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- tempusrob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31It's a preview. Not 1.0 ...
- FearNLoathing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Can someone explain what exactly Zend Framework is? I can't find anything on their website about what it is or what it allows me to do... which I thought would be essential if you expect people to start using it.
- SpookyET, on 10/12/2007, -6/+121.0? Bah! It's 0.1.1 you moron!
- supernerd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Preview release, not 1.0, just one look at the code and it is nowhere near ready for mass consumption.
While we are waiting, I would recommend the zoop framework (http://zoopframework.com). It is stable and full featured containing many of things the zend framework intends to include including AJAX, PDF handling, DB, Log, Mail, Input Filtering, XMLRPC. It also has a few feature in addition to zend including db - form integration, validation (both php and js), automatic form creation and powerful templating. It also works in both php 4 and 5. - hunchback, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Hope this will make people (and webhosts) want to upgrade to PHP5 en masse
- Essen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Not impressive. Except for a few useful components like Feed, Mail, and HttpClient - Zend completely missed the point here. If they want to bring a Rails equivalent to PHP they're going to need to build a FRAMEWORK, not a disconnected set of code components that offer little more than the eZcomponents that have been available for some time.
- markdbd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I think this framework has important features like the Data_Object already know in PEAR but will all know not everybody uses PEAR and Zend is more Comercial. Zend is trying to create an standardized arquitecture for PHP applications I hope they get it.
- rspeed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Back at you. Welcome to the new Digg.
- DCstewieG, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6There needs to be a filter to remove exclamation points from story titles.
I can't wait to post a digg story "Digg removes exclamation points from story titles!" - aaronshaf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3http://www.symfony-project.com/ uses Propel, which is the best object persistence layer for PHP hands-down.
There's also http://cakephp.org/ - Essen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I disagree about this being a "framework". These are simply loosely connected (or completely disconnected) components with documentation on how they _should_ be implemented. Anyone experience with a development framework knows it's a different creature entirely.
Moreover, up next to eZcomponents which has been distributed for some time, the functionality is lacking (even taking into account the planned libraries), and the execution is sub-par (and surprisingly inconsistent). This is also going to make the PHP ecosystem even more uncomfortable as Zend hasn't presented an organic (or for that matter - any) relationship between the Zend Framework and PEAR.
This was Zend's chance to assert itself as a legitimate player in "agile development". Instead, they've released a premium version of PEAR that will likely discourage development of 3rd party frameworks / components.
And finally - by not being a killer app, the Zend Framework will do nothing to speed up adoption of PHP5. - ThugEsquire, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5With all this talk about Ruby being the greatest thing since sliced bread, it's a surprise anybody even mentions PHP anymore. At least PHP has decent documentation!
- ghopper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Did you actually look through the archive ? It's not the libraries that are 7Mb, but some PDFs, docs and a demo folder.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I use Smarty template framework. It's brill.
- crkbbyx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This is great news. Development of a framework for the masses takes time, and this looks like a good start.
- supernerd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Let me try that link again this time without the parens, looks like the digg parser needs some refining. http://zoopframework.com .
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've only skimmed through it but I noticed the Yahoo, Flickr and Amazon functions which I thought were very cool. I hope they can team up with more organizations like maybe all the credit card companies or something like that.
- shiflett, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'd like to answer a few questions and add some comments of my own.
First, this is a very early preview release that does not contain every component intended to be in the final release.
ZF is both a framework and a collection of components. It is to be provided as a single, complete distribution, so there will not be any inter-dependencies to work out, and you're free to use only the components you find useful. In fact, it can easily be used in combination with existing frameworks and other component libraries.
The library is 1.5 MB. If you can't afford 1.5 MB of disk space on a server, then you've got bigger issues. :-) - sporty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Decided to look at it one more time. STILL no name spaces.
- jesusphreak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Yeah, its more along the lines of PEAR as opposed to a complete framework.
- sintaks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And you won't ever find any, as PHP has no support for them.
- ForbesBingley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Woah! That's dangerous talk for the likes of me!
I've found PHP5 to cripple a lot of the stuff I've developed, and some of the stuff I pull down from code sources on the web.
Now, this isn't any flaw in PHP5, rather the fact that it's a little more strict than PHP4... - SpookyET, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm not impressed with any of them. No PHP framework will beat RoR because PHP does not have the flexibility of Ruby. That said, I played with Code Igniter. Unlike the rest, this one seems to be the cleanest and the easiest to use. However, unlike RoR, it requires a lot of configuration and manual labour.
- LaCamiseta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If that's the case, then why wouldn't one just want to stick with the zoop framework. Makes a bit more sense to me to stick with something that already exists and is relatively mature than to wait for something that may be a long time coming down the pipeline.
- cavicster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I hope all hosts with upgrade to PHP5 as well ... cough ... Pair .... cough
- scblock, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Heh, good catch there.
- ghopper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Also check out http://www.codeigniter.com/ which was released a few days ago. Another RoR inspired framework from the makers of ExpressionEngine - http://www.pmachine.com/ee/ . This looks much easier to use than symfony / CakePHP. Looks very promising indeed.
P.S. This should have been a reply to aaronshaf post. Don't know why it got here. - jamiecrager, on 06/10/2009, -0/+0Not sure what to think, will have to try it and report back.
Jamie Crager
http://www.cragerinc.com
http://www.twitter.com/CragerInc - desperadojones, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2The funny thing about this whole mess with the incomplete zend framework is that neither the zend web server nor the php one could even run it. They are both still using php 4, even though php 5 has been out well over a year. Just look at the response headers from the servers (easily done using the web developer extension for firefox). Quite Ironic.
- ghopper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Obviously if you know how to use RoR, stick with that. This was only meant for people who want something "similar" for PHP and an alternative to Cake and Symfony, not for RoR ;)
- androse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0OMG, 10 minutes to explain a Hello World app !
This is clearly a RoR knockoff, without the elegance of the default choices made for you. The $this->load->view('my_template_file.php', $variables); should be done by default, with 0 lines of code.
Yawn, back to RoR :) - playerx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Symfony feels a little bloated, and Propel doesn't feel right.... maybe they should integrate both a little better.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1It's a bunch of pre-written libraries which together make a framework that you use to do 'stuff' which saves the hassle of writing the functionality yourself.
- chronnus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Doesn't Pair support PHP5 already? (through CGI I think).
- swytz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I agree. I personally prefer CakePHP to Zend by far.
- deathray, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1its a 7 mb package. I don't understand why can't they slim it a bit. Its not even 1.0 and its already 7 MB
- sweet409, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I think the zend framework is an attempt to capitalize on the success of ruby on rails. Unfortunately it seems like a poor attempt. Instead of creating a revolutionary product, they are simply trying to catch up.
- jeffburg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0i'm confused.... what is this and what does it do and how will it help me?
i think there should be a What is Zend in the FAQ - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4You see your problem fluoropixel, there are more of us (users who legitimately want to use digg) than there are you (trolls). And if enough of us click that block report button next to your name, you go away.
- davatop, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Cool that its public now, been waiting for this one...
- ghopper, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Check out http://www.codeigniter.com/ which was released a few days ago. Another RoR inspired framework from the makers of ExpressionEngine - http://www.pmachine.com/ee/ . This looks much easier to use than symfony / CakePHP. Looks very promising indeed.
- jesusphreak, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5Oh my...so much abuse that is possible with the new comment system.
- funbags, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1woot
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+2AMERICA IS LOOSING.
Zend is INDIA, do not buy. - Yaroslav, on 10/12/2007, -13/+1"Look at us, we're just like Rails"
Funny guys.
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