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- glinsvad, on 12/01/2008, -7/+36http://xkcd.com/272/
- wonttellya, on 12/01/2008, -4/+28The AV companies will never tell you this, but there are two class of virus/malware the first kind is those make the news when a large number of computers are affected. They’re usually wild spread and easily detected by anti-virus software once they’re on the wild and infected one of the AV companies’ honeypods. The second kind is sniper Trojans usually only target specific group of computers. They rarely make the news and no AV company has the resource to counter this kind of Trojans. They don’t infect tens of thousands of computers but they can do just as much damage. Imagine Chinese (China now replaced USSR as our default bad guys) semiconductor company target Intel employees with a Trojan only spread to laptops capable of logging into Intel.com domain. No AV company will have a signature for that particular Trojan and traditional AV software are basically useless in this situation. The sad part is, malware development, unlike large scale software development projects, requires relatively low skill level and can be written quickly by one or two average developer and source code freely available on the internet. Easy work + high pay = more malware every year.
Anti-virus has never been effective in protecting regular computer users and get in the way of geeks who know what they’re doing. But until we have a better solution, I still install virus scanner on my parent’s machines. - hawkspur, on 12/01/2008, -0/+19Terrible graph is terrible.
- cyrusuncc, on 12/01/2008, -2/+17Basic knowledge is the best method of virus/malware prevention.
- inactive, on 12/01/2008, -6/+14Have a look at using Sandboxie and Returnil.
Give them a bit of time to learn their amazingly secure capabilities and I doubt you will bother using an AV/AS again.
Why try to detect malware when it can be contained then easily deleted as required.
http://www.sandboxie.com/
http://www.returnilvirtualsystem.com/rvspersonal.h ... - MrTankJump, on 12/02/2008, -1/+8That sounds interesting. Returnil is basically just deep-freezing your windows system in a partition, then booting it virtually, while sandboxie just doesn't let any program touch windows system files. Make you wonder why all operating systems just don't have this hard coded to begin with.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 12/02/2008, -0/+7Because anti-virus companies would complain to the EU that Microsoft was being anti-competitive. They would then fine Microsoft for hundreds of millions of euros, and bar Windows from being sold in the EU.
- dizzy113, on 12/02/2008, -1/+7To bad our aunts and uncles, etc. never learn and you wind up spending hours fixing their computers
- sigmaman2, on 12/01/2008, -3/+9Not sure, but I think it's one of those cron jobs that runs as root on Windows systems.
(dead comment awaiting burial) - TheSwashbuckler, on 12/02/2008, -0/+5"Detection starts *after* you are infected."
Wrong. Detection can start as soon as someone else is infected. - WNW3, on 12/02/2008, -1/+5That's not norton antivirus, it's called win antivirus 2008. See more here: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081124-micr ...
- TheKingOfGames, on 12/02/2008, -2/+6FAIL!
- MWeather, on 12/02/2008, -0/+4I put Linux on my grandma's computer two years ago. I haven't had to repair it yet.
- dato62, on 12/02/2008, -0/+4I view suspicious sites via Virtual Box running Ubuntu. core2duo processor can do it easily. Be safe.
- mrBitch, on 12/03/2008, -0/+3@ bbqribs RE: " That banner/etc for antivirus2009 is Javascript evil. No matter what you click, it still goes on to download itself anyway. It's insidious malware crap. "
That's strange, it doesn't seem to be able to install itself on my MacBook ... - nOcoNtrol926, on 12/02/2008, -2/+5can someone tell me this about norton:
The computers I manage for my small business and some friends computers ive looked at, keep getting what amounts to spyware trying to get you to install and pay for norton antivirus. (ive never figured out how these people get it on the computer in the first place other than through poor judgement)
I've tried to remove it but it digs itself in requiring me to use safe mode and manual deletion to get rid of this crap(I tried uninstalling it on one occasion and it told me to pay for the product and register first, LOL).
