rockstar Games is responsible for idiot kids who feel like shooting things.. - AltReality, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If you read the letter, it is from Gary Cohen, not Aaron Schwartz....
Who are they trying to kill again? :) - Inniscor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I know that. He is fostering humor in things that should not be humorous and should be looked at in a serious way. Thousands of dead people aren't funny. Racism isn't funny. Just because it's in a shirt that's worded in a certain way doesn't mean that suddenly it's a blatant use of free speech. In what way does that advance free speech and rally the people to say what they want.
School shootings are funny. Especially the ones with casualties. Lets make a shirt that lists them all and laugh about it. That's not the kind of message that you want to give people. It's just laughing in the face of people who were hurt because of people who make children, in one way or another, think shooting people is ok.
I agree that it's not the maker of a product, but the consumer who is responsible for action, but that doesn't mean that you're exempt from any criticism for this kind of stuff.
And the whole poisoning thing is just stupid. How self absorbed do you have to be to go around calling yourself a martyr for freedom of speech for making shirts that have racial slurs and what not. Seriously... - exoendo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Free speech is meant to protect speech that is unpopular. Speech that finds favor with the public would never need protection in the first place.
His shirts are awesome. :) - SuperMoonMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I strongly dislike this guy's t-shirts, but I don't think he deserves to die for it.
- dvvarf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0learn a thing or two*..sorry english is not my first language
- dvvarf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. - Voltaire
Please learn a thing or too...the guy is not actually hurting anyone (physically..if your mentally hurt..go cry)..nor is he staining anyone's reputation..ergo he is protected by the 1st Amendment, seeing as how there is no libel or slander..To my knowledge, tshirt hell does not use any racial slurs that could be considered "fighting words." If you disagree with the message of the site..its pretty simple to not visit it.. - MattZed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0No matter what anyone says about whether this is right or wrong, you will always get people who will buy the shirts. This explains why Schwarz has their own little fortune. They saw a demand, so they made tshirts for those who want to buy. What they want to put on their tshirts is their own business.
- Namtaru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0andyman1: yes these shirts are freaking hilarious. ive been watching the site for several years now, and it always gets better and better.
and to all you idiots saying 'oh gosh its no good to poke fun at tragedy'
well guess what? its a natural human reaction to help people cope with very serious tragedy: joking about it. i very seriously doubt anyone really thinks the tsunami was funny. but a lot of people will laugh at the tshirt about it. does this make them horrible people who ignore tragedy? no, it just makes them human.
my friend is a firefighter/emt. and you know what happens when he (and the people he is with) deals with something incredibly tragic? they will joke about it. because if you stay somber and spend all your time thinking about it, that ***** will take you down fast. does this mean these people think its funny when people get hurt? not in the slightest. its just a way to deal with something very emotional and tragic. - Inniscor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0How is that freedom of speech? How is that even defensible. The message he gives is so hypocritical. He makes fun of things that he has no right to make fun of and hides behind a blanket of "charity donations." You're still laughing at the tsunami victims, the school and postal shooting victims, racism, and all sorts of things under a false sense of free speech. Free speech wasn't made to make stupid t shirts of sex related shirts so you can wear what you want on the street, even though it can make fun of a whole generation of a specific group of people. If you're going to try to defend these stupid shirts, why do it using free speech?
This guy is stupid. He is not doing anything heroic or good willed. He's making idiotic shirts for the sake of trying to be funny. He's telling people that it's ok to be racist bigots and show it. It's not something about not buying or wearing a shirt. It's offensive that this guy sells them, and that people walk around streets thinking they're wearing the funniest stuff... -.- - outlaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't think the shirts are funny but he is free to say what ever he wants too the is the point of freedom of speech if you don't like it don't support it just cause you don't like does'nt mean other don't so go file a complant too the fcc about some ***** tv show you just saw and shut up.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Why the hell is this under "security"? It has nothing to do with tech security.
- cjsan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0 n[i]tro
Don't hate the player, hate the game. - Dragular, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0No, the freedom of speech wasn't made so that you can make stupid t-shirts that insult people. However, the second amendment wasn't created so gangs and punks could run around shooting at each other and so rednecks could accidentally shoot themselves in the leg when they'd gotten a bit too tipsy, but hey, you gotta take the good part of your freedoms with the bad.
