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- bixby1, on 04/06/2009, -4/+60Great baguettes, terrible internet laws.
- missjb, on 04/06/2009, -4/+40way to spearhead a bunch of *****, france, I'm sure this will pan out for you
- Tarnum, on 04/07/2009, -2/+303 "warnings"? By whom?
What about burden of proof, innocent until proven guilty? - mikeinto, on 04/07/2009, -4/+32Why didn't the French fight the Nazis like they're fighting copyright piracy? I was expecting them to surrender to the internet pirates.
- deathfix, on 04/07/2009, -6/+31This law is le stupid.
- Spaztiq, on 04/07/2009, -1/+23They are in a way doing the same thing. Instead of surrendering to the Nazi's, they're surrendering to the media industry.
- SummerofGeorge, on 04/07/2009, -4/+23so France surrendered, what else is new?
- waningdelusion, on 04/07/2009, -2/+14Or let the artist decide whether she wants to use the services of a 3rd party and collect payment through that party instead of from the consumer, instead of having to deal with advertising and promotion that may be out of her expertise or interests.
- theaceoffire, on 04/07/2009, -0/+12Punished without evidence is bad.
If you are *Accused* twice, you are punished... not if you are guilty. - IADTatami, on 04/07/2009, -1/+12You think the people of France wanted this law? Any more than the people of America wanted the DMCA, or the people of Switzerland want IPRED?
The people aren't in charge of their own governments any more. Supernational corporations are, and the tiny handful of incomprehensibly wealthy elites who constitute their upper management.
Forget France: ***** you, Disney. ***** you, Vivendi. ***** you, News Corporation. - malanic, on 04/07/2009, -6/+17I'd be concerned with how they'd gather proof, and what recourse you'd have if falsely accused, however;
The principal that you shouldn't take an artist/investor's product, without reimbursement, is morally just. Anyone who relies on their skills and talents to put food on the table should agree. Anyone who expects a free ride in life, off the backs of others, probably wouldn't. - redwire, on 04/07/2009, -0/+10Actually it is. Read up on it.
Anyone can be a copyright holder not just corporations, anyone can file a complaint all you have to do is fill out 2 forms.
Burden of proof in this brilliantly constructed law like so many similar ones is on the defendant not the accuser. - mikeinto, on 04/07/2009, -0/+10good point!
- blueduck4ever, on 04/07/2009, -2/+11hope this doesn't catch on
- Peck3277, on 04/07/2009, -0/+8LE *****!
- Red989, on 04/07/2009, -4/+11Hopefully this doesn't spread to any other countries.
- Langford, on 04/07/2009, -3/+10Somehow I can't help but hope that one or more of the officials who voted for it, is accused of piracy 3 times and has their connection turned off?
- WoollyMittens, on 04/07/2009, -0/+7Expanding corporate power into the government and legal system is a right-wing ideal, you wingnut idiot, not a liberal one.
- thelastcivilian, on 04/07/2009, -5/+12***** FRANCE.
- Travelsonic, on 04/07/2009, -0/+7Ha, your grammar sucks.
- redwire, on 04/07/2009, -2/+9I was thinking it may have something to do with the fact that I could accuse you of downloading my fart noises mp3 twice and then you have to pay for a new internet connection if you can get one at all.
On the other hand I like how the french deal with these things, I expect a lot of citizens to accuse ministers of downloading their copyrighted works.
Hopefully in the a couple of months nobody even vaguely related to the government will be allowed neat the net and they will rethink whose side they are on. - Phyltre, on 04/07/2009, -0/+7Expecting people to live without the internet is like asking them to live without a car in the US--in most situations, it will be impossible. We don't have one-strike speeding laws for a reason; namely, they would destroy society in all but the most urban situations. Also, the idea of one-strike anything for a nonviolent crime is borderline criminal in itself, but that's clearly a distinction many are unable to make.
- phoomp, on 04/07/2009, -0/+7@ragingflamerboy
You'd have an excellent point, *IF* the recording industry wasn't leveling piracy accusations at grandmas without internet connections, children who can't type and dead people. - WoollyMittens, on 04/07/2009, -0/+6Just read that goddamn law for yourself you idiot. It's explained how it works. You ARE kicked off the internet upon several accusations by the French record companies.
There is no judge involved at all in the process.
There is no proof required. You have no recourse unless you run government mandated spyware. - TheXboxReview, on 04/07/2009, -5/+11Wow, what a bunch of tools.
- leexy, on 04/07/2009, -0/+6The vote took place late at night after many days of back and forth.
Note how searches for anonymity tools boomed in the last weeks.
