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- ers35, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Too bad my ISP doesn't allow this.
- iAlex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Are you a geek or not? =X
- thejof, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14From the site:
"The computer required to run web server software needs to be super fast and is really expensive.
False, most sites you visit on the Internet today are on computer running slower that 500 MHz, most aging office/home computers make excellent web servers."
500 Mhz!? I'm a little skeptical as to where they got that statistic. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17I actually think this is just a terrible concept. Lots of random people "easily" running a web/ftp/email/whatever server is just going to lead to a lot of people accidentally misconfiguring something and opening security holes and allowing more computers to be compromised. Considering that most people can't run a WinXP box passively connected to a broadband connection without inadvertently doing something that exposes their computer to being hacked, I don't think the general public should be encouraged to run their own anything-servers.
I know I sound like an elitist, but I'm an experienced computer professional myself, and when I recently set up my own home web/email server, I frankly couldn't assure myself that I'd closed off all the ports and/or applied all the latest patches to prevent various exploits, so I doubt someone who's even less well-trained than me could reliably do it. - CypherXero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8A 500MHz web server is decent for just a handful of visitors, but if you get like 10,000 or more hits per day, your machine is going down.
- adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7you can run it off 500Mhz, I'm running one on a 900Mhz machine, the key is to max out the ram....
- tuxidomasx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9500mhz for most sites? riiiight, maybe to serve up static pages with a low amount of visitors.
try running a few hundred heavy PHP sessions on a dinky 500MHz machine.
your users will e-hate you. - sneakerelph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7nobody's going to be running a DIY server for a huge website off of their 2/1 ADSL line. This is just for geeks (like me) who want to have fun. believe it or not, i actually think setting up a server and getting things working together is a good way to spend a weekend trapped at the house for whatever reason. besides, GoDaddy doesn't offer Ruby on Rails AFAIK.
- etnu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7That's not really all that difficult. What do you think was powering websites back in 1999/2000 when a 500Mhz machine was top of the line?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6your a ***** idiot. seriously.
i hosted multiple databases and sites on my home adsl for years, it gave me flexability i would NOT get from a $3.99 host.
and it took me less then an hour thats for sure, INCLUDING installing the os.
this is all ignoring the fact that if you diy you actually get to understand how systems work, instead of hiding behind that web interface and having NO clue. - dataloss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Welp, just over two years ago, I ran a site that was slashdotted three times in a year. It was running on three 600Mhz server "blades" that had IDE drives, and were round-robin load balanced. Was more than capable of handling the bashing of the hordes.
Of course, we turned off the database published pages...we're crazy, but not stupid. :)
-dl - zyml, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I thought you could do it faster with this:
http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-windows.html - dicerandom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Put it this way, I host multiple VB3 based forums averaging a total of about 500k hits per day from a dual p3 450MHz Linux box with a gig of RAM. Most websites don't get that many hits, nor are they that intensive (VB3 is a bit of a hog).
- BlackCow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It could be usefull for hosting files just to give to your friends. Instead of e-mailing them the file just give them a link to it on your FTP.
- lilrabbit129, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"No way!
Sure it may look nice and has some nice *nix-like features to boot, but I'd prefer a *real* x86 box with Slackware, Debian, or OpenBSD any day of the week."
Yes... cause you know the chips that the new macs use are *fake* x86 chips.... - kwaldron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I have to agree with vwong137. I scanned this site quickly and while having sufficient info on Windows it has too many gaps for a Linux or Mac installation to be used by a noob. I would not trust a Windows environment to be up as long as a Linux environment unattended. Heck I work at a very large hosting organization and you have no idea how many times we have trouble tickets were the issue is tracked down to Windows running too long without a restart. Those slow memory leaks will kill you every time. Not saying that it is a pure MS problem, it is just as likely some of the 3rd party services we are running on those MS server. We just add a regular restart for that server to the Standard Operations Procedures. Never had to do that for our Linux or SUN servers.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"6) Running a server requires me to have an extra computer and not use the server for anything other than running the server software.
