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- PlasticHotDog, on 03/11/2010, -1/+78Why do computer crimes have such comparatively harsh penalties to virtually every other kind of crime?
- inactive, on 03/11/2010, -0/+54FTA: "Pornographic images of children are illegal to possess. This includes not just photographs of actual children, but also computer-generated pictures and drawings in which no real people are involved and photos of models who are of adult age but look like children"
Wait, a model who is over 18 but looks younger can get you in trouble for child porn? WTF kind of sense does that make? Not to mention how absurd it is that cartoons and CGI images can get someone arrested. - Gr00ver, on 03/11/2010, -2/+45Don't copy that floppy!
- radu79, on 03/11/2010, -0/+40The idea is not that child pornography is illegal, most people are aware of that. What makes many laws ***** up is what can be interpreted as child porn. There was a case just a few months ago where a soldier from Afghanistan was charged with CP for having some images of a 4yo relative in a bathing suit, images sent by the girl's mother.
And some guy who was charged with CP crap for manga. - Ralph23, on 03/11/2010, -7/+45Title of Article: "10 Ways You MIGHT Be Breaking the Law With Your Computer"
"9. Child Pornography Laws"
Really?... As if someone is reading this article, "Oh *****. That's illegal? Since ***** when!?" - appleofdischord, on 03/11/2010, -2/+38It should be less severe. When you pirate, the original owner maintains a copy. When you steal, they no longer have that property.
Relevant: http://bash.org/?104052 - sputnikv, on 03/11/2010, -0/+35if the riaa found my computer, i would be fined $∞
- TheEngineer2008, on 03/11/2010, -0/+33It's nice to see someone finally get the Internet poker and casino gaming legislation right. Not unsurprisingly, EFF has filed briefs alongside the PPA in the case where the Kentucky governor is trying to seize the Internet domain names of offshore online poker sites (for a civil forfeiture, no less, as the Commonwealth is not seeking any criminal prosecutions!):
FTA:
Like to play poker online or bet on the horse races from the comfort of your home? The federal Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 criminalizes acceptance of funds from bettors — but what about the bettors themselves? Are they committing a crime?
Under this federal law, the answer is no, but some state laws do apply to the person placing the bet. For example, a Washington law passed in 2006 makes gambling on the Internet a felony. The King County Superior Court just recently upheld that law, although challengers have vowed to take it to the Supreme Court. Be sure to check out the state and local laws before you make that friendly online bet. - tk0680, on 03/11/2010, -0/+32And who decides how old a model looks?
I swear to god, there's a legion of Helen Lovejoys somewhere, making this ***** up. - SkippyDoorknob, on 03/11/2010, -0/+30∞/12
- TheEngineer2008, on 03/11/2010, -1/+28"no one is going to intercept your emails unless your emails are suspicious in the first place"
Many laws get passed using this type of argument. Of course, such laws then grow greatly in scope. By then, it's too late to change the laws. IMO, we ought to address issues of liberty BEFORE passing laws, not after. - GregLoire, on 03/11/2010, -0/+25That was actually my exact reaction to the end part of this quote:
"Pornographic images of children are illegal to possess. This includes not just photographs of actual children, but also computer-generated pictures and drawings in which no real people are involved and photos of models who are of adult age but look like children. " - jguy584, on 03/11/2010, -0/+25"...and photos of models who are of adult age but look like children."
Wait, so you can be charged if you look at a picture of a girl who is over 18 but looks like she is younger? wtf? - inactive, on 03/11/2010, -0/+23I'm sorry, sir, you looked at a pic of Raven Riley, we have decided she looks under 18. Prison for you.
- diggerado, on 03/11/2010, -0/+23A dude in Australia was put in jail for nude pics of Lisa Simpson. I think that's pretty ***** gross, but what crime did he commit?
- kaelyiesta, on 03/11/2010, -1/+21Several reasons:
One obvious one is that law makers are entirely unaware of the crimes they are making laws for, instead they listen to lobbyists(as in the case of music piracy for example) to advise them on what to do.
Another is that at the time these laws were made, an even smaller part of the population had any stake in those laws. Everyone is capable of getting drunk and risking peoples lives by driving dangerously. So not the pull towards lower punishment will be damped(although offset somewhat by the fact that more people can be injured by such a crime, admittedly). But how many people have the opportunity in 2000 to pirate music? Mostly younger people, and certainly not the majority of older voters. So the influence ratio of voters to lobbyists shifts even more in favor of these industries.
I could go on, but you get the idea. It's a new arena for lawmakers to get their hands on, and they did so eagerly. - boyprodigy1, on 03/11/2010, -8/+25Piracy should be treated like steeling music out of the record store, which to my knowledge is about a $100 fine, depending on where you live.
- detox29, on 03/11/2010, -1/+17Or...
"This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down"
Oh the hours spent searing with such an error, I miss you Windows 98. - boyprodigy1, on 03/11/2010, -2/+18This is dig.
*10 ways you are breaking the law with your computer
Fixed it. - Y0tsuya, on 03/11/2010, -0/+14It's called thought crime. The government has found a loophole to jail citizens for it.
- tb0n3r, on 03/11/2010, -0/+14His crime was living in Australia, where Big Brother knows best.
- Ardeet, on 03/11/2010, -0/+14Because government knows that it's a long way behind the ever advancing skills of those it seeks to control. It is behaving like a parent who doesn't understand a child who has become more capable than themselves and feels that the only way to control them is to hit them harder.
- jamspt, on 03/11/2010, -0/+13Only 10 ways?
