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- Smokersroom, on 10/11/2007, -1/+61America: Home of the Free*
*We will monitor your every ***** move, sunshine... - Erfman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+23Have you ever been spied on while surfing the net?
Have you ever had your phone calls logged and listened to?
You will.
And the company that will bring it to you: AT&T. - spideysensor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+22As a consumer with half a brain (give or take) I've long since accepted AT&T is full of s*** - but "AT&T is fully committed to protecting our customers' privacy" - give me a BREAK.
- zachblume, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18iPhone, baby!
I bet they'll even beam your music choices to the NSA. - mrswirl, on 10/11/2007, -0/+17Everyone should watch this PBS Frontline episode.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/view/
/opens eyes - whofarted, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Let's not forget the AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein. We need more people like Mark Klien in our society.
Cheers to Mark Klein! - daFilms, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12Agreed
From the show...
"So many people in America think this does not affect them. They've been convinced that these programs are only targeted at suspected terrorists. … I think that's wrong. … Our programs are not perfect, and it is inevitable that totally innocent Americans are going to be affected by these programs," former CIA Assistant General Counsel Suzanne Spaulding tells FRONTLINE correspondent Hedrick Smith in 'Spying on the Home Front' - Bedeo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10"The government argues that the case must be thrown out since it involves national security matters, while AT&T says it can't defend itself without spilling classified information. Federal district court Judge Vaughn Walker ruled last July that the case could proceed, because President Bush has admitted the existence of the NSA's warrantless wiretapping of Americans' overseas communications."
I think that this is a positive step; the fact that the judicial branch of the government is willing to step up and say "That's enough, Bushie." is a sign that then is not -quite- nigh.
The EFF, and Wired News, should definetly be supported and applauded for pursuing this. - p0und, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9cingular is at&t, so yes
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+14I'll break it down for you Americanos so that even you Bush loving maggots can understand. Until there's a political party that represents the people instead of corporations you will continue to get more of the same *****. Both republican and democratic representatives have been bought out. No one in the government is on your side so AT&T will not be punished in a meaningful way.
Now go back to making fun of France and other countries where citizens are better off than Americans. - theNazz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8There has been data stolen from every department in the US Government so why shouldn't we trust the pricks?
- KibibyteBrain, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7@geekee 1) Violate privacy laws with spyware like technology 2) Say we are doing it to help the government 3) ??? 4) Profit!!!
Simple as that. They have much more to gain that the tons of spyware companies out there. And we all know how prolific they are... - whofarted, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7"Corporations do not run America"
Yeah, right.
Many of the higher ups and board members of a lot of these corporations are former higher ups in the gov't.
Many of the higher ups in the gov't are former higher ups and ex-board members of these corporations.
Dick Cheney, VP of the US, former CEO Halliburton
Donald Rumsfeld, former Defense Secretary of the US, former CEO and President and then Chairman of G.D. Searle & Co. (a worldwide pharmaceutical company)
The list goes on and on and on and it is not just limited to Republicans. They just happen to be the current group in power. - seeversjm, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8First Cingular Now This?!?
- williamdyer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Not to mention the fact that notorious mobster Whitey Bulger owned a few FBI dudes in the Boston FBI office. Just the sort of people you should trust to spy on you benignly.
- DarkPrincess74, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Even better I don't have to sign up for the service it comes by just living in the country. yay!
/sarcasm - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4See everyone that doesn't live in the usa what your missing out on?? Our country is so great, (they told us, so it must be true) unlike those freedom less countries like, umm canada! We should build a border fence so people from canada cant come over and ruin our freedom of monitored speech!, go usa!
- polyGone, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Of course, and anyone listening to Immortal Technique will not fly on a plane any time soon.
- UnstableMind, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3People have to remember that there are some nut jobs in some of these "security" related positions that love power and control and will convince their superiors that these things are necessary for the safety of the population. I worked as an engineer for an ex DOD contractor and that guy was ***** nuts. He wanted access to every IT persons e-mail and ran all sorts of behind the scenes utilities and appliances to monitor what we were doing at any-time. We all got smart and put a shorewall VM on our boxes that wouldn't let ANYTHING in. My point is the people in charge of organizations like the FBI, NSA, CIA, etc... are security control nuts and this phone surveillance was probably right up their alley. I don't think our reps and senators will blatantly spy on our own, but their lack of knowledge does contribute to "the peoples" erosion of civil liberties. Our government is never and will never be as good as a private company when it comes to efficiency. The atmosphere in a government organization is more careless and people there just do the minimum and get by. Not saying all, just generally speaking.
