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- portis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24Google makes more money with these bot net's than with real clicks.
- RyeBrye, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24@fro0ty
Google never tells you why your account was canceled. They say "It's a trade secret why we are screwing you out of the money you had accumulated." (they use other words, of course)... It's kind of hard to prove you didn't do something - when Google never tells you what it is you were supposed to have done in the first place ... It's more of a begging process than an appeals process. - Kupotek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15A friend of mine went on a clicking rampage one day thinking he was helping me out.
My Adsense account was summarily banned.
I contacted Google after he told me what happened and they did reinstate my account. - Jarda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Google wants to pay 5$ for every 1000$ you lost due to click fraud. Do no evil indeed...
- Saintlink, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8After getting a bunch of junk traffic through my AdWords account I'm going to wager and say you might be right on that statement.
- SWGreg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9They will find a way to stop it, but in the process they will most likely end up banning many legitimate adsense users.
- bairy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Interestingly, the ban ban ban attitude they so adore doesn't seem to apply to very popular sites.
I don't really want to go into details, but lets just say Google was informed by various people (staggered time) that a particular site owner had been telling them to click ads (granted it was a bit of a grudge against the site owner, but it wasn't untrue)
This site gets tens of millions of pageviews a month.
Google didn't respond and did nothing, not even contact him about it. - digjedi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Google doesn't like to admit it and some user dismiss it saying "Google monitors clicks" - but where there is money to be made us easily there are tons of people doing it. Even small ISP techs with access to thousands of IPs can set up a small system of clicks across several accounts. Don't get greedy and make $30 a month... but when you get 30 accounts it becomes a car payment. Eventually get caught? Start it all over again. ;-)
Someday soon advertisers are going realize Google Ads are a big scam. Google hides how big this problem is as advertisers would be leaving or at the least paying much less then they do now. It's in Googles best interest to hide the issue. - ilovemusic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Exactly. I've never heard of a single case (where the site wasn't huge, at least 250,000 pageviews per month or better) where Google reinstated someones adsense account no matter what they plead with them. So basically, unless you were a big enough site and Google sees you as an "asset," so to speak... Well, somewhat.
- ultrafastneal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6this is to 1024k: I'm sure it's possible, and there are people already doing it. The funny thing is that it would probably take less effort to just spend time improving our sites, and doing some cross promoting with other sites to increase visitors (and page-ranking). Then we would be doing two things at the same time- making better sites better and increasing our adsense revenue.
- RyeBrye, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Google still monitors clickthrough rate. That's one of the reasons you are forbidden to ever reveal your clickthrough rate to anyone.
Google also doesn't give a crap about who is running the botnet. They will ban (for "life") anyone who receives invalid clicks. There is no appeal process to this banning. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Someone did that to me once. I emailed google when I noticed I had more clicks than pageviews and let them know it wasn't me.
I didn't recieve $$ for the clicks but I still have Adsense. - warrenfalk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If I were to create botnets for this purpose, I would make the botnets click my own ads, of course, but also other ads so that my ip couldn't easily be "blacklisted" as a fraudulent without affecting legitimate customers.
Google's probably hip to the botnet click fraud and that is probably why we've seen so many complaints by site owners claiming to be legitimate but getting banned by Google.
In fact, since the machines with botnets statistically have more gullible owners, they are also more likely to click ads themselves, adding to the problem.
In the end, how can you tell a real click from a fraudulent one? - Dohko_Xar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3We need to reinvent the whole Internet Advertising all over again...
- briancarnell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"A friend of mine went on a clicking rampage one day thinking he was helping me out.
My Adsense account was summarily banned.
I contacted Google after he told me what happened and they did reinstate my account."
I've seen this sort of story but never the next part -- doesnt' this make Google AdSense accounts trivially open to click fraud attacks (sorry couldn't think of a better word) attacks by competitors and/or opponents.
For example, I really dislike another site that competes with mine. The other site (like mine) uses Adsense to generate revenue. Can I and a few friends spend a couple hours clicking on Google Ads on this person's site and get his Adsense account pulled? - ig0r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is called "smart-pricing", it uses conversion data to measure the quality of the clicks.
- mapkinase, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The problem lies with automatization. In internet world this leads to multiple possibilities of automatic fraud.
Nielsen system for TV: people for certain compensation allow installation of hardware at their computer that checks the pages viewed, searches made and calculates the rating of pages or searches. The ad prices should be based on that rating.
True, it is technologically step backward, but it is more scientific measurement. - garraeth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2[sorry, rant continues]...spending $3k/month, getting 500 clicks, and watching my stats (user paths). "People" click, see ONE page, and disappear. Screw that. I get more from organic visits.
- garraeth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree, 90% of the time Adsense is a complete waste. Even if Google makes $ off click fraud, they'll have to clean it up or all the legit people will eventually disappear...like I did.
- RyeBrye, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You could also look into Commission Junction. There you only get commission - but there are some very good sites on there. eBay is the one money-maker for my site... Just a thought. Since they only pay comission they don't give a crap about clickthru and you will never get banned from them after-the-fact... so it's harder money to get but it's more stable money to be accumulating.
- trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Someday soon advertisers are going realize Google Ads are a big scam."
as long as advertisers continue to get more customers through ad sense such that they are making more from ads then they are paying google they will continue to use it. They don't care if they are loosing some money from fraudulent clicks as long as they are getting back more than they put in. When you look at it ad sense is one of the most reliable investments because you are almost garenteed a net profit. - firemillen2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1what the hell did the guy above me just say? anyone translate?
- BrewmasterC, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Why doesn't google just weight adsense sites with a clickfraud probability? If your site gets a ton of clickspam it would reduce your weighting to while, but once the clickspam went down it would give you almost one adsense "point" per click. No need to ban people, and those who get a low rating could be more pro-active about fixing it instead of the current all or none strategy.
- Pizpump, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wish I was clever enough to have developed that...rnrnLove how Google wants to pay you 1/10th of a cent for a click but expects you to shell out $10 per click if you want to run an ad.rnrnGoddamn money hungry ***** *****. ***** Google and ***** adsense.
- 1024k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0To ultrafastneal: You and I don't engage in fraud not because being honest is the easier way to make money but because we care about integrity and moral standards and have creativity and the interest in creating content. We are not talking about you and me, though, but about scammers.
Scammers for the most part have very different skills, ethics and interests. They are not necessarily stupid, but many of them, even if they put all their efforts into it, would probably not succeed in honest projects the way they do with fraud. Their overall spectrum of skills is not that of a content-creator and cannot be changed just like that.
I did not at any point mean to suggest we should all exploit AdSense, so we are on the same side. I'm just saying that AdSense fraud can be done unnoticed and is probably happening. And from my point of view statements in the sense of "I'm sure my buddy Google can deal with this" do not reflect reality very well. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1When you put the question like that plainly, the answer is "You can't." Since the same botnet principle is used for DDOS as for clickfraud, and we can't stop DDOS attacks by detecting and filtering the fraudulent requests from the valid ones, then in theory clickfraud is also equally unpreventable.
Incidentally, this should imply that if Google really CAN correctly detect clickfraud, then they also possess an algorithm to stop DDOS attacks, which would be incredibly valuable. - ttdevelop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0there's a time bomb on comments? First time...
- pradanang, on 05/29/2009, -0/+0made the competition harder rite?
- 1024k, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2No offense, but I think that's kind of a naive thought. I have no doubt that it is possible to build and use bot nets to slowly and unobtrusively increase ad income of a website without generating suspicious click through rates or being in other ways recognized as fraud. I also have no doubt, that these bot nets not only exist in my fantasy but are alive and making money.
- ttdevelop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The worse case than banning is that, I actually hate the adsense review process. They review id by robots, and it let users to register again and again and got kicked out because their second id may be related to the first one...
The lame story i have is, google banned my first one, I didn't care cuz it worths only cents. Then i got the second one, which earned even more money than the first one,(3 days for 100 dollars? By referral earnings) then they shut the second one down. And then I start my innocence pleading, cuz for god's sake, I didn't even have to use fraud-click, i just gathered a mass of friends who would download google's products all over the college......But that wastes a lot of time of waiting until they say, okay, we think you are innocent.
Come on......who would cheat for cents? Only bots reason like that. - martin22, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Im very sorry google adsense bannd you 2 times in a row ttdeveloper. This is happening alot. People are loosing there fortunes because of googles. I herd somthing very big as just happend to a big company online who tested google adsense and put up millions in pay per click. OMG google adsense band them. Theres gona be a fight in the future and theres talk of it going public on the news channles to worn otheres.
The worning over all to anyone is simple dont invest your money in pay per click advertizing. Googles at any time can bann and blame you at any time with out giving evidance. This is wrong. But there doing it.
Anyone in the world can scroow you by clicking your google ads repeatedly.
Comptertision other adsense users are taking there compertision down like this.
Googles will blame you and give all your cash to away to other people. Ok thats the truth.
now is this right i ask you. - gy66443, on 11/29/2008, -0/+0Adsense Big is my favourite, Click Here =>> http://jkreview.info/adsensebig.html
- martin22, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Why does big google.com not protect us against invalid clicks. after all revenuepilot protects us and most otheres. Its a fact almost every business gets invalid click. Any website that gets regula visiters is under even more danger of being band by google.com. Once a person comes to your site clicks your ads regulaly your doomed and belive me people do that.
Google.com could easly protect us all by not simply not paying us for invalid clicks. They could pay us for the thousends we spend in advertizing to get the good clicks right??. but no they bann us and pay us nothing. and everyone is vunrable. - bedakdeo, on 08/03/2008, -0/+0hi;
i think google still count a frequency of clik in minute with the same ip adress... and it's imposible for have alot of click for the same ip....
but you can blast your earning with promote to a hundred website and search engine.....
you can find in this web.....
http://www.best-adsense.com/
wit a little spen of money of course..... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -19/+12there IS an appeal process, If you manage to convince google that it wasnt fraud they will re-open your account, BUT its YOU that has got to gather the evidence and convince google.
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http://www.playpacman.net - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+5knowing Google, they'll figure out a way to stop this botnet b4 it gets big.
- jmichaelg, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2No digg.The article is an ad for a malware scanner.
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