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- philippbock, on 10/10/2007, -1/+20How long will it take them to realise that DRM is not a good idea and that there will always be ways to bypass it, legal or not?
- juicebag, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19Tentacle Rape Time!
- Senn, on 10/10/2007, -2/+18I flat out refuse to pay for any software or media that includes or supports DRM. Fortunately in the software world I have that choice... but with this ***** being built into hardware these days, how long can I avoid it for?
- NerdyNinja, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17Doesn't this kind of enforced secrecy keep little companies from competing with big companies? If the article is accurate, AACS wont give out the encryption keys to just anybody (they're disregarding all of linux, for instance) so what happens if a small company is trying to enter the next generation disc playback market and AACS refuses to give them a license?
- FyreFiend, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15About two hours after the heat death of the universe, unfortunately.
- frsrblch, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11The problem is that the average person doesn't know about any of this, doesn't care, and probably thinks that stuff like this actually stops the 'bad people' from stealing. Until the mainstream figures out how the only outcomes of DRM technology are inconvenience, and tighter corporate control of our property, we can expect more and more drastic moves in this direction.
- nullcodes, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10It's sad that we are buying things today that actually contain mechanisms to restrict what we choose to do with them. Theft has been illegal for millenia, so I really wish the world would not have these new anti liberty laws that don't allow circumvention of DRM mechanisms.
- foxingworth, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9They've done a great job so far... Is there any HD-DVD/Blu-ray available that hasn't been ripped to x264 yet?
- AXNJAXN, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7This headline makes me think of some weird sci-fi flick where the resistance fighters all have ubuntu tattoos.
- straxus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7That's what the heat death of the universe is, my friend. When entropy consumes all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe - dogstar0125, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I'm going to avoid it forever. I'm not going to buy any media that requires it. I'll never buy DRM'd music or video, and I'll never buy an HD DVD unless there's a good way around this. It's not like any of this is a "must have".
- WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Then they're boned. That's the whole reason China is coming out with their own HD video standard. Personally, I'd support that standard before BluRay or HD-DVD in a heartbeat...
- fuzzmeister, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I buy it, but only if I can crack it :->
- HonoredMule, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I'm not sure how the second argument applies. Last I checked, there were torrents available for anything I could find on local or online media store's shelves, not to mention all the stuff no one's bothering to re-monetize (yet). I hate DRM with a passion out of principle (not so much personal bad experiences, because I've never let it in my house), but I've never worried for a second that it might impact the "free" (as in pirated) market, and I'll always be able to get my media on MY terms to use as I see fit.
- abandonedhero, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4That was helpful.
- FiP0, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5DRMs ? In my operating system ?
- Ub3rg33k, on 10/10/2007, -7/+10I wonder what the Apple community will say/do when they realize that their man Steve is about to shaft them just as hard with all of DRM BS (if not worse) than Windows users received.
- rzurad, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3It's more likely then you'd think.
- HonoredMule, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3In this case I'd say it's not an intentional side effect, but yes, DRM and AACS especially create high "natural" barriers to market entry through the cost of licensing and DRM development, not to mention the difficulty trying to sell a product that pisses off its consumers.
- cplkai, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I think the issue is that there are two standings to the Anti-DRM brigade.
One side is anti-DRM.. they simply want to be able to use their purchased media how they want.
The other side, is anti-paying-for-things. They use DRM as a scapegoat when really, it's the fact that they just don't give a ***** about paying for things, and by blaming it on DRM, it allows them to take the moral highground and justify it to themselves.
Face it, you can buy a DVD and rip it to your computer just fine, but how many people still download movies just because they don't have to pay for them? I think that DRM's restrictions will either loosen up or be removed, once the latter group of people becomes the former, more and more. - Mothrog, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Well, DVD still looks pretty reasonable, even on my 90" screen from my projector. So, the idiotic movie studios can keep their stupid little high def discs while they still want to punish me, the legitimate buyer of the media, for the actions of others that their silly DRM doesn't do anything to stop. I can't wait to watch both these formats flop.
- Egoist, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4You have to realize that in the corporate world, common sense can't always be applied. They have shareholders to please and if those shareholders think that the corporation is neglecting to protect is assets, the lawsuits will come flying. It's more than convincing a few executives -- it requires convincing the thousands of people who own those companies.
- vagarach, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Dude.....go to your power saving settings, and tell it to not turn your disc off if it is inactive. First learn how to use your OS then come and whine.
- superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3There is a big difference though between what you can realistically get from VOD and what's on Blu-Ray. There's a difference in quality of video, audio, and in content.
I think VOD will win out for TV viewing, but for movies physical discs will still be in demand for quite some time until basically everyone in the US has fiber to the curb (and even then only if all that fiber doesn't have too much of a choke point upstream). - HappyScrappy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Like VOD doesn't have DRM up the yin-yang.
