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- EricMiIIer, on 07/10/2009, -0/+34Don't, there are enough of us already here.
- hantata, on 10/21/2008, -2/+34I don't have any of those skills... :(
- inactive, on 10/21/2008, -1/+3212) Making websites that don't suck.
- Quizboy, on 10/21/2008, -4/+20iPhone apps have nothing to do with web development :/
- DangerCollie, on 10/21/2008, -0/+14I'd agree with most of those, particularly the CSS/XHTML item. I've been trying for weeks to find a good web designer who knows what a standards compliant web site is and why standards are important. Half the time people will reply to ad without even reading it. I'll get table hacks, flash navigation, and the validator will paint the page red.
Unfortunately the designer has to work directly with our clients so I can use an outsource contractor located somewhere else. I usually advertise the positions in Craigslist, had good luck there. - inactive, on 10/21/2008, -0/+14CSS, HTML, XML, JavaScript, MVC Design Pattern not frameworks. Frameworks fall in and out of favor so often, if you know the fundamentals you can learn a framework. Not mentioned at all is back end server knowledge, J2EE or Dot Net. Also some graphic design knowledge on the front end would be nice. UI design, usability, etc.
This list completely lost relevance when Facebook/MySpace applications and Widget development were listed, especially as "most sought after". Most sought after by whom? Are you kidding me? - staplez, on 10/21/2008, -2/+15Oh god, nothing but buzz words. My EYES MY EYES!!!!!!
- bradleyland, on 10/21/2008, -0/+11Coming from someone who has been in the industry since 1999, weigh your decision carefully. If your intention is to do freelance work, skip it. Web development is still in its infancy. There are no standards, and customers cannot/will not/don't want to understand your product, so the better you get at your job, the more frustrated you will become when you have to quote against garage-based web developers offering "ecommerce websites, only $500!"
If you want to get a job at a company that has a website at the center of their business plan, keep in mind that there are far fewer "good" jobs than there are developers, so only the top developers get to work at shops where the work is fun or interesting. The rest of us are stuck grinding out yet another ecommerce, CMS, or attempting to realize some other guy's ill-conceived dream of what would be the next Google. Usually it's something stupid like offering a service that uses phone numbers as URLs, or even worse, a service that already exists but they're convinced is the "next great thing."
If there is one place where web development is really attractive, it is on the entrepreneurial side of of the coin. If you've got your own idea, and you're a smart, motivated person, it won't cost you much to try your idea (assuming you'll build it yourself). Just be sure you understand that running a business is running a business, regardless of what medium you operate in. Have a plan, talk to smart people, and hold your secrets close to your chest. - eSentrik, on 10/21/2008, -0/+10Gone are the days when you could get by with just some HTML and Javascript.
- blogfuse, on 10/21/2008, -1/+11That's the best part: Many are easy to learn!
- gobbleplex, on 10/21/2008, -0/+9Actually that's pretty much what #5 is. And yeah, people still hire for that.
- spinchange, on 10/21/2008, -3/+1111) bo-staff -or- nunchucks
- Zylog, on 10/21/2008, -2/+10What about ASP.NET, especially 3.5? Everything (pretty much) is provided out of the box. And don't tell me it is not «open source», http://mono-project.org
Although some argue that PHP is better, it is not considered so when you start talking about of what is provided "out of the box". I am a former PHP dev and have been in it for three years, and now moved on with my life to ASP.NET and the .net world and made a great decision. - videogamedieter, on 10/21/2008, -2/+9What about actually knowing how to design a site thats aesthetically and functionally pleasing?
- Czechxican, on 10/21/2008, -3/+10Hmmm....from half the websites that get submitted on digg, I'd say being able to make a slideshow of the top 25 cutest dogs or cheesiest movie cliches would be vital as well.
- inactive, on 10/21/2008, -1/+7You could just have a swf file, and then use the .htaccess file to make the web server recognize that file as the index file - that would eliminate all the HTML.
