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Adam Curry's shady Podshow contract exposed on Keith and the Girl podcast
shitecom.libsyn.com — An anonymous listener mailed the Podshow contract to Keith and the Girl's PO Box and they read it on the show. Take a listen to see how few rights you would have left if you signed. see also: www.keithandthegirl.com/forums/showthread.php?p=28947
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- UGM2099, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14particularly heinous: any logos affiliated with your show are now owned by Podshow.
Another important item owned by Podshow under this contract: all previously recorded shows (of which ownership will not be returned upon contract termination).- UGM2099, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10edit/note: to Podshow's credit, ownership WILL be returned if contract is terminated.
- DisembarkedOne, on 10/12/2007, -9/+23No a big fan of Mr. Curry myself.
after that stint with wikipedia.org he really feel in the rating on my scale - RezSav, on 10/12/2007, -64/+4I don't care what anyone says, "Arrested Development" doesn't hold a PUBE next to Futurama... oh and BOO TO SHAMELESS PLUGS!!!!
- mesoed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The only thing not returned to ownership is shows created as a Podshow podcaster. Podshow owns those (although I'd be curious if they'd actually prevent a podcaster from using those shows)
- mesoed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5There would probably be some free Podshow promotion in those old shows!
- DisposableRob, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8"after that stint with wikipedia.org he really feel in the rating on my scale"
After his stint on Headbanger's Ball, he hit the bottom of my ratings scale. - Simen, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18I'm getting so tired of this Curry-bashing.
I honestly do NOT believe he is either the Messiah or the Devil. He's just an enthusiastic guy whose trying to do what he loves and make some cash in the process.
It's just plain naive to think the contract is particularly devious or evil, and the recurring scandalizing of his person probably tells us more about an envious public than it does about him.
If you don't like him, ignore him...and that's probably what hurts him the most.
If you DO like him, then please continue doing so.
But DON'T forget that, in the end, he's just another guy. - sabster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5thats hilarious. this podcast is amazing so funny... i love how it says that you give all the rights of thw show away, yet you have to be responsible for everything you say. lmfao
- Oakraidr, on 10/12/2007, -26/+5One year owned by AC it one day to long. Plus you have toi give up your past and future ad revenue
- UGM2099, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8...and when you sign with them you are required to supply podshow with any advertising leads or contracts you might have already.
Basically Podshow is counting on at least a few podcasting stars to emerge after they've signed on to their network. Sign 'em while they're vulnerable, before they become a Keith and the Girl or Nobody Likes Onions. Imagine if you sign with them then want to leave and do it on your own.. you can't because they OWN all of the shows you did and could seal them away or worse, keep distributing the shows themselves and bring in ad revenue.
- UGM2099, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8...and when you sign with them you are required to supply podshow with any advertising leads or contracts you might have already.
- dynamod, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15I'm listening to the Keith and the Girl podcast... and I'm not a podcaster (yet, who konws...) this contract is insane... podshow would own everything that's related to the podcast (logo, matelrial..) and exclusive license of content! They could SELL your shows on CD for instance and not have to give you jack for it.
this is pure evil. - PupuStudios, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8This is why I dig podtrac.com so much(no pun intended). They don't have anything like this in their system.
- veritech, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12I've been a KATG listen for almost a year now, and listened to the DSC until the last 6 months. So i can kinda a see it from both angles. I heard about them(KATG) wanting to know the deets on the contract from last week, and by the sounds of it, it will be a good show.
If the comments above are true i've been truely let down by adam curry, i respect his past work, but as keith would say the deal has always sounded "shadey". Hopefully the Podcast music network doesn't suffer from similiar restrictions.
Anyone who isn't easily offended, give the Keith and the girl podcast a try, its comedy btw.
PS. No brumski - Lumiras, on 10/12/2007, -9/+35Adam Curry is so over. He may have been the person that drove podcasting into the spotlight, but he quickly showed his true stripes in the fact that he was only in this for profit.
Then he edited his own Wikipedia entry, therefore completly losing all respect from every single person in the universe. I'm really surprised people still work under his Podshow banner. He's washed up- EmmEff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12For somebody that is "so over", he seems to be attracting more advertising and press daily... I thought he was over 6 months ago when the wikipedia thing hit and now he's got more advertising (read- more $$$) and more press than ever before.