Amateur hour. - inactive, on 03/11/2010, -0/+12But there have been cases of people being put away for drawings and CGI images. Look, I find this crap as repulsive as the next guy, but a young looking model or a drawing aren't hurting anyone.
- 1packer, on 03/11/2010, -0/+11I think the main point of that section was how it was enforced. If you read the article they show several examples of people that got screwed even though they were never shown to have been looking at CP.
- reaper527, on 03/11/2010, -0/+11but if you did, 40 something songs would be multiple million dollars worth of damages (or at least thats what the riaa and the court system believe)
- friedjellyfish, on 03/11/2010, -0/+11Having laws that anyone can break, so that anyone can be put in prison when there's not enough evidence for what they're actually looking for, that's pretty much the definition of a police state.
- inactive, on 03/11/2010, -0/+10Wait...so the justification is that the law is that it can be used to hold people that they don't have enough evidence against? That doesn't seem quite right.
Again I'm not justifying this kind of behavior, I just want the laws about it to be reasonable. - tk0680, on 03/11/2010, -0/+10CHILDREN. THOUGHT OF.
- spongya77, on 03/11/2010, -0/+10So my scanned photos taken of me butt naked when I was 2 or 4 are illegal?
Nice. - tb0n3r, on 03/11/2010, -0/+10I live in Utah. I'm pretty sure I break about 30 State indecency laws every few days.
- paulvq, on 03/11/2010, -1/+11"I don't see how email can possibly be an invasion of privacy."
It's the same way that opening your mail is an invasion of privacy. The Fourth Amendment is there for a reason. - flashingcurser, on 03/11/2010, -1/+11@Crimeodial
Law enforcement has always used petty ***** to give themselves more time to investigate. If they don't have any evidence for the real crimes they'll pile on the petty crimes until they get the bad guy off of the street. Al Capone killed or had some else kill probably hundreds of people, he went to prison 12 years for tax evasion. Remember law enforcement doesn't write the laws, but they will use them selectively to their best advantage. If you don't want petty laws get better politicians. - friedjellyfish, on 03/11/2010, -0/+9There should be a law that for every two new laws that are made, one old one has to be abolished.
- inactive, on 03/11/2010, -0/+9How can you side with this law? In the example you gave, your friend was of age, and thus has the right to be filmed or photographed, why should someone like that go to prison or even be charged with a crime? It's insane.
Better safe than sorry is not a good legal precedent, that's how we end up with ***** like wiretapping and the patriot act. - GlintsCollide, on 03/11/2010, -0/+9Hopefully the we can keep our internet in the wild west state that it currently is. I wouldn't want it any other way.
- strictnein, on 03/11/2010, -0/+8A book somewhat on this subject:
Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1594032556/ - reaper527, on 03/11/2010, -0/+8"Meanwhile, be aware that even though you’ve done nothing illegal and are not even suspected of such, the entire contents of your portable computer, PDA, or smart phone can be accessed by government agents when you enter the Unites States. So if you have anything on your hard drive that could be embarrassing, you might want to delete it before crossing the border."
that sucks, but how is that one of "10 ways i might be breaking the law with my computer"?
also, on the ACTA thing, that isn't law yet, so no one is breaking it. - 5vegas, on 03/11/2010, -0/+8And how would an email be deemed suspicious? 'Plutonium dirty bomb plans' in the subject line?
- reaper527, on 03/11/2010, -0/+8its more like 8 ways you are breaking the law with your computers, because one of the "ways" just says border control has the right to search your laptop, and one of the others is something that isn't law yet (ACTA)
- allisonaxe, on 03/11/2010, -0/+8Most people I know have knowingly, intentionally done at least 7 of these, and I'm sure visits to 4chan can quickly put them 9 for 10. (Neither I, nor my friends, travel abroad very often, so the laptop search thing doesn't apply.) To be fair, most of them are related to circumventing drm or making copies of media, and one could easily break 4 of these entries in the span of a couple minutes.
- inactive, on 03/11/2010, -0/+7@flashing
Good example with Capone, with the difference being tax evasion is always a crime.
Touching on your bigger point, we seriously need politicians who will work to change these types of laws, but unfortunately, nobody will because it's political suicide. Imagine the campaign commercials? Some tries to pass a law saying that CGI images and drawings shouldn't count as illegal and all of a sudden "Candidate X supports pedophiles!" - diggerado, on 03/11/2010, -1/+8You're exactly right. A huge majority of people who download stuff would never have bought it anyway.
- inactive, on 03/11/2010, -0/+7dont even have to read the article to ask: "how am i not currently breaking the law with my computer?"
- flashingcurser, on 03/11/2010, -0/+7@fried
I like that. - matt_rubin, on 03/11/2010, -5/+12
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………………………………………………………’’~-‘’_ , , ,,’,_/--‘ - aychseven, on 03/11/2010, -2/+9so when you go to the library and make copies from a book, should you be treated like a thief as well?
- askantik, on 03/11/2010, -0/+710 ways I don't give a *****.
Okay, the child porn one is ***** up. FTA: "Pornographic images of children are illegal to possess. This includes not just photographs of actual children, but also computer-generated pictures and drawings in which no real people are involved and photos of models who are of adult age but look like children." wat??????????? - Ardeet, on 03/11/2010, -0/+6You want zero government control over the internet but then say that you do want them to filter all email servers for terrorism? This *is* government control.
Terrorism is just the current bogey-man and excuse for removing more freedoms. A little bit of government control is as nonsensical as a little bit pregnant.
What you're suggesting/condoning is that it's okay to take away freedoms providing that the "threat" (as defined by the government) warrants it. It's not a power that I want the government to have. - GregLoire, on 03/11/2010, -0/+6No more Asian porn for me.
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