- inactive, on 10/21/2008, -1/+7Wow, what a worthless list.
First off, iPhone apps are often internet enabled (but not always). In any case, you don't use WEB skills to develop them. You might call/write a web service, big deal.
Also, you can lump Widgets/Gadgets/Flash all in the same boat, and noone really cares about them. There development is rare, since OSS has done almost everything you need at this point. If you want to write a Flash site to annoy people, more power to you.
No company would dare use any of the CMS systems they list for their business purposes. For external blogs, those developers would get paid a pittance. Fine by me if they want to be a blog developer. Big whoopie.
PSD to XHTML services = no one cares (no demand)
Facebook/MySpace applications = career suicide when the next social networking site comes along 4 years from now. - SethEllis, on 10/21/2008, -0/+5The premise of the article "there are certain types of jobs that are constantly in demand" couldn't be farther from the truth. All of the skills mentioned in this article are just trends. If your knowledge and skills are based completely on any one of these technologies you will be out of work in a year. Developers should focus on training their core skills. That way they can adapt to whatever comes along. In all honestly a good programmer could probably pick up any one of these technologies in a matter of days.
The article also fails to address the fact that the economic downturn WILL have an impact on developers. Most projects of this nature are outsourced to freelancers, or web development companies. With less venture capital floating around companies will not be able to shell out as much cash especially for extras like widgets. - LiquidDragon, on 10/21/2008, -5/+10This makes me want to start web development
- gobbleplex, on 10/21/2008, -1/+6Don't worry, by the time you learn them they'll be passe, and it'll be on to the next fad.
Know the basics and you can hop onto whatever ridiculous bandwagon comes by.
EDIT: Though, some of the things on the list are pretty basic... I mean, converting a PSD mockup to Markup? - strictnein, on 10/21/2008, -0/+5Maybe if you're on the coasts. That's not what people around me are looking for at all. Just got a new PHP/Web Dev job. These are the best skills to have, based on the inquiries of recruiters and hiring managers who called me:
1. ASP.NET - sorry, but it's true... and sucked for me since I have basically no ASP.net experience
2. Flash/ActionScript
3. Standards compliant XHTML and cross browser prettiness
4. JavaScript, especially AJAX and JQuery experience
5. Java/JSP
6. LAMP - inactive, on 10/21/2008, -0/+4Paper covers said bo staff and nunchucks.
- dogfood, on 10/21/2008, -1/+5Nice to see some love for Drupal, and Wordpress in the CMS section, but why is Expression Engine listed first?
Keep away from from proprietary CMSs. Nothing but frustration and heartache there. - dxgg, on 10/21/2008, -1/+5"...a good web designer who knows what a standards compliant web site is and why standards are important..."
Too bad you can't outsource. I've been a freelance web designer since 1997 and have been part of the growing "web standards" scene since its inception. I'm sure you could find dozens (if not hundreds) of capable standards-based designers, just like me, if only you could hire an off-site freelancer. - jjustin01, on 10/21/2008, -1/+5I'm sorry, but I don't think I could really agree with this. I'm gonna have to agree with a few previous posts.
This site makes no mention of learning the fundamental languages that drive the frameworks mentioned. If you don't understand PHP; Java; .NET; Pearl; Python; MySQL; MSSQL; etc., Oracle, how are you going to truly grasp a framework built on any of those languages? And, even if you could come to grips and hack together applications using those frameworks you are still lacking the knowledge and understanding why things are done specific ways when developing and designing applications. Without that fundamental knowledge, you will never become a good, and valuable, developer. The same applies to JavaScript plugins. Learn how to freakin' write JavaScript. Frameworks eventually die off so you can't rely on them forever. Eventually, your true skills will be tested.
And seriously, Facebook/MySpace apps? I'm sorry, but I do not see a huge list of companies demanding this one. - oblique63, on 10/21/2008, -2/+6dugg for Django...