- Lumiras, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11you have a point. He'll probably end up as the sterilized family-friendly face of podcasting, but he'll never really regain the respect of the actual people who listen to or create podcasts
- veritech, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5I completely agree, his creditbility on this side of the mic has been badly damaged, all that stuff with dave winer, plus the sticky wiki, and now this. He's achieved alot, but his golden star (on the internet at least), has fallen.
- RaistlinMajere, on 10/12/2007, -56/+5The only response to this:
Who Really Gives a *****?!?
Reported as lame.- Lewisham, on 10/12/2007, -33/+12My only response to this comment:
Who Really Gives a ***** what RaistlinMajere Thinks?!?!
Thumbs down. - Lewisham, on 10/12/2007, -38/+2Double-post :(
- Lewisham, on 10/12/2007, -33/+12My only response to this comment:
- goettel, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20Adam Curry has been nothing but a populist but still marginal, money-grabbing embarassement for years. We knew he edited Wikipedia's entry on Podcasts to overstate his own importance (which is the sort of guy he is, judging by his media performance).
Now we know why.
Scumbag.- SystemHasFailed, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14Exactly. Why anyone even pays attention to this bozo is still beyond me.
- HotDog, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3
http://bighairedfag.com/ redirects to.... - Permanent4, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4People pay attention to him because he's still at the forefront of what's happening in podcasting, and if you're a podcaster who's serious about making your show work, you want to keep up with what Podshow is doing. It's the same for pharma reps who need to keep up with the latest drugs or TV salespeople who need to know the difference between 720p and 1080i so that they can explain it effectively to their customers.
- SystemHasFailed, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14Exactly. Why anyone even pays attention to this bozo is still beyond me.
- meltingrobot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Sounds kinda like what a record companies contract probably looks like to an artist....
- longman2g, on 10/12/2007, -11/+17its not evil, the artists weigh whether they think they are going to make money, and how much they value various things. If they think it is best to get the fame from their material being put on thier site, that is thier choice. There are many other venues besides this one.
- CalgaryTechGuy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Adam, is this you? Or is it one of the other podshow drones (no offense to Soccergirl)?
How can you say this is not evil? Have you listened to the details of the contract. The artists not only have to give up all rights to their shows, logos, and intellectual property, but also any advertising contacts they have made. Sounds a little like Adam needs the contacts and doesn't know where to look. Even with all of that, once they have signed there is no out clause for the artist. Adam is the only one who can cancel the contract and he has the exclusive right to extend the contract beyond the initial year. What does the artist get for all of this? Hosting for the podcast ($30/month at LibSyn), maybe making $2000/month based on the number of downloads (tracked and counted by Podshow, I hope there are some independant auditors involved), and empty promises and fluff about the possibility of advertisers for your show (maybe the contacts that you already have given them, but now Podshow gets a cut).
You are right, there are other ways of going about this. Podshow is not the only way to get your podcast out there. But I think that you would agree, the "deal" is far from good.
One more thing, if Adam doesn't own the rights to the show, maybe it shouldn't be listed on the top of his comedy directory (http://www.podshow.com/directories.html). I smell lawsuit.
Seagull - btitus, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0Lawsuit? How so? Is anyone actually making money podcasting? Believe me, as soon as someone figures out how to make real money at it, Adam Curry will be out of the loop so fast your head will spin.
- CalgaryTechGuy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Adam, is this you? Or is it one of the other podshow drones (no offense to Soccergirl)?
- Funkly, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3fellow libsyn'r ... you been dugg.. get ready for some huge trafic!!
- RichardAZ, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I'm a long time fan of this show. Keith and Chemda are the most talented duo in podcasting. They record about 5 hours a week and all of it is interesting and funny. I'm glad to see them dugg, so once they are the #1 podcast they can piss on Adam Curry. What an egotist. Just listen to one of his shows, and you'll know all you need to know about him.
- chiefted, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Wow! I need a lawyer now.
I want that 40 some odd mins I just wasted listening to Keith and the lapdog back.
