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- Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -7/+54I'd strongly disagree.
I'm a web developer, and I hate IE. It's a royal pain...BUT...
IE7 is light years ahead of IE6. It still has flaws to be sure, but it's much better than where we were.
I'm not sure Microsoft can do anything to ever get me to give up Firefox, but IE7 (and hopefully IE8+) at least give the pleebs -- who don't know enough to switch browsers -- a better web experience than what they had at this time last year. - OneManArmy, on 10/12/2007, -15/+53"IE7 still creating problems"
IE has to go. Or at least it shouldn't come pre-installed on Windows Machines. The internet will be a better place. - fiorenza, on 10/12/2007, -14/+50There was all this talk about how IE7 would fix so many issues, but very little of it came true, and IE7 causes just as many if not more problems with CSS than before.
- HarryBauzonia, on 10/12/2007, -5/+33Developers have to write web pages that work in ALL browsers. IE is unfortunately one of them. Dumb ass.
- appletalk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28@polymorphist
That's not even an IE7 feature. It's called ClearType, and comes enabled by default with IE7. To enable it for all windows, read this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306527 - Plasmatica, on 10/12/2007, -16/+32To, proverbially, polish the piece of *****...but it's still a piece of *****.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21As if developing for IE6 was not bad enough, now we have to develop for two distinctly different craptacular versions. Ugh.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15And despite what the "collective intelligence" of the web community says, about 85% of all traffic to non-techie websites is from visitors using IE. If you aren't keeping the average visitor in mind, you're going to have problems, Mr. Smarty.
- scoot2006, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10There w3c is w3c one w3c standard w3c for w3c all w3c browsers. And no, not everyone could just code, design, and make a website usable. Anyone can publish crap.
- canon66, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Yeah, all IE 7 did for me is that instead of 2 style sheets (primary rules and IE6 fixes), I need 3 (the other 2 plus some IE7 fixes). It's definitely an improvement over 6 but it's not what I'd hoped it would be. Here's hoping IE 7.5 will be something better (and here very soon).
- swingerbone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7well developers have to use what their users use... so until FF and Opera take the majority, Designers have to design sites that work cross-browser (and that includes IE6 and as more people upgrade or buy new computers, IE7). Sadly IE has the stranglehold because most average users use what they have and MS has the luxury of including IE with their OS. Apple does it with Safari. FF and Opera have to wait for people to either become fed up and switch or just become curious enough to try something new (and imho better).
- frobozz0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6As long as their policy includes automatic updates to correct these errors, we won't be stuck with as many people who are still (irrationally) clinging to IE6.
IE7 isn't great, but it's not the steaming pile of you-known-what the IE6 and earlier was. And yes, I am a professional web designer/developer with 9+ years of experience.
I was almost as happy when Netscape 4 was officially crossed off my list of "must support" browsers. - darushin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@HarryBauzonia
For now that may be true, but it is changing. I have been on 3 contract assignments in the last year as a developer and all 3 explicitly included in their specs that they must work with IE and Firefox. This means that while IE is still the driving force, Firefox is slowly starting to get noticed as a "must have" alternative which can hopefully lead it to becoming the "must have" minimum. - 35263526, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Don't get me wrong, the world would be a better place without IE (in any of its incarnations), but IE 7 is _far_ ahead of previous versions. They fixed PNG alpha-channel support and implemented proper CSS centreing controls. Those were my two biggest points of annoyance, so I'm relatively happy.
Still, just for the bandwagon, 'CURSE IE AND ITS ILK!!!'. - unruled, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I just failed a college project (along with 40+ others) because we were unable to get some things working properly in IE (even though our code is correct).
Thanks a lot microsoft. - TexanPsycho, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Surprised? We should all have Firefox or Opera (pref Firefox...).
- Alisic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I love the fact that the IE7 people took care to fix the PNG alpha transparency problem but still left the IE PNG gamma correction problem untouched.
I remember years ago reading the IE7 blog and for a moment there, I thought that they would really deliver an almost standards compilant which wouldn't cause too many headaches to us developers. But then I came to my ***** senses. - schoate09, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4They should do the ultimate. New kernel in Vienna, redo explorer.exe, eliminate the registry, do new APIs, eliminate DLL hell, new office codebase, new IE7 layout engine.
- ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I, too, am so SICK of non-existent browsers. They are all *****.
- Gizza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3They should just bundle FF with Windows, then everyone's happy. I'm sure they wouldn't be making much profit from IE anyways, at least compared to their other revenue sources.
- b0neman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Seriously, who was dumb enough to keep using IE7 after that update? I dutifully patched my XP Box with IE7 and choked hard when I saw that everything was unusable. I immediately went back to IE6 and now I almost exclusively use Firefox2.X now.
- scratched, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I never thought for a second that MS would move towards standards compliance in one version change. IE is too big a program that is too integrated with Windows to make a major change in rendering in just one version. The amount of work needed would be so much they would almost be better off just starting from scratch.
I do thank MS for fixing a lot of the problems they had in IE6. I know it isn't anywhere near perfect, but they're closer now than before. A lot of the websites I have worked on lately have rendered almost totally fine in IE7 using my standards compliant version. There are some tweaks that need to be made, but no where near as horrible as IE6. - pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"On a side note, you might have noted that the menus colors look differently."
Since when do menu colors have eyes? I love it when people try to sound smart by throwing adverbs around at random. - astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Wanna stop the headaches of IE for developers?
Here is what you do, get off the MS bastardized code wagon, and get on the compliant web code wagon. You pages
will be cleaner and load faster. Nothing like finding out a 'hello world' document created in a MS application is 90% MS code mock up to work with their office line. - ray73864, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Actually, with the release of IE7, Internet Explorer is no longer integrated into Windows, that is one of the first things MS decided to fix.