- ozziek, on 10/21/2008, -0/+4Clients do not care about Ruby. They want a solution that works and delivers their requirements WHATEVER that may be. If that IS Ruby then great, if not stand aside. Stop approaching this from what a developer wants to dick about with this week and focus on the right solution whatever the language/platform.
- ivansotof, on 10/21/2008, -1/+4Agree.. I was like WTF when reading.
As a web developer I find that iPhone development is a completely different field. - dogfood, on 10/21/2008, -0/+3Sought after by the same marketing people who like obnoxious flash banners. Gimmicky crap sells to these guys.
- moltar2, on 10/22/2008, -0/+3That a designer's job. The article is about developers.
- wassim2k, on 10/22/2008, -0/+2These are all fads and low-end skills that won't get you a job/career, they'll just get you "gigs"
- CrushThemTorg, on 10/22/2008, -0/+2from pony import magic
- Zylog, on 10/21/2008, -0/+2And as a an aside, I am actually in development of a new ASP.NET Site manager that if very versatile and all functionality is provided in another sub-framework, thus it is a lot easier to also to make modules and do other tasks. Built-in AJAX ;)
- JedicodeWarrior, on 10/21/2008, -4/+6Flash? ActionScript? Gimme a break! Adding flash to a website is about as useful as adding an elevator to an outhouse. Not to mention that DOD networks block flash and shockwave content.
As for frameworks, they come and go like a fart in the wind. I'm sure these skills lists will be totally different next year. LatentVariable hit the nail squarely on the head. - dave122, on 10/21/2008, -0/+2yeah, that pretty much summed up what I was going to post.
- XxtraLarGe, on 10/21/2008, -1/+3Unless of course you develop web based iPhone apps: http://www.apple.com/webapps/whatarewebapps.html
- ozziek, on 10/21/2008, -0/+2.NET using CodeSmith and .NETTiers is superb and it's easy to get a web app up and running in minutes not hours or days.
- moltar2, on 10/22/2008, -0/+2Cant stand all the flash on all auto sites. Every time I need to lookup a model of some car, I hit a wall, a flash wall.
- KaivenTor, on 10/21/2008, -3/+5I have 7/10 of those. I wonder if I qualify for a raise...
- moltar2, on 10/22/2008, -0/+2Oh and as for technology you are speaking of - it's called JavaScript :) It's all possible already. For example look at jQuery UI
- moltar2, on 10/22/2008, -0/+2+1 Catalyst is the best and most thought-thru framework I've seen to this day. It's simple and flexible. Doesn't push any way of doing things on you, but yet does everything for you :)
- hawksfan03, on 10/22/2008, -0/+2probably would have helped if i replied to the right comment
- Narfmaster, on 10/22/2008, -0/+2Well you say that it's basic, but actually people can make some pretty damn complicated stuff in PS which is a nightmare to re-code in css and html. Can take days.
- CrushThemTorg, on 10/22/2008, -0/+1Dugg for JSON optimism and Dojo envy.
- bipolarruledout, on 10/22/2008, -0/+1So what your saying is that everything from 1995 is on the way out now?
- CrushThemTorg, on 10/22/2008, -1/+2Learn to use the Reply button, chief..
- ventralnet, on 10/23/2008, -0/+1you got me there. You could also make your own web browser that used your own format then youw ouldn't use html anymore either.
- Olfster, on 10/22/2008, -0/+1I don't waste time on BS websites and the morons that edit them amigo. Here is your reply button...
- CrushThemTorg, on 10/22/2008, -0/+1EE from version 2 on is supposed to be built from (open sourced) CodeIgniter, which means it should be very fast. Until then, no, I probably wouldn't recommend it on principle.
- kibbledbits, on 11/06/2008, -0/+1I'm a long time .Net programmer but for most people PHP or RoR will be more efficient to write web apps in. LAMP is a great platform for websites. J2EE and .Net are more desirables within an enterprise where things like LDAP integration, rules engines, clear separation, etc are a requirements of the architecture.
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