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=i2p%2Ctor ... 12-m&cmpt=q
I observed the same trend in Sweden where IPRED went into effect last week. - srujanlive, on 04/07/2009, -1/+7Lets see how many connections the ISPs would be willing to cut until they shut down because of few users remaining.
- CannedMango, on 04/07/2009, -0/+6Now if they decide they want to cut off someone's internet or shut down anti-government bloggers, they just need to claim that this law was enacted and it's all squeaky clean.
- PityDaFool, on 04/07/2009, -1/+7Huh. I was just thinking France hasn't done anything to annoy me in a while... They never fail to disappoint.
- Ne007, on 04/07/2009, -0/+6Learn how to pirate it and get free total anonymous internet access:
http://www.tcniso.net/
http://www.cablehack.net/index.html
http://www.theoryshare.com/forums
Plus here's an easy way to get free internet:
drive your car to a housing complex and you can find multiple open networks. Download and upload anything you want and it will never be traced to you ever.
These are the sorts of things that laws like this encourage and make necessary.. - pkon, on 04/07/2009, -0/+63 strikes. On your third strike you get the boot.
- mason092, on 04/07/2009, -0/+5No.
The first time you get to keep your internet.
The second time you get to keep your internet.
After the second time, or the third time, they shut your internet off. - Phoenix99, on 04/07/2009, -8/+13Let me pay the artist directly and I believe we'll find the trade fair and profitable for both parties.
- Travelsonic, on 04/07/2009, -1/+6The problem with tis type of law is the evidence - given how easy innocent people can get scooped up into this hunt,.
- inactive, on 04/07/2009, -0/+5after the second time, it's the third.
- poprocksandsoda, on 04/07/2009, -4/+9I think this may be unfair to people who haven't broken the law and illegally downloaded copyrighted movies and music. I wonder what the burden of proof is? I doubt it's good enough to warrant such action. However, if they have undeniable proof I think 1 strike is enough.
- mogwaiinjustice, on 04/07/2009, -2/+7I can see how non-internet savvy people would think this makes sense. But in practice it just means some old grandmother who doesn't know how to put a password on her wireless is gonna get it while the much more tech conscious pirates are just gonna find ways around being caught.
And another thing, more and more high speed internet is being considered more a utility then a privilege. If this is the case isn't it unjust to cut off ones internet. - phoomp, on 04/07/2009, -1/+6Except, the recording industry doesn't have a very good track record of accusing people who actually committed these crimes.
- Samboni10, on 04/07/2009, -9/+14***** you france
- inactive, on 04/07/2009, -0/+5so, how hard would it be to get everyone who voted for this law accused of piracy? let them swim in the ***** they made...
- IADTatami, on 04/07/2009, -0/+4Sweden, I mean.
Sadly, not the first time I've confused the two. :\ - Matt2k, on 04/07/2009, -0/+4> drive your car to a housing complex and you can find multiple open networks. Download and upload anything you want and it will never be traced to you ever.
All that for some songs and a movie, are you for real? - WoollyMittens, on 04/07/2009, -0/+4It will. It was part of that international copyright treaty that was signed by most countries a while back. This is the ultimate attempt to impose a business model by law.
Please stop buying music from these fascists. - phoomp, on 04/07/2009, -0/+4Given the "proof" that's been used to date to accuse and bring a person to court, I suspect the "burden" will be light.
Guess we'll be seeing grandmas, children and dead people losing their Internet connections. - inactive, on 04/07/2009, -0/+4roffle
- kaminariko, on 04/07/2009, -0/+4Every time I've heard this suggested in the past regarding different EU countries, the basis for a warning was simply a complaint to the ISP from virtually anyone willing to fill out the form.
I bet there could be money in providing alternative Internet service to people who have been cut off...for a price.
Maybe there could even be probationary ISP's, halfway house ISP's, community service ISP's, group counseling for the disenfranchised, Internet "Surfer's Ed." programs for the first warning, etc.
This could be big business. - Wargasmic, on 04/07/2009, -1/+5It's an anti-piracy witch hunt now.
- P5ycHo, on 04/07/2009, -0/+4HAHAHAHAHAHA
And now it will be very funny to see these fools expecting the music sales to rise.
I am going to enjoy this. It will prove how wrong they are thinking.
1 download does not equal 1 sale. - protogenxl, on 04/07/2009, -1/+5I wonder how many French Deputies and Senators have an unsecured wireless routers in their home. Because only when the law personally affects them they will fix it.
- sockpuppets, on 04/07/2009, -2/+6So hack into your neighbor's router?
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