Points:
One: Its a contract folks, sign it or don't sign it. I have seen worse (no didn't sign those).
Two: Anyone who takes advice from a clown (yes you Keith) gets what they deserve
Three: If you like the contract sign it
Four: You all need to unsubscribe from Keith and the lapdog. The show was not all that brilliant and seriously by min 5 I wanted to smack "the girl" for all those fake laughs. She reminded me of the hunch back that follows Dr. Frankenstein around say "Yes Master" ever two seconds. Honestly "Lapdog" SHUT UP!
- sjk8990, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22Last time I checked if you don't like the contract you don't have to sign it. Either learn to read or get a lawyer to read it for you.
- EmmEff, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Yeah, geez, it's an invitation to a Podshow association. Nobody is pointing a gun to your head to sign the contract. Podcasting will exist with or without Podshow.
- UGM2099, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5This is about revealing the information which no one had been willing to divulge until now.
Sure, Podshow is out to make money, which is fine, but just so you know, if a podcaster makes any money it's only AFTER Podshow has made sure to make even more money off of them. This isn't the record industry where you need CDs in stores, distributing is nothing but a web server, so why give up all your rights? - Lumiras, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6yeah, this is very true. These people signed this contract with Adam Curry of all people, and they really should have known that everything will be restricted.
It's really funny, Adam Curry acts like he's very socialist and anti-DRM and other restrictions for this media, yet he does ***** like this. (I know it's not completly him doing this, but he is running the show) - dynamod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2it's probably not so bad not to read the license when you're installing software on your computer... and that's why hardly no one reads it. People have probably grown accustomed to not reading these things nowadays because we're always asked to sign this or that... but you'll never read a e-contract that says that when you install word on your computer, microsoft will own what you write using it.
podshow want to do sth that really looks like they want 100% of the copyright of what podcasters will be doing.
- miktho, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Curry has retorted on The Daily Source Code today...
_m- SixSider, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Listening to Curry's "response."
He doesn't seem to refutting anything. He wants t o talk to them. Very odd. - dynamod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1it's not a proper response... they're not answering anything, they're telling a cute (not) joke and finishing off by saying "you haven't answered us"
it's their turn to answer... they're playing a jedi-mind trick by trying to turn the tables.
their joke skit is an insult. they're responding like kids on a playground.
- SixSider, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Listening to Curry's "response."
- nickstang, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5I heard the keith and the girl show and was goign to post it to digg as well! I was going to get a copy of his curry's douche bag contract and put up some audio clips of keith exposing it!
Awesome job Keith and Chemda!!!!!!
Your fiend, [sic]
Papa Skitch - JohnboiWaltune, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12I just realized Adam Curry was that douchebag with the female hairdo on MTV when I was a kid. I always wondered what happened to that guy... I figured he'd be a full on transvestite by now.
- Kitsune818, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Holy crap, *that guy*?? I never realized it before. What a tool.
- bloodguard, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13I just tried to listen to this Keith and the Girl podcast but I couldn't deal with the woman's constant insane shrieking and cackling. I started bleeding out through my ears. Really.
Is there a cliff notes version of this contract available somewhere? - HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11A link to an mp3 file? nothing to read? what sort of Digg is this?
- UGM2099, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8The page links to their podcast feed, which contains a direct link to an mp3.
>>> http://media.libsyn.com/media/*****/KATG-2006-03-27.mp3
Who would want to click on a headline just to get an mp3 download.... seems annoying to me.
And yea, since the contract has been secret up until now there isn't a version to read... yet.
- UGM2099, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8The page links to their podcast feed, which contains a direct link to an mp3.
- NoUse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I don't really have anything against PodShow but what kind of benefits is there to joining PodShow via a contract like this? One seems to give up a lot of assets as a podcaster. Does one get anything in return? Ad revenue? Free promotion?
- UGM2099, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Podshow offers the potential of ad revenue (assuming you get popular). Promotion is yet to be seen, but I'm sure they have plans.
They say over and over QYDJ (Quit Your Day job) but it hasn't happened for all but a couple of podcasters.
- UGM2099, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Podshow offers the potential of ad revenue (assuming you get popular). Promotion is yet to be seen, but I'm sure they have plans.
