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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25So what? If "Net Neutrality" is best left up to the market, then I guess "privacy" is best left to the market.
In fact, illegal or unethical or immoral acts by corporations should be completely accepted and allowed without punishment. After all, if what they do is so evil or wrong or damaging, then the consumers who are obviously "so educated" will simply stop doing business with them and they'll change their ways? Right?.... Right?
*eyeroll* - Casedot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13but with good reason; everyone is retarded...
- molecool, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Am I the only one who feels uncomfortable with the notion that my personal data is unconditionally OWNED by these corporations? Their reasoning: well, after waiting 30 years for the right timing (i.e. a corrupt administration) we have merged back into the monopoly that was originally broken up into smaller companies to protect consumers (PacBells, Verizon and AT&T). To that end we now do whatever we want with the personal data of our customers (sell to spammers, give it to the government - maybe even foreign ones).
This is so ***** - PLEASE PLEASE people vote in the November mid-term elections!! If we give the reps another two years of dominance things are just going to get worse and worse (not that I'm a big fan of the dems, but we're talking the lesser of two evils here). - RexKwando, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13We only wish!
Most people are still unwilling to unplug from the Matrix of their perfect little world. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Man. . . AT&T really sucks. They are leading the movement against Net Neutrality, and this on top of it? Not even the Microsoft Monopoly is this bad.
- variety567, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Those of us who are smart enough have to look out for those who aren't. Do you really think everybody understands what AT&T is doing? You are wrong. The average Joe Schmo is barely above the moron range of IQ and will just go along with agreements like this because they don't know any better and because they are getting a better price. No one should be tricked into giving up the right to their own privacy.
- Casedot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12"While your Account Information may be personal to you, these records constitute business records that are owned by AT&T. As such, AT&T may disclose such records to protect its legitimate business interests, safeguard others, or respond to legal process. Specifically, AT&T provides Account Information to collection agencies and/or credit bureaus. We may disclose your information in response to subpoenas, court orders, or other legal process, or to establish or exercise our legal rights or defend against legal claims. We may also use your information in order to investigate, prevent, or take action regarding illegal activities, suspected fraud, situations involving potential threats to the physical safety of any person, violations of Service Terms or the Acceptable Use Policy, or as otherwise required or permitted by law."
***** ***** AT&T! - proton, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I let the Market do all my decision-making.
- bobbybobington, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8most people don't even know what an isp is, they just get internet. just look at all the AOL zombies.
- Muddle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I've got three options where I live. SBC now AT&T DSL, Cable which terminates at SBC now AT&T or any wireless which terminates at SBC now AT&T.
What option do I have. I've considered Qwest, however they don't provide service here and are surrounded by AT&T anyway. Our congress critters need to rip them apart again. - variety567, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6AT&T is trying to make it legal to trick their customers into giving up their right to privacy in regard to their account information which includes such things as; name, address, telephone number, social security number, birth date, marital status, and credit record. Meaning they could legally sell any of this information for marketing purposes. Ever wanted more telemarketing calls? Of course not. Ever wanted more spam in your email? Of course not. In this agreement it could be argued that since the telephone number (as owned and provided by AT&T) could be tapped legally at any time for any reason without need of warrant or just cause. The way that paragraph is layed out it would be very easy to stretch the boundaries of what they own and are allowed to do at a later date as well. This should not stand.
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"whether the company's practices are standard or sinister, legal experts said this week."
Is _and_ an option? - lunk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I think Muddle has the best point here. As the US government moves more and more towards bigger and bigger businesses, the monopolies creep back in, and there is limited choice. This is what makes AT&T's new policies frightening.
I see Seuma's sarcasm, but it's hard to tell sarcasm from the truth in this case. If there is no choice in ISPs, or less and less choice, the ISPs do what they please, PERIOD.