- dvvarf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Inniscor = He is fostering humor in things that should not be humorous and should be looked at in a serious way. Thousands of dead people aren't funny. Racism isn't funny.
Again..You may think so..but he IS constitutionally protected in doing such things..and HE may think its funny..and you are in no place to deny him HIS right of expression..as wrong and sordid as it may be..its kind of like the parents television council trying to get CSI or 24 off of the airwaves because .1% of the population doesn't want it there..just because you believe in something doesn't give YOU the right to infringe upon whatever it is that goes on in the head of the tshirthell guy..you simply have no right - mike_p, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Umm... I didn't read any of these posts so all I'm going to say is:
1) He can sell/create what he wants. You don't like, don't buy.
2) These shirts are hilarious, though I do respect people who strongly disagree.
3) Any person with a vendetta out for this guy obviously has issues. If he isn't bothering you directly and/or personally, why waste the time to go after him? He's got rights and is human just like the rest of us. Doesn't mean you have to like him though.
4) This story, could be just media fodder to generate business. *Could* be. - Chimichanga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0>In what way does that advance free speech and rally the people to say what they want.
It rallies them because they do not believe you get to choose what is funny. - andyman1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Am I the only person who finds his shirts immensely amusing?
I certainly wouldn't wear one as I'd get my ass kicked, but I find them funny as hell. - velox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"And the whole poisoning thing is just stupid. How self absorbed do you have to be to go around calling yourself a martyr for freedom of speech for making shirts that have racial slurs and what not. Seriously..." - Inniscor
I'll agree with you here. This guy is an ignorant waste of space who profits off of the pain of others. I'd fully endorse making T-Shirts poking fun at his death once it finally comes for him. This guy truly is a worthless piece of *****.
That being said, I see no reason to physically harm him nor take down his website.
"The point of freedom of speech is not to make "funny" insulting shirts. It's to protect the press and protestors and what not from the government/people in power, because they had to deal with that. It's sad how many things people throw freedom of speech at, like saying vulgar words on TV really will make this country any better, and censoring is soooo wrong."
See, this is exactly why he's protected by the first amendment. The first amendment was put into place with a broad description because it's not limited to one specific group of people. It's meant to protect anyone with a differing opinion from those who feel VERY passionately about the exact opposite. There's no black/white right and wrong in anything. Everything is completely subjective. No matter how small they may be, there's still (unfortunately) people who are glad the Tsunami's/9-11 occurred. (IE: The Christian extremists who exploited the tsunami by handing out bibles with their aid and the Muslim extremists who cheered as the towers fell.) Put simply, the 1st amendment makes sure that while the majority may rule, the minority still has rights to speak its mind.
These sorts of people are disgusting to me, however their words, expressions, and ideas aren't what hurt me. It's only their actions. So if they want to express their radical, offensive thoughts, they can go right ahead. I'm not incapable of a verbal retort or simply ignoring their words by changing the channel or not visiting their website.
I'm not flaming you, I just felt I'd exercise my first amendment rights by expressing my own opinion. I'm happy to see you've expressed your opinion, as well. - Khabi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Maybe I'm just one of the people who have a completely different outlook on life. I'm not racist, I don't give a damn if you're black, asian, white, or anything else, but I do find stereotypes funny. If you can't laugh at them, then nothing will ever change. People will always find some way to insult someone, laugh it off and keep moving, then it will stop.
On the same point. School shootings, natural disasters, etc are not funny in and of them selves. But prolonged grief won't do any good. Changes come from action, not constant sadness. If I were to die in a horrible accident tomorrow, I would have no ill feelings if they made a T-Shirt that portrayed it in some comical light.
Saying that these shirts breed hate and racism among other things is unfair, they only express a side of you, whether you believe what it says or not. If you're not mature enough to accept people don't think alike, then you need to step back and take a look at yourself first. - PhaseDMA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0First of all... If you don't like the shirts don't buy them.
Second of all. Move to China for a year if you don't like free speech. If you still don't believe all people should have free speech I might pay attention.