- mesoed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Most of the items in the contract are VERY, VERY typical for media contracts. I have much of the same wording, restrictions, and right-to-use agreements in my old TV contract.
The problem is that podcasting is not typical media.- veritech, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I think the contract is shady, but i have to agree its is normal legal stuff. "we might give you money, and will take all your crap". Thats busines life, if no one gets screwed wheres the profit gonna come from?
ie.
Supermarkets and farmers
Retailers and manufacturers
the list goes on...
- veritech, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I think the contract is shady, but i have to agree its is normal legal stuff. "we might give you money, and will take all your crap". Thats busines life, if no one gets screwed wheres the profit gonna come from?
- Gecki, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5"A link to an mp3 file? nothing to read? what sort of Digg is this?"
A digg that saves you a lot of time!- RichardAZ, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2It's the kind of link you don't have to read :)
HUAR
- RichardAZ, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2It's the kind of link you don't have to read :)
- hass, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20I like how this is filed under the robots category. HUAR!
- mdavis, on 10/12/2007, -14/+4talk about a podcast that sucks. Why not just call it "Kieth" and get rid of "The Girl". Maybe hire someone without a generic nickname?
- theevilone, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2There must be room for a an established ad agency to represent podcasts like the brilliant "Keith and the Girl" without this ridiculous contract. A simple 60% podcaster, 40% Ad agency relationship? Adspace auction website? etc... Sell monthy sponsorship on e-bay.
- earwitness, on 10/12/2007, -10/+7Keith and the Girl has been snubbed by Curry since they began the show. Probably because they could see right through him for the schmuck that he has proven himself to be. Stern's show is lame by comparison.
All new digg listeners to the show... don't forget to vote on Podcast Alley! heh...
DIGG DIGG- EmmEff, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6It could also be an inferiority complex as well... I do not discount Keith & The Girl's intelligence and creativity, but for me, Dawn & Drew has been, suprisingly, far more interesting and addictive.
- deznice, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4how so?
by doing three shows inn one day and eating toblerones while the listeners provide all the content from stoopid voicemails?
- RabidPuppet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7What we really need is a comparison of this contract with the "standard" RIAA or music industry contract. My guess is the Podshow contract, though one sided MIGHT be less one sided than the music industry contracts. If not, then Podshow does will never be the unlable alternative to the dreaded record industry...
- misterjangles, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I actually have a major label contract, believe it or not, though I don't pretend to be famous our whatever.
The way it works is that the label will lose money on 9 of 10 bands. If you are one of those bands (like me he he), you are actually lucky because it means you got more money from the label than was made from selling your CD, so you actually make out good! Like, if you sell your music to the Label for an advance of $100,000 but they only make $50,000 in sales, they will probably terminate your contract, but you get to keep the $100,000 advance. And you probably got some promotion and credibility for just being associated with the label (I am speaking of a bigger label that has a name, that is)
Unfortunately, the punishment goes to that 1 out of 10 band that is a huge hit because then the way the contract works is that the money will mostly go to the label and the band, in hindsight, will have traded in all that profit for a small up-front payment. So, they sold their music for the same $100,000 however the label makes millions. But, if that happens, the band will usually tour like crazy and make a bunch of money - then they will try to re-negotiate their contract for the next record.
So, a contract like this is basically selling your work in exchange for something. If the label (or in this case Podshow) is offering you something valuable like cash, exposure, credibility, etc, then maybe it is a good deal for you to give up some of your rights. If you are getting nothing out of the deal, the obviously it would be stupid to sign.
- misterjangles, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I actually have a major label contract, believe it or not, though I don't pretend to be famous our whatever.
- nickstang, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2http://static.flickr.com/14/92425135_8446226d0d_o.jpg
- RabidPuppet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7What we really need is a comparison of this contract with the "standard" RIAA or music industry contract. My guess is the Podshow contract, though one sided, might be LESS one sided than the music industry contracts. If not, then Podshow will never be the un-label alternative to the dreaded record industry...
