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- SuperSloth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16AJAX is certainly overhyped (like any Web 2.0 tech) but I wouldn't call it overrated. Just like Java or Flash, there's lots of pointless and stupid things you can do with it, but the ability to spend your bandwidth sending mostly data instead of resending all that formatting and layout garbage a hundred times an hour is great.
Do you digg stories without reloading web pages? Do you digg indivudual posts without reloading the whole page of 60 odd comments? Then you've used AJAX as it should be used. Much like proper CSS layouts and W3C compliance, AJAX done properly should be essentially invisble to your users, even though it offers all kinds of benefits they can appreciate. - jnorris441, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6500 fixes? Must have been pure ***** before.
Just kidding Ruby guys :) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Dogtown7, you can't think of one smart client app you use? Are you sure about that? Think hard.
- mcewen98, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4yes, http://www.rubyonrails.org/docs
- nimmer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3for running in production mode, it is.
but you better want to run your app in development mode with rails buildin webserver. it will reload your pages in runtime of your app - thundercleese, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Rails is the first framework I have ever installed. In addition, my first mySQL install was on the same day as my first rails install. I had RoR, mySQL, and webBrick up and running in about two hours on an XP machine.
- charged2885, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3yay polymorphic associations and rjs templates! rjs templates allow you to more easily update multiple elements after an "ajax" request.
- blugu64, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Try Instant rails....it's pretty much....instant.
seriosuly though you basicly unzip and double click, though you might have to change your path variable - psylence, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The biggest upgrade? It's the ONLY upgrade so far!
- Kam3k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2or if you're on OS X, Locomotive:
http://locomotive.raaum.org/home/show/HomePage - ohnnyj, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Rails has had AJAX support for a while. I have been playing around with 1.0 since December and like the framework a great deal. Ruby is quite an interesting beast but can make things quite enjoyable once you get the hang of it. One thing I did not like about the AJAX integration had to do with its non standards based implementation. I understand there is a tradeoff in complexity of the framework versious understandibility but nonetheless I will continue to incorporate Javascript techniques separately.
- jinexile, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3SuperSloth is correct, AJAX has re-invigorated our company's interest in web apps because to the user when they submit a form they don't have to wait until the next page loads to get feedback whether their data was saved or not, a lot like a regular application. Nor does it take forever to load and bog down slower systems like Java does.
Overhyped, not overrated. - chrysalis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Rails application can be run in Developpement mode (and the code is automatically reloaded, no need to restart the server) or in Production mode (caching of classes and pages is then enabled).
- gmailgeoff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Had I ever been able to get rails 1.0 up and running correctly (couldn't get mysql gem to install - tried everything, looked everywhere, never to any avail) I might be more excited about 1.1's release. I have to say, for all the promise of how awesome RoR is (and I'm hearing it, and I want to try it!) it has yet to yield any fruit here. I know: problem exists between keyboard and chair. But why should it be such a pain to get it up and running? PHP/mySQL/Apache is WAY easier to install, and PEAR is overflowing with framework help.
- Profiler, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5I mean.. Yes, added some more AJAX support and new features!
- jbond03, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1can someone tell me if its true you have to reload the webserver every time you change the control or code (i think you dont have to if you are using something like webricks while developing)
i may be totaly off here, it might something where the rails recognizes new database layout or something.. - Bishoco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3A guy arguing that AJAX isn't very useful while using website that makes fairly heavy use of AJAX isn't very convincing. And Google maps wouldn't be possible without Ajax.
- DukunSakti, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1> Just kidding Ruby guys :)
Just to alleviate a common misconception, Rails and Ruby are two different things--as I am sure you *already* know. For those who don't, Rails is but an application framework written in the Ruby language. - kevinclark, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Dude, even the Rails CHANGELOG has listings back to version 0.7.6 (we didn't hit 1.0 until just after the 0.14.3 RC versions). We didn't -start- at 1.0.
- smellinator, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Meanwhile Django delays...
- FZero, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Now let the hype flow in!
- professorhojo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1is there any documentation yet?
- Dogtown7, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Can't think of one smart client app I use...but I can name lots of browser apps though...good luck with that.
- concept10, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5This type of comment irritates me, first off "The biggest upgrade in Rails history" refers to the amount of new features implemented in the Rails package, not just for AJAX.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2for one Rails does not work this is a ***** joke right!
- q3ctf4, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5Ajax is way too overated in my opinion. I personally prefer developing smart clients than rather than browser based apps. Just makes no sense unless you have no other choice, I haven't yet had the need to do Ajax and can't understand why everybody gets so turned on by it.
- ph713, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3Everything has its place. If you're not a coder, and you can't be bothered to think for yourself, and don't mind being railroaded down the same train tracks as every other petty web app ever developed, just as long as you can do it quickly and relatively painlessly, have a look at RoR. It's like a set of legos for web apps. But only 4 types of brick exist, and you have a choice of one of 5 standard blueprints to pick from to build, or something like that.
If you want a real toolkit for real coders, that makes developing complex, original, unique web applications much saner and easier, while still giving you easy and complete freedom of choice in tools and methods, try Catalyst (http://catalyst.perl.org) - chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -15/+8because you can make calendars and to-do lists, i mean there soooo important.
now lets all go buy Macs and listen to Steve Jobs keynotes speeches in a starbucks. - Profiler, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2Yes, added support for AJAX and new features. Rails for everyone!
Power to the people! - CaptHarlock, on 10/12/2007, -15/+4Web 2.0 sucks, Rails sucks, Ruby sucks.... Krypton sucks.
GO TEAM NEGA-DIGG! - kevinclark, on 10/12/2007, -16/+4Never mind, his is to some random blog.. digg this one.
- chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -16/+2"The biggest upgrade in Rails history"
duh
now we can do what we have been doing for years only the page does not refresh, whoopie. - Dogtown7, on 10/12/2007, -15/+1oops
- kevinclark, on 10/12/2007, -18/+2Just saw the duplicate, wasn't there just before I submitted. Ignore this one.
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