This nonsense is like the mafia telling you to pay them for protection money, if you get what I mean. Am I seeing this wrong? Who would want to use ta product with these kind of tactics? - mrBitch, on 12/02/2008, -0/+3RE: " Malware only works because of dismal OS design, or dare I say, lack of 'intelligent' design. "
Which is why if you use Vista, you STILL need to have anti spyware and anti virus apps installed... - ryan83189, on 12/01/2008, -5/+8Detection starts *after* you are infected. Thats why I don't bother with them but once a month at most. I don't go to stupid websites, I don't go on random porn sites, I don't download that "Missing Codec", or warez, I don't open an email attachment that says "Yo check this out -- greeting_card.exe" . The problem is getting every one else using the system to do it.
- MWeather, on 12/02/2008, -0/+3I hate to break it to you, but major, trusted websites are frequently compromised and used to spread malware. There is no such thing as not going to stupid websites. They're ALL untrustworthy.
- inactive, on 12/01/2008, -3/+6Ryan, running your browser through Sandboxie allows you to surf where ever you want, download anything and run it in the sandbox.
You can also open any email attachment inside the sandbox without a piece of the data hitting the real system.
Terminate all running procesess in the sandbox and then delete the contents and it's like it's never been on your computer. - bbqribs, on 12/03/2008, -0/+3That banner/etc for antivirus2009 is Javascript evil. No matter what you click, it still goes on to download itself anyway. It's insidious malware crap.
- castletech, on 12/02/2008, -0/+3Yes that does and can happen. All I was saying was education is the best anti-virus/spyware/malware/trojan out there for the average consumer/user. The more people know, the harder it is to infect a system.
I have seen an entire network including the VPNs to other countries get infected through the method you have described. But that was custom made for that corporation and AV did not pick up on it. We had to work with AV company to build definitions for that trojan/virus. But, that would not happen for the average user. They always get it from installing software "limewire, bearshare etc." or looking at porn and installing that "video codec" so they can watch a video clip. A banner/flash ad on myspace a while back tried to install an EXE on my Mac after I clicked on it.
I meant to delete that comment above lol. - Myztry, on 12/02/2008, -0/+3Operating System should require software to be classified and restricted by type.
Access should be divided into compartments/categories.
System Utilities can't access documents.
Document software can't access system files.
Only package managers can access software stores.
All software can only access it's own configuration store.
Media applications can only access media files.
Malware only works because of dismal OS design, or dare I say, lack of 'intelligent' design. - sexybobo, on 12/02/2008, -0/+3firefox with adblock now i work on my parents computer ever 2 to 3 months instead of 2 to 3 weeks.
- Tenoq, on 12/02/2008, -0/+3We do have a better way - whitelisting. Unfortunately many people don't understand that concept either, and will probably just mindless click 'Allow/Approve' to any pop-up they get about a foreign program.
But IMO a decent HIPS is a far better anti-malware solution than any AV product. - richlw, on 12/02/2008, -0/+3NOD32 has a 64-bit client. When I had XP 64-bit, it worked great with it, no crashes
- MetalCharms, on 12/02/2008, -0/+3It's more likely than you think.
- castletech, on 12/02/2008, -3/+6100% of all PCs I have worked on because of a virus/trojan/malware infections had antivirus software installed. 100% of those infections are user error. For example: User clicks ad for xpantivirus2009 professional because a banner ad said they were infected. Another example would be the user is running norton av '99. Education is the most effective way to prevent infections. If people were to treat their computer like their body, then common sense judgment would be in effect. Would you use a condom from 1999? no of course not. Then why look at porn with AV from 1999?
- antdude, on 12/02/2008, -1/+4Use VMware, VirtualBox, etc.?
- unluckier, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2Yup. Until your bank account credentials are stolen by the malware. Whoops!
- mrBitch, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2I bought a MacBook Pro over a year ago, and the only reason I haven't deleted my Windows partition is because I boot into Windows every now and then to play games.