- psimac, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Last time I checked, Adam Curry did not own or solely operate Podshow. It's a corporation owned mostly by venture capitalists and is a for-profit company. I believe what they are doing is a good thing, overall, and as someone who's been involved with a start-up before, understand there are bumps in the road and learning experiences. Podshow is a fledgling company, growing and conforming to whatever works to best its user/listener base. At the end of the day, however, they are in BUSINESS, where they need to make a profit. Just like Digg.com or any other company. My read on Podshow is that it has been very responsive to its customer base and critics. What they are doing is good for this industry. RIAA is evil, not Podshow. People who instantly react to this story and blame Adam Curry for everything, as if he is the owner of Podshow, are completely ignorant. You people should be reacting to the RIAA using a call center to sue people!
- JalenJade, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8The reason Adam Curry gets all the heat when Podshow does something is he's the face of podshow, erm make that Voice. Podshow is owned by people you've never heard of and will probably never hear their individual names, maybe the name of the company who really owns Podshow.
Who cares about a contract? ALL contracts are BS for the person who didn't write it. (You look at the next contract you have to sign, unless you wrote it.) If you go work for a software company or any company where you're developing something your contract pretty much says "Anything you develop while employed by Is the propriety of ." Not 'Anything you develop while WORKING for ' But Employed by, so even if you do something outside of work they can claim it as theirs.
EVERY company is going to work in ITS best interests first and then do what it thinks is fair. Podshow has a lot of podcasts in its network and so they must be doing something right.
- JalenJade, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8The reason Adam Curry gets all the heat when Podshow does something is he's the face of podshow, erm make that Voice. Podshow is owned by people you've never heard of and will probably never hear their individual names, maybe the name of the company who really owns Podshow.
- mushoo, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4WTF am I listening to? All this talk of curry is making me hungry. Will someone enlighten me as to what this digg is supposed to be about?
NEVERMIND,
It took them like three minutes to stop their goofy talk.
I'm still confused though. - glitchp-udd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4is this site so much of a joke that a story can get this man diggs and comments without anyone seeing the damn contract? c'mon people! what's the point of all this if there's not a link to the damn contract? i don't want to hear these people read the damn thing.
- veritech, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3As a long time listener to this show, they wouldn't joke about this. They need the money, and would sign it if they didn't have half a brain.
And thank goodness they have the balls to drop the deets on this shady deal, cause they certainly aren't gonna get offered one now.
- veritech, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3As a long time listener to this show, they wouldn't joke about this. They need the money, and would sign it if they didn't have half a brain.
- Timjacobs, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5Huar!!!
- veritech, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7For those of you not in the know, HUAR = Humans united against robots, it's a KATG thing, and hey it's wednesday ^_^
- SparkLink, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hey veritech, it's mostly dudes here. I think I'll pass.
- phej, on 10/12/2007, -14/+60:00 - "praise be to god for a new week"
1:15-5:00 - "you'd have to be out of your ***** mind" " suck my ***** dick" "***** libsyn rocks" etc.
I can't listen to this anymore. Such utter crap.- sedition, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Hahaha.. That's so funny. I just about stopped listening when I heard the God ***** at the begining!
- sedition, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Hahaha.. That's so funny. I just about stopped listening when I heard the God ***** at the begining!
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5For those that don't want to listen to the whole thing (NSFW by the way). Basically, podshow owns absolutely everything about your podcast logos/slogans ect. And, they have the right to rent, distribute, display, market, perform, use likenesses of, sell your podcast whenever you want, in absolutely any form of media, whether it be actual or electronic form- and via any kind of media that may be invented after this agreement.
Yeah, ***** that.- phej, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8sounds like a standard media contract to me
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3That's the point, you don't make that much money signing up, atleast if you release a popular record you get some good money.
Remember that podcasting was suppose to be "independent media," well guess what, it isn't anymore.
- U2groupie, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5I feel bad for Dawn and Drew for signing this.
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I don't. I used to listen to them, back in time when they weren't worried about making money from the podcast. They knew what the contract means, and have said in many occasions that they needed to wanted to make money on their pocast. I used to like the podcast and them, but they're ***** sellouts.
- SnapETom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I feel bad for Drew. I mean, he's been neutered and all.
- DJS2005, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5That sound like a really lame contract. Microsoft style. No thank you.