Despite AACS and BD+, I can loan my BluRays to my friends. And I do. You can't even watch your VOD on your other TV upstairs. - xino, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I never knew that about China getting their own HD video standard. Where can I get more info about this?
- lowerlogic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Every once in a while I daydream about a future where the limitations of DRM are as wide known as heavy drinking and driving is a bad combination.
- dalittle, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2There are usually hardware alternatives running linux. Just look for them.
- Arkonnan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Glitter.
- hotsake, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Dugg for the tentacles metaphor. At the same time, I care and I don't care about this issue. I care because nobody should be restricted by DRM to do whatever they please with media they purchase. I understand why this is now an issue, but it's still outlandish that these companies are trying to control us. People were copying cassette tapes with A and B decks in the 80s. Hell, I did that myself. We all did.
And then I don't care about this because I don't intend to purchase a hi-def TV or monitor, or a next-gen media player. I'm not affected in the least, as I have all the tools necessary to back up my A/V media. DVDs aren't going anywhere for a long time, especially with large retailers, Netflix, and Blockbuster in place. - jedikv, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2FROM YOUZ
- nigh7dagger, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I thought it said testicles at first. It's kinda true though; the RIAA/MPAA are teabagging America right now.
- geoken, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I wish the widespread rebuttals of Gutmann were even 1/10 as popular as the original whitepaper, which was written by essentially reading about Vista's features, then making huge assumptions on how those features were implemented without ever touching a computer running Vista.
- Rcdriver, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2AnyDVD.
- LANjackal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2http://slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=36818
- Reno582, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Piracy is NOT a solution to DRM, just as, DRM is NOT a solution for Piracy.
- WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You are mistaken. iDVD makes DVDs with no copy protection. iTunes Fairplay DRM was the answer you were looking for...
- Senn, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I have absolutely no gripe with paying for content. I buy CDs without DRM, I buy games (while avoiding the ones with system-hogging DRM), and I WOULD buy commercial DVDs if they were DRM-free, and I could be sure that my money isn't going to the supporters of DRM.
- HonoredMule, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1But then you're still supporting it with your consumer dollars, and perpetuating the problem into future generations of technology and content.
- Sdiggmatism, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1In Russia, shows watch you!
- akarpo, on 10/10/2007, -2/+31080p .MKV for the win.
- superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1We await to see what happens, with cautious optimism. We still don't know what Blu-Ray support for movies might look like yet, or if it will require a protected path (though in that respect it seems sadly unlikely it would not be required). Or perhaps Jobs will just say that Blu-Ray on macs is Data only and the studios can go play with themselves until they grow up and drop the need for protected playback in the operating system.
Personally if I were jobs I'd bring in a laptop stuff with the latest HD releases and say that he can get those for free and play them with no protected video path, and he's certainly willing to let consumers go that route if they wish. - Guspaz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I've said it before, I'll say it again. You DRM your content, I'm going to pirate it, because I have no incentive to buy it.
On content I feel really strongly about (such as Serenity), I bought the DVD and downloaded a decrypted copy of the HDDVD.
Since decrypted copies of movies are available in the global BitTorrent swarm, I don't worry that much about DRM. It doesn't affect me, because I download DRM-free copies to avoid it. - DTJunkie07, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I think your scenario will be a 100% step backward from where we are now in terms of avalibility, quality, and practicality all for that one step forward for the convieneince of not having to get off your ass and go to a blockbuster/wallmart.
- Visnik, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0sorry, DMCR + DMCA, typo Sorry
- WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3Considering the lack of low-level OS lockdown in Mac OS X, and how little effort they've put into strengthening their own Fairplay DRM system, it would seem that they're not exactly going to bend over backwards to lock the user out of their own OS as MS has done in Vista. On Macs, the user has access to the root account, and can muck around in kernel space to their heart's content. It would be a pretty big change for them to lock the user out of the root account and prevent them from accessing kernel space, as MS has done, just for a DRM system that will most-likely be circumvented regardless. The way I could see them handling this would be through virtualization, having a secure runtime tucked away in an integrity-checked disk image, which would possibly allow them to meet AACS's base requirements while avoiding locking down the rest of their OS. I guess if they do lock the user out of their own OS, then I will have to start learning to use Linux, as there's no way I'm running an operating system on my own computer that prevents me from accessing it.
- TremainDonavan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Every perfect life is a parable invented by God.
- roguetrick, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0A swing and a miss, of the point.
- Reno582, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Well, if im not mistaken doesn't the Mac OS include iDVD? That includes a form of DRM.
- nalf38, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Hell, I can barely get regular old DVDs to play on my brand new Lenovo laptop w/Vista. About five minutes into every movie, the hard drive would start spinning and DVD play would come to a halt.
If Vista worked, then I would have used it. Hello, Linux. -
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