Which is why I am not against Google becoming an ISP. They are much less draconian, and much more open than the big Telcos. Mind you, outside of the Evil Empire, I think there are still some securities and freedoms to be had. Sadly, it seems the world wants to imitate the US, even as it is jumping off the cliffs of madness :( - aliengoods, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Muddle
Would you stop whining when someone uses the word 'retarded'. From the posts I've read I haven't been able to infer any malice towards people with diminished capacity. They are using that word to describe those they feel are ignorant, naive, or just plain stupid. This is common in the US, and while the practice may not be the most socially acceptable form to convey a message, it is a message which is understood (by most people).
Thinking otherwise is just plain retarded.
(couldn't help myself) - LordofChaosIori, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3AAGGHH Noo! I have AT&T... :(
Stupid corporate America. Watch... I'm probably gonna get a letter in the mail that they now own my bank account info and therefore all the money in such account and own my legal documents and also my life, and have decided to terminate me indefinitely.
Small print must die. - bugsy187, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3We're so free we let the market make our decisions... and we get the shaft pretty often.
- molecool, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2please elaborate - because the recent flurry of SEC sanctioned mergers happened during the Bush years...
- Muddle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The only option you currently have is pay in cash and tell them to go ***** themselves when they ask you for any other information.
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1variety567: you must be new here... scratch that, new to the internet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm - Muddle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2What I find realy offensive is how the majority can take an offensive act and attempt to shift blame for this act to persons of diminished capacity.
I'm not free of this offense, as I've called my fair share of congress critters legally ignorant, stupid, dumb, blind, and worse. Most of them need to be commited to old folks homes, where they can no longer be a danger to themselves or others. - Muddle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1To the best of my knowledge, I've never signed an agreement to use any personnel data of mine by anyone.
AT&T has never had my signature on anything other than a monthly check. I've never physically signed any contract with them. This BS regarding changing privacy policy after someone has verbally agreed to it has got to stop or I'm going to have to demand that a representative visit my front door after visiting my lawyer and sign a piece of stone with a chisel and some DNA. - SoulCast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In effect, AT&T has just claimed that their Privacy Policy is not really having one.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Encryption works. Secret agencies aside, there is no case where a Skype message was cracked and used as evidence in a criminal case.
Even if the NSA has the ability to crack any encryption in use today, such cracking isn't free, and could only be applied to a small fraction of traffic. Encrypting the bulk of Internet traffic will keep the spooks out. - dbldwn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The mergers of the baby bells back into larger, more monopolistic entities occured while which corrupt administration had control of the relevant regulatory bodies? I'll give you a hint. It wasn't the current one, and it wasn't Republican.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Resistance is futile.
- darkwurm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I really can't say how much data these days is actually private. There are so many points where any packet of your data can be recorded for later use, that said Internet privacy is really a joke. It might feel anonymous, but it has never really been that way. If you think encrypting your e-mail or using anonymous proxies, or any other such measures will actually prevent the government or your provider for that matter from knowing what your doing, your naive. To be honest if you can't get comfortable with the idea that somewhere out there someone knows what your doing on the net, then frankly stop using the net.
I'll say this for AT&T at least they are telling you they are going to use your data, which is better than hiding it outright, frankly all of them probably do. I would guess its more to cover their ass in case any of their customers find out they have been using their data, you know to avoid lawsuits and such. I'm sure its been their policy to keep/use data in this manner since day one. - Muddle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Speaking for someone who actually spends most of their day transporting a person of diminished capacity around town I'd like a little respect from you born normals.
E does not equal MC2 and never has. - Giever, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2@ variety567: Actually I think the average Joe Schmoe has an IQ of 100 =P
- John1947, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0While your Account Information may be personal to you, these records constitute business records that are owned by AT&T. As such, AT&T may disclose such records to protect its legitimate business interests, safeguard others, or respond to legal process. Specifically, AT&T provides Account Information to collection agencies and/or credit bureaus. We may disclose your information in response to subpoenas, court orders, or other legal process, or to establish or exercise our legal rights or defend against legal claims. We may also use your information in order to investigate, prevent, or take action regarding illegal activities, suspected fraud, situations involving potential threats to the physical safety of any person, violations of Service Terms or the Acceptable Use Policy, or as otherwise required or permitted by law."
***** ***** AT&T!
What he said. - Muddle, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0No, we don't!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3you guys hate everyone
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