- CasadeMike, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11What's funny is how Curry talks about how Podcasting is revolutionizing media and putting the rights back in the hands of the people. He often talks about the shady radio industry and record labels and how all that is going away. THEN - he comes out with a shady-record-company-style contract to take the property rights from content owners. I guess it's only shady if someone other than Curry is doing it.
When I first stared listening to Podcasts I would listen to this guy. It didn't take long before I grew great disdain for him.
Comments like "this week I am in the cottage in London" next "I will be in my penthouse in New York". Or, "I am flying the plane to Brussels". This guy just comes across as a pompous ass whenever I listen to him.
The fact that he is trying to control and manipulate Podcasting just deducts further points from him in my books. I have no problem with people trying to monetize new technologies - but don't try to put yourself across as some holier-than-though person if that's what your end game is. - nomechingues, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Adam is just a jerk Good job Keith and the Girl, love the show i feel sorry for soccergirl, i think Keith said it all.
" i think Adam owns soccergirl titties" - rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3I thought Adam Curry retired. I wonder if the old codger has signed up for his medicare prescription plan yet? That way he could get his viagra cheap.
- craigtheguru, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Some people I know with a popular podcast went through the contract rigamarole with Curry but were smart enough to recognize that Pod Show was a bad deal. I feel bad for many podcasters who aren't wise enough to recognize that they are getting the short end of the stick and are signing away many of their rights.
Glad to see this make the light of day. But the moral of the story is to read and understand something before you sign it! - HotDog, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0oddly enough http://biggiantbutton.com points to http://curry.com
- SnapETom, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Awesome job, Keith and Chemda! We love you! HUAR!
- Fly4Fun, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I'm sure podshow podcasters will earn FAR more for their episodes than podshow itself. The good thing about Adam is, if you've got a problem with something, tell him! He'll listen. And how much are old podcasts going to be worth to Podshow if your podcast leaves Podshow.
- sinfony, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2There are no good things about Adam Curry. Not only is he talentless and boring, he's also hypocritical and soulless.
Why does anybody listen to the DSC? What Adam Curry eats for breakfast is not interesting to anybody but Adam Curry. I remember when I first started listening to podcasts, I checked it out, and heard him complain about how his shoulder hurt for roughly two straight weeks. How does that get VC? - redcard, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3He'll listen. He'll be sensible. He'll respond, and he'll seek consensus. Just like he did with Winer.
Then he'll stab you in the back. Just like he also did to Winer.
It's all about the almighty buck to AC. He doesn't care about the common podcaster, if he did, he wouldn't be using the same kind of contracts he derides so vitrolically on his show.
- sinfony, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2There are no good things about Adam Curry. Not only is he talentless and boring, he's also hypocritical and soulless.
- h4lofourt33n, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Pretty funny and cool, I love the system they use for delivering the podcast though. The pop-up window is a lot more organized then having to worry about download management. Very cool. Adam Curry though...sketchy.
- etherdog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I appreciate the work Adam Curry has done to make podcasting popular and to monetize it somehow. It should be strongly noted, as even Keith and the Girl said, that the contracts they received did NOT come from Podshow. Any comments about any alleged contract should be based on what the real contract is. All else is idle speculation. My belief, in listening to Curry and KATG, is that Curry is working hard to get a real network together where podcasters can make real money.
Curry has repeatedly stressed that Podshow is making this up as they go along, and that anything can be changed as it people work through the development of this new medium.
It would be nice if people knew what they were talking about before spouting off. - wisewaif, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Forget the whole Adam/douche comments. That much is obvious.
Can someone explain to me how joining a network is beneficial anyway?
Are people going to go to podshow.com, and say "wow, I like Soccergirl, look at all the other things in the network." And forget even that, will people go to podshow.com period?
It seems to me that the open model of iTunes, Yahoo, etc is the real "network" and Podshow's "tools" to connect people to other shows is a waste of energy.
It seems to me that the only beneficial thing is bulk advertising. You have a network of shows, and people advertise for the thousands listening. But Podshow will take their cut, and what will the podcaster be left with? Podshow-taint is the only thing I can see.