False, Most web/Internet server applications are very small programs that run in the background of your system allowing you to use your computer just like you would normally."
Number six is a very bad advice. Sure, you can always wish as hard as you can for your public web server to never get hacked, but the day it does get hacked, you don't want it to be your personal computer storing private files and stuff. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I hate to break it to ya, but if you run your own mail server, you dont have any friends.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Although it won't be seen as quite as "cool," you can do all of this with IIS on Windows XP Pro.
- wwwdeveloper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I highly recommend folks running their own web servers. It is a great experience to have a home server. Having a home web server in place is definitely a first step to obtaining a "smart home".
I have a web server running locally on my network with pcs and audreys setup up around the home accessing a series of websites that I have built to feed weather reports, photo albums, NAS web-based mgmt system, music, videos, and even recipies.
With my setup I am not worried about outside hackers, as I am not feeding the websites to the world, only feeding them locally. It is a fun project. I'm currently planning on implementing some home survillence equipment and scripting some pages to run on my home server for access around the home.
Fun stuff to do with your new www server w/out having to worry about serious security threats. It will impress your family and friends when they visit your home. - thejof, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"A 500MHz web server is decent for just a handful of visitors, but if you get like 10,000 or more hits per day, your machine is going down."
Sure, a 500 Mhz box would be sufficient for quite a bit, however, I doubt that "most sites [I] visit ... [are] running slower that[sic] 500 Mhz..." - Cytranic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4An hour? I could do all this, and design a small website in an hour!
- hughv, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I found this page a couple of years ago, and got my server working almost immediately. I administer about 10 small web sites, so it wasn't a matter of money, just a matter of learning how it was done.
Initially, I set this up on a Fedora box, using Apache, then switched to my XP rig and IIS.
My ISP doesn't allow this, but they have never complained, probably because the amount of traffic is so small.
This page, like so many others, represents the internet at its best:users helping users with no concern about profit. - srg13, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yes, but IIS is incredibly limited on XP. You need to get Windows Server just to get the functionality of Apache (which is free)
- warragul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3My webserver (just a hobby) runs Apache on a 350MHz Mac G3.
Doesn't have to be flash when it's on a 256Kbps DSL.
I know others running on slower PCs using Apache under Linux. No problem. - jsp317, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Cool i have a p4 1.7 with a gig of ram 2 80 gig hard drives sitting on the floor doing nothing. It's gonna have a new job now. My friends will love this.
- mkultra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I have my own webserver I built out of old computers that people had thrown out (you can find these systems easily).
It's an old 500MHz compaq motherboard, 10GB drive, Fedora Core 4, Apache, MySQL 4.1, PHP 5.1.2, Ruby on Rails, VSFTP, Qmail, Python, Perl, etc etc.
Contrary to the Port 80 "issue" with ISPs if you're just creating a server for your own personal use you can switch the webserver to whatever port you want in the Apache config and add the port to the URL.
This server, while slow if really hammered, runs like a champ in most situations (and is great for web development), and the uptime right now is over 2 months. Plus if it breaks I'm out basically no cash. - OfARevolution23, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3TOTALineptitude: I happen to run a few servers of my own and I also have a girlfriend (who's nowhere near a geek, she actually despises computers).
The stereotype of geek/nerd is someone who has very little friends nor a sex life, is slowly being broken my friend. - OdinEye, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm a geek, but not a network running geek.
I don't think it's unreasonable at all to do a time for money cost/benefit analysis between doing it yourself and paying someone else to do it.
I know intellectually how to make my own beer as well, but I generally let someone else do that for me too, because they are better at it, and paying them is cheaper/easier than doing it myself. And I'm not a beer-making geek. - BlackCow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@TOTALineptitude
I think he meens his geek friends. Not all friends have to be noobs, there are other people who share your passion. - qball15j, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Glade to see my fellow diggers made it over to DIYwebserver. I've been a big Digg fan for years ever since Kevin mentioned it on TSS one night... (Way back in the good ol' days.)