Third of all - Why not be concrened about people that actually stand behind what they are saying as opposed to people just trying to make money. I would much rather stand behind a guy with a sense of humor saying stupid things then politician saying stupid things and fully believing in those thoughts. - cards, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Khabi: "but I do find stereotypes funny. If you can't laugh at them, then nothing will ever change"
I don't really have a comment about the shirts relating to tragedies, but for those dealing with race/sexuality/etc issues, I find them funny as a way of making fun of the ignorant. Kind of like Dave Chappelle's Clayton Bigsby (black white supremacist) character...he goes on and on using slurs and talking about how much he hates all of these different races...but in the end, the joke is that the person holding those views is laughably ignorant. - Ravenlock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Lumiras - As others have pointed out, your outrage may be understandable but your position is not defensible. "Freedom of speech" means he has exactly as much right to say what he likes, offensive though it may be, as you have to yell at him for it. If you are advocating censorship, you are deteriorating freedom of speech, by definition.
Note, of course, that freedom of speech does NOT extend to anything and everything a person wants to say. The classic example of falsely yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theatre is not protected by freedom of speech. Neither is inciting someone to violence. A shirt saying "Kill all the Muslims" would not be protected by free speech. But unpopular ideology or very crude humor generally is. - afslip, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Who gives a ***** if he's life was threatened. If you dont like what he does, then dont bother with it. I for one dont like what he is doing, but as a american he has the right to do it if he wants to. But its also my right not to give a ***** what he is doing.
- Optimus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's 2005. Vengeance and vigilante justice have no place in modern society.
He broke no law, and if he did, it's up to law enforcement to deal with him. Protest if you want, fight to change freedom of speech laws, but *do not threaten or attempt to take the man's life*. You're not just hurting him, you're hurting his family and the dignity of humanity.
We've come a long way in a few hundred years; don't ***** on what we've achieved. - firebrand, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This guy simply capitalizes on the illnesses of the world, and makes it glorified by those who buy into the illness which will in turn perpetuate it into an even worse social situation over the years. Frankly, I call our downward spiral of a society decline progress. Eventually it's got to turn around. Let it burn!
- the3kgt2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0It was me!!!!!
- AltReality, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0oh he's the t-shirt hell contact guy...never mind :)
- Inniscor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0dvvarf it's not just a website. If it was some stupid flash animation that people giggle at, then it's different. You can ignore that. The problem is that these are tshirts that are sold to stupid people. They just end up encouraging this stuff, and it's wrong.
I hate it when people use good meaningful quotes about times when people were persecuted for dissenting against a tyranical (in some sort) government, and then use that to defend... dirty words on television and bigot shirts. Way to use that 10% of your brain. - Chimichanga, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I actually think the point of that sketch was that he was blind. Remember that he follows through with his ***** hating by divorcing his wife for loving *****.
- Lumiras, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Wow GladHeAter.........a stunning example of maturity.
Yes, we are given freedom of speech, but we are also given freedom of self-restraint. Mr. Schwartz does not have this control. Therefore, his racist, biggoted, and vulgar shirts should be torched in a mass fire, and if Mr. Schwartz happens to wander into that fire, well....... - outlaw, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0I love ***** to everyone should own one.
- HellBoy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0Maybe he ate windows95 CD
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If you want a free XBOX360 jump on this thing now. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0rofl ***** free speach you american ***** "omg its my god given right to shoot ***** and say whatever I want" meanwhile you have over 10,000 murders a year...
in my country we have like 60.. .
And yet bitch moan and complain about a tshirt?! Yeah good one. Solve all the other ***** thats ***** with your country THEN deal with teh shirts.
Till then; T-Shirt Hell Owner = My Hero. - Lumiras, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0This guy and his t-shirts should not be on this earth. He hides behind free speech, but he's abusing it. He thinks that because he has free speech, he can make very vulgar jokes about the deaths of thousands of people. How about everyone on Digg puts together a little fund that if this guy dies, we make sure to make t-shirts about it and make fun of the fact that he's dead. What an idiot. If you're a fan of his or his t-shirts, you should be ashamed
