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Linus Torvalds presents his views on C++

thread.gmane.org — ``C++ is a horrible language. It's made more horrible by the fact that a lot of substandard programmers use it, to the point where it's much much easier to generate total and utter crap with it. Quite frankly, even if the choice of C were to do *nothing* but keep the C++ programmers out, that in itself would be a huge reason to use C.''

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  • polterguy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2IF this REALLY is Linus Torvalds I must admit he just fell at least 15 000 feet on my "list of persons I admire"...
    First of all he totally flames another guy which obviously would feel VERY bad due to the fact that the "great guru" calls him a "*****"...
    Second of all he has just demonstrated a complete lack of competence in programing as an art form and basically stood out like nothing more than just a little "script kiddie" with no real knowledge about neither programming nor design...

    This is SAD... :(
  • pantuky, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Well, I am going to take a contrary view to the rest of you. About 16 years ago, as a student at UCLA, I took a hard look at C++. Back then we were all trying to strike it rich as Windows programmers. Windows represented a whole new world of opportunity. I had a background in C Forth and Assembler on the Commodore machines (C64 and Amiga) so I was no n00b when it comes to programming. I could tell within 5 minutes that I was going to hate C++. I struggled with it for about a year before tossing it aside for Object Pascal and then Delphi.

    I'm going to go on the record: C++ is a failed language. Most of the good programmers who claim to be C++ programmers have really been coding in C all along. Most apps that are allegedly C++ programs are really C programs. This code shows little use of C++ features. The yahoos trying to pose as hardcore C++ OOPS guys have made a lot of ghastly stuff with this language. Microsoft has probably held the foremost exponents of pure C++ coding over the years, but even their best creations (like MFC and ATL) have been seriously criticized by good critics for their ponderous overhead. A lot of those guys have defected to Java and C# today, and their reasons are simple: We ant to do better object oriented work.

    Straight up: Their are massive errors in the C++ spec, such as pre-compiling into C, supporting multiple-inheritance, and requiring manual memory management in the production of systems where object life-cycle is going to be complicated.
  • beplacid, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1This is OLD!

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