Windows is my games toy OS, while OSX is my everything else OS. - renanrcarvalho, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2Symantec Endpoint does support x64 environment.
- mrBitch, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2They're up to Vista SP1, and SP2 is coming out sometime after April next year (or so MS says, anyway).
- smotpoker, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2Or in the process of an infection attempt*
- mrBitch, on 12/02/2008, -1/+3Bingo! We have a winner!
The solution is NOT to have to be careful over what email you open and what web sites you visit...
The solution is to just have a better designed OS. - inactive, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2Yep, I still use ghost images and clones on spare hard drives as backups but it's much quicker/easier containing infections by utilising Sandboxie and Returnil than restoring from an image when infected.
For me I would be restoring from an image every half hour as my hobby is finding/testing new malware and uploading the results to the teams at Malwarebyte's and SuperAntispyware.
When I feel like it I fire up one of several virtual machines every now and then. - ryan83189, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2Cool, I remember some (false) rumors that vista would have a sandbox for internet use and got exited. I'll definitely take a look.
- inactive, on 12/02/2008, -1/+3I would rather have problems with a few viruses than not be able to play games.
- gkiltz, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2Unfortunately, between Anti-Virus, Anti-Spyware, firewalls, and cookie control, there is still no one product that really locates everything! There is also, unfortunately, no central database anywhere that really is a good, well-designed "What finds what" database! This means first, that you have little choice but to use overlapping products. Which is a huge cause of software conflicts and poor performance! It also means that someone of only average technical skills can never be quite sure how well protected they really are. As a result, Spyware and Viruses are able to get into computers of people who have moderate technical skills, or just get sloppy! Making them "Available" to infect servers, routers, and other nodes on the internet. As a result, even the most skilled security people must spend more time and energy chasing them down than is necessary.
I'm aware that a "What-finds-what" database would be a bear to create and maintain, but it would save EVERYONE so much money time and sanity that it's more than worth doing!!! - xlr8rbmx, on 12/03/2008, -0/+2My machine got infected with a spyware virus the other day and anti virus didn't catch it until after I noticed it and ran a complete system scan. I wasn't able to clean my machine until I downloaded a separate anti-malware program. Very frustrating.
- mrBitch, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2classic...
- MetalCharms, on 12/03/2008, -0/+2http://www.gorillasushi.com/images/imce/Image/Jaso ...
- metz8504, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2The best protection is being a smart user. If you're using the software, it's after you're already infected.
- castletech, on 12/02/2008, -1/+3Wait so your saying malware magically installs itself without user interaction? If I am ignorant I would like to see how. You never had a popup telling you false information about your PC? I did not even state how malware "works" in the first place. Enjoy your latest version of registry booster and professional antispyware ultra edition.
- dato62, on 12/02/2008, -1/+3I think that the best AV software is Kaspersky Lab AVP. It detected the new viruses faster than all other AV products. Norton generally useless, what with him that without him anyway, it does not protect against 90% of new viruses.
- Myztry, on 12/02/2008, -1/+3My Uncle is a multimillionaire who is (was) not very computer proficient. He kept killing his windows boxes with malware which was a concern since he does rather large transactions via ebay, Internet banking, stock trading, etc.
I set him up Ubuntu and don't have to deal with de-infecting his main computer any more. He lives on a huge property far from the city, and prefers to commute.
He uses standard alone GPS's in his private plane, boats and vehicles. Quite funny to see him referring to Google Maps/Earth for his eccentric adventures. He does quite well without Microsoft in any manner. - mrBitch, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2Zing!
- mrBitch, on 12/02/2008, -1/+3@MrTankJump RE: " ... while sandboxie just doesn't let any program touch windows system files. Make you wonder why all operating systems just don't have this hard coded to begin with. "
All other OS, EXCEPT FOR WINDOWS do exactly that.
Try any Linux distro, or OSX. - mrBitch, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2@Junior612 RE: " www.apple.com/antivirus "
LOL! Nice... :
" Hmm, the page you’re looking for can’t be found. " -
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