I've been a forum admin at DIY for years now and host the site as well. I would recommend everyone to check out the forums if you haven't already, the website while still filled with great information is a little dated. - libbydib, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3A few weeks ago I set up my own home web server. Works great!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@thejof
Let me guess, you run Mac OSX? - spoonard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Wow...that's a very informative site...I personally have no use for my own web server, but I knwo some people i'm gonna recommend this site to! Got my digg!
- dsn0wman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3IIS on WinXP Pro has a 5 user limit. I have found it's not even sufficient for development. Apache works on windows if you dont have the time to build a real server on a real server platform. Can we say LAMP?
- cresquin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://www.apachefriends.org/en/index.html
Xampp will install all of these services for you , and run in a self contained environment. And all the pieces are all setup to work together. - forcedfx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It was a nightmare for me trying to configure an FTP server behind a router when clients are also connecting from behind firewalls. I did manage to finally get it working.
- amishjim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1waa waa beginners shouldnt learn how, thats all i hear, who cares if they don't set up their own server correctly? how will they learn? 0o0o it's because the gurus dont want real people to know how easy it really is, i mean, the documentation is all there, even complete install packages..whatever, everyone stay in their box
- Flukey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"
Full feature unlimited Internet Server with all of the above options = about 4-5 hours"
The funny irony to this, is that most peoples ISPs are capped. Your upload is generally significantly lower than your download speed. And also, most people have a download/upload limit. So "Unlimited DIY Sever", is somewhat of an oxymoron. - Mirag3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I also agree, I think novices setting up webservers could open up a lot of vulnerabilities. I'd be more comfortable if they used Linux, but this seems like a "serving on windows" kind of setup. I also caught a couple errors in what they were saying. One of their myth-fact things was, You have to use a dedicated computer to run a server (False). Well, that's actually partially true. A lot of people don't keep their main computer on 24/7, and if you are running a web server, well, that's pretty much what you wanna do. Basically, if they had advocated installing OpenBSD or Kubuntu I would of agreed, but with windows this is just asking for trouble.
- coldshuts, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I use EasyPHP, a lot faster to setup and it includes Apache, PHP and MySQL.
http://www.easyphp.org/ - krinthekuz, on 09/16/2008, -1/+2um no.... they take multiple pages to say what is said on ubuntuguide.org in like 1 screen (the apache+php+mysql section). no digg.
- zeroSignal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0A great way to get a web server, mail server, mysql, php and an ftp server running in just a few minutes is to get Apache2Triad. www.apache2triad.net
- kurtisnelson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I have been running thisisnotajoke.com out of my room for two years using IIS. The only time I crashed it was when a whole computer lab at school got on it and started spamming the guestbook.
- sockmonk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The problem with this is it didn't address security issues at all, or the time needed to monitor and maintain the service. I think the folks here that suggested running Apache on something besides port 80, just for local home use, have the best idea. But if it's for full public access, odds are you will get hacked more than once. Your site will also go down (a) when your house loses power; (b) when there's an issue with your phone or cable line; (c) you move to a different house or apartment, during the time it takes to get your internet connection switched over; (d) any person or pet messes with the "server." For playing around and learning how it works, that's ok, but if you're hosting a public site, or even a site for some friends that they expect to stay up, it's a bad plan.
- technutz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I have to agree, Xampp is the quickest easiest way to go. About 15minutes for me have a server set up. Can't beat that.
- warragul, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I'll go along with that comment about "bad neighborhood".
It took only a couple of months inspecting my logs to realise that most of the virus/mail relay/open proxy probes were coming from IPs in China, Taiwan and Korea. Usually they belonged to tertiary/technical education establishments. Even with a cheap DSL they were eating my bandwidth.
Mail to abuse@ their IP got no response. So I blocked access from those 3 countries. The crap subsided. Most seem to be bots that try twice and give up. - iAlex, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Awesome website. =)
- superdoug, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0expensive, time consuming-USELESS
USEFULL- http://apache2triad.net/ - thejof, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4It's not that it's not "cool"... just don't expect uptimes of more than a few weeks.
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