IE7 can't even access your harddrive as much as it used to, and it can't execute a lot of files like it used to be able to, IE7 was the first step at creating a browser that can't be used as a means of attacking a persons computer.
I for one prefer IE7, and yes, i do have the latest FF installed, but only for testing out websites that i create. I have also never had to use CSS hacks or javascript hacks in order to make the page render properly in all browsers. - rubah, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3It's not so much IE7 being light years ahead as IE6 light years behind by now
- astatine, on 10/12/2007, -18/+19No, IE can't go! How else could the average Windows user download Firefox or Opera?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Unknown283
You are clearly seeing this issue from a user perspective and not from the developer, I agree IE renders pages faster and FF is known to have more memory issues. But really who cares. FF just works for everyone. (user/developer)
And Im no Linux fanboy - Rkstar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Don't forget the fact that IE (both 6 and 7) has a problem displaying some jpeg's.
http://www.digg.com/microsoft/This_JPEG_will_not_display_in_Internet_Explorer_IE_Bug - cloudsoup, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Have you tried Firefox in the Acid Test?
http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/
Opera manages it best, I think. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Well really, all they had to do was mimic and steal from Firefox and Opera's perks. So basically... 99% from both.
Hey look, tabs! - TheG2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually...Firefox stole most of its ideas from Opera.
But thats ok, no one notices ;) - timwright12, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i'm a web developer and i understand the frustrations with IE like anyone; but the fact is that its the dominant browser with little signs of stopping so we have to deal with it. complaining isn't going to do anything since the majority of users don't care about the woes of the people that have to make the website since it looks exactly the same to them in the end. The main thing that pissed me off about the IE7 release was the promise of automatic updates that, for the most part, never happened and it's leave IE6 to still own the majority.
I really don't have a problem with my job being a challenge, if it was easy anyone could do it and as it gets harder and harder it'll be more important to have a good developer on staff.
so for now i'll just "shut up and code" - daedalus779, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4i'm actually pretty glad ie7 came out because my sites look identical in firefox and ie7 now.
- iepurilah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1IE will always create problems for developers...sometimes I think it has a mind of it's own and it has a little devil on the menu bar whispering "make this poor guy's life a living hell, please"
- keyo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0There already was a competing browser its called opera, they just suck at PR.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The different is XBOX 360 isn't a webpage, and that I specifically need that console to run specific games only available on that console such as Gears of War. The Xbox division is far removed from the IE division. You lose this one.
No one needs IE, they're just meant to think they do. - cortlandjim, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2never happen, don't forget Google gets paid by people viewing their *****, why would they flush 80% of their audience and profits down the *****?
- Imprint, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1IE7 is a huge improvement on 6, scare articles like this are just *****. It should read, IE7 causing problem for LAZY developers. People who want to rely on hacks and tricks to get the job done rather than a proper semantic structure to their code will of course find problems, but not just in IE7, FF is riddled with bugs and CSS glitches, yet people that bother to take these into account rarely have problems that aren't easily fixed.
Its just simply laziness on the developers behalf. If anything IE7 is a great addition as now the main problem is fixing the PNG support in ie6, which still needs a crappy solution to get working. - vertinox, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3@"whisperedlie"
Download it through a FTP command line ;) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6They have always done this what is your point?
- Seizure, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2IE is a bitch? Wow, didn't see that one coming...
- REEB, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0well the cause is that it is still beta software ;-)
alpha, beta ... no time for gamma yet ;-) - ElMoselYEE, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1it would be a bold move, but microsoft should drop support for older versions of IE. part of the reason ***** is only partly fixed is because they still aimed at making it compatible with sites designed using IE6, IE5.5, etc. If they just started from scratch and created a completely standards compliant browser, we would live in a more productive world.
- bitORlogic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0[Sam Jackson]
I'm sick of this *****' browser, on this *****' Internet!
[/Sam Jackson] - boonesfarm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Nice to see that Microsoft took my advice.
"On your next version of IE, please show me the optimal settings for all my navigation buttons and lock that sucker down like Fort Knox."
I never knew how easy browsing could be until I had forward/back, stop/refresh, and my homepage button at opposite ends of the command bar.
:( sarcasm (Honestly, I didn't mind ie6. Now it's all Firefox for me. Show me the man behind IE7 and I'll show you an idiot) - nephilimx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Unknown283:
Well from Developer view, Opera is better because you have all the tools installed and takes 2 clicks to bring up the whole menu of a dozen debug tools, without having to use and download plug-in's - uncoolcentral, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4IE7 = more headaches for my dev firm.
- BigglesPiP, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2To the IE bashers.
I've always believed that IE is quite essential to us Firefox/Opera/Other Minority browser users. It soaks up all the malware attacks for us, as Firefox becomes more popular (especially with large companies (French Police) using it) the browser will become more and more of a target.
Also, to the beginner, IE6 was very easy to use, and does all they need. I'm not sure IE7 is so simple to use however, it's trying to be an advanced browser too hard. Experts will migrate to Firefox if they want such a browser. - chaoskaizer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I hate IE but i can live with it. Good thing that IE7 have partial support for CSS2.1 selector.
btw the "expression()". its good thing but IMO its pretty much hazard for site than enable css edit. Whats the point of writing js in stylesheets.
Anyway here's a good lib full with all IE fix (lots of bug list at PPK has been fixed) . developed by dean edwards http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/
download at http://ie7.cvs.sourceforge.net/ie7/ save me lots of pulling hair.
I wish IE6 will disappear from the net. oh well claim it at jyte -
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