As a podcaster myself, I am looking for control over my content and finances, and will not give it to some company that wants to steal my logo and intellectual property. I'd rather not make a dime, than give in to Preparation H ads, and adverts for Curry suppositories.- rabiddogma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well I suspect (I don't really know for sure) that Podshow is following the Web Logs Inc. model. The basis of this model being that advertisers can have a one stop shop where they can advertise on several (hundred or thousand?) blogs on a single contract. The advantage to the advertiser is that they can get their message on a bunch of blogs and only have to deal with one entity. The advantage to the blog company is that the advertisers are willing to pay a premium for this one stop service. And the advantage to the bloggers is the fact that they're guaranteed a certain amount of revenue without having to deal directly with advertisers.
I suspect in order for this kind of model to work you would need contracts like this for it to really work. But I could be wrong. Who knows?
- rabiddogma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well I suspect (I don't really know for sure) that Podshow is following the Web Logs Inc. model. The basis of this model being that advertisers can have a one stop shop where they can advertise on several (hundred or thousand?) blogs on a single contract. The advantage to the advertiser is that they can get their message on a bunch of blogs and only have to deal with one entity. The advantage to the blog company is that the advertisers are willing to pay a premium for this one stop service. And the advantage to the bloggers is the fact that they're guaranteed a certain amount of revenue without having to deal directly with advertisers.
- whiskeybravo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Er, Em, I don't suppose anyone in the lynch mob is interested in hearing what Podshow has to say, or actually reading the contract and UNDERSTANDING what it means compared to other legal documents.
The majority of you flame boys and girls above have clearly never listened to Curry and have no idea what he is trying to build. Go ahead and pass your judgments based on message board flame wars but whatever you do don't actually listen to what the individuals involved have to say. Sure, Adam is a capitalist, pure and simple (and a reasonably good one at that). WTF is wrong with that? At least there are a few rational voices here. No one is forcing you to sign the contract.
As to the bandwidth costs and issues, even libsyn is running into limits and is addressing certain "commercial" podcasts with a different cost structure (listen to the Inside the Net interview). I've heard Leo Laporte talk about monthly bandwidth bills in the multiple thousands of dollars, and TWIT is on a free ride with AOL!
Some (very, very few) of these people are going to be able to turn this into their livelihood. Many would absolutely not be able to accomplish that without some support. For them, Podshow is an answer (or one possible answer). If you can monetize it and figure out the whole thing yourself, then no one is stopping you!
Let me know how bad you feel for Soccergirl in 12 months.- veritech, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1If libsyn is hitting the limits, how much more will podshow?
Podshow has many overheads, there offices, staff etc, libsyn is a couple of guys and a few rack servers.
I've listened to both, and was, and still am a respector of Adam's previous work. But this is shady. PMN is ok, but this isn't and i can't understand why adam would stand behind such a contract, while preaching his death to drm message. Instead of the listener getting screwed, looks like the "producer" is instead.
Libsyn only has a few headline podcasters, the lesser known ones, help cover the big boys.
- veritech, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1If libsyn is hitting the limits, how much more will podshow?
- NickyBatts, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1Ummm, can anyone explain/paraphrase why this is news?
I have no idea what this story is about at all.- nomechingues, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Dont you notice it is robot news, Huar i cant belive you dont understand it
- DanClass, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3it's news because Adam Curry is gobbling up podcasts right and left so he can dominate the market; he can use those numbers to make money and in exchange the individual artists sign over their creative endevors
- goosedotnu, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6http://www.keithandthegirl.com Everyone should subscribe.
- john.furlong, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I've listened to every KatG episode, and I am consistently impressed with the level of entertainment they provide. Keith and Chemda do 5 episode per day, each an hour minimum. They are introducting some advertisments into the the show, they are talking to agents. If any podcaster can make a living with their show, I think KatG can. They don't need Podshow; 99% of the shows in the network are crap anyway (I'm looking at you Dawn & Drew). Keith and Chemda rule!
- john.furlong, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Oops. Of course I mean they do 5 hours per week. Keith couldn't do 5 hours per week; he would have no time for downing 40s.
- chewbaccapits, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Soccergirl boobs are pwned by Curry...
- UGM2099, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3that is true. or, rather, podshow OWNS the pictures of her boobs and pictures of her greasy face.
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