- NormalVisual, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3geekee - What does AT&T have to gain by spying? Well, it might be handy for the government to owe you a favor if you had a ridiculously large merger with another Baby Bell that you wanted to complete without those pesky anti-trust trolls nipping at your heels, or you were wanting to avoid any equally pesky net neutrality legislation, or anything else that remotely smelled of regulation on the business that you built largely on the backs of taxpayers to begin with.
When you're a monopoly in a lot of areas, and a near-monopoly everywhere else, what your customers think of you doesn't really factor into things. - polyGone, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Wow, someone seeing through the dichotomy! Beautiful. Now, if you could just get that point across, to the other 299 million of us.
- montereybay, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5To manny secrets..................
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These are hard to find 23 files from the US government pertaining to US Domestic Spying All Public Docs
The more you read you will find pretty disturbing info....But this only matters to people who care about US civil liberties. Just remember the rights you give up now are the rights your children will lose.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KERSZIIG
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AT&T’s Implementation of NSA Spying on American Citizens 31 December 2005 att_klein_wired.pdf
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NSA chief LG Michael V. Hayden "statement for the record before the senate select committee on intelligence"
17 OCTOBER 2002 - original not the redacted one....
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TRANSCRIPT OF REMARKS BY ATTORNEY GENERAL ALBERTO R. GONZALES AT THE 'INNOCENCE LOST' INITIATIVE PRESS CONFERENCE
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Transcript of AG Interview on Early Show with Rene Syler (CBS):
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4 emails
From: David.Kris@timewarner.com To: Elwood, Courtney
Email - Time Warner Inc Excs talking about Government surveillance and Time Warner
most intresting.......a must read
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TRANSCRIPT OF ATTORNEY GENERAL ALBERTO R. GONZALES AND HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY MICHAEL CHERTOFF PRESS BRIEFING ON NEED FOR SENATE TO
REAUTHORIZE THE USA PATRIOT ACT
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U.S. Department of Justice Office of Legislative Affairs to Chairmen Roberts and Hoekstra, Vice Chairman Rockefeller, and Ranking Member Harman - Full trans......
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email
Matthew_T._McDonald@who.eop.gov to Goodling, Monica
about Attorney General Alberto Gonzales On CNN's "Larry King Live"
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letter
Office of the Attorney General - to The Honorable William H. Frist Majority Leader
Washington, D.C. January 19, 2006
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TRANSCRIPT OF CONFERENCE CALL WITH STEVEN G. BRADBURY ON
RELEASE OF DETAILED LEGAL ANALYSIS OF THE NSA ACTIVITIES
DESCRIBED BY THE PRESIDENT
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PREPARED REMARKS FOR
ATTORNEY GENERAL ALBERTO R. GONZALES
AT THE GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY LAW CENTER
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Department of Justice
THE NSA PROGRAM TO DETECT AND PREVENT TERRORIST ATTACKS
MYTH V. REALITY - NeoCon PR
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RESPONSES TO QUESTIONS FROM CHAIRMAN SPECTER from William E. Moschella Assistant Attorney General
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to The Honorable Dianne Feinstein Committee on the Judiciary United States Senate Washington, D.C. 20510
from William E. Moschella Assistant Attorney General.
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Transcript of Attorney General Interview on CNN's "American Morning" with Soledad O'Brien
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Transcript of Attorney General Interview on Fox News' "Fox and Friends" with Steve Doocy - obliviousfool, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Hey, all the telcos seem to be complying with the NSA. The only reason we're discussing AT&T is because of these documents. Don't give Verizon and BellSouth a free pass.
- rejoined, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I'm not going to lie, I haven't seen them. :(
- polyGone, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Because they tell us to.
/sarcasm - LethalAmbition, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3I hope Norton release a new security suite that guarantees my security soon.
/sarcasm. - rejoined, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3@erfman:
That was good. You should write catchy ad lines on the side.
Now if only there was a Mastercard style also in here. - goffy59, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2thanks to bill Clinton and bush. Then again Clinton is a hell of a better president then bush, even if he sold secrets to china..... bush murders thousands of people. I'm not so worried about countries having nukes, if one country nukes the other, everyone is screwed. Its a lose lose situation. Plus bush destroyed privacy. Do you like people watching you when you take a piss or jack off to porn? I mention Clinton because he started the domestic spying, bush just made it public and said it was OK. ***** bush.
- geekee, on 10/11/2007, -10/+3Your comment makes no sense. What does AT&T have to gain from spying on you. It costs money and it's bad pr. Corporations do not run America. They only get what they want from the govt. when Americans don't care or are uninformed.
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