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- Acronym, on 06/01/2009, -5/+71Finally a good possibility to get rid of Adobe Flash... it's awful for hq video/hd, especially on linux..
- keyo, on 06/01/2009, -6/+59Looks like it will be another 5 years of "oh for ***** sake IE8". Yeah ***** you Microsoft, I'm sure I'm not just speaking for myself here.
- philodygmn, on 05/31/2009, -1/+33We need alpha awareness in video as just another presentation element so it can be stacked and interact with other kinds of content seamlessly, like SVG overlays dynamically driven by video pixels or background panels showing through transparent portions of the video. This would allow video to be integrated into an interface right alongside other types of elements. Without it, video remains consigned to a screenspace slug as the bottom layer obscuring all activity past itself.
- whatit, on 06/01/2009, -0/+31http://people.mozilla.com/%7Edolske/apng/demo.html - Animated PNG! This ***** is ***** awesome.
Sadly this probably the most exciting night I'm going to have all week. - whatit, on 06/01/2009, -0/+28http://www.dailymotion.com/openvideodemo for an example with no flash involved. Although I'm not a big fan of the ogg theora video quality. It's a shame that H.264's weird patenting issue fumbles it up.
- Recoil, on 06/01/2009, -1/+29Nice, I expect this to be implemented in web browsers in 2020. One has to be realistic :P
- commentbot, on 06/01/2009, -1/+25If I can set myself free from the Adobe Flash plugin, I'll adopt FreeBSD. It's the only thing that prevents me from adopting it.
- inactive, on 06/01/2009, -1/+25As a web developer, no he isn't, absolutely not..
I F#@%n hate IE - gamepr0, on 06/01/2009, -4/+25no because flash sucks on mac os x and linux
and it doesn't matter how much people hope it is thanks to their "superior" windows os that they have smoother flash, it isn't. - seenxu, on 06/01/2009, -0/+19hope someday we can finally get rid of adobe flash plugin.
- Moralogic, on 06/01/2009, -1/+19Agreed, and relating to this article, they will until they support HTML 5. It is depressing to see every other browser moving to HTML 5 while IE8 still doesn't take advantage of it.
- hitman47, on 06/01/2009, -0/+16Adobe: but but but.... wait don't leave flash!
- cyssero, on 06/01/2009, -0/+16My biggest problem with flash is that it doesn't take advantage of hardware acceleration. I've read up on it and apparently it *can* use it, but I've never seen hardware acceleration being implemented. So while my media centre can decode Blu-ray and 1920x1080 h.264, it has issues upscaling less than standard def flash video to 1920x1080..
- KAMiKAZOW, on 06/01/2009, -0/+16You don't have Firefox 3.5
- charlietuna, on 06/01/2009, -2/+18This is digg, please refrain from intelligent discourse. There are children present!
- DavidTurnbull, on 06/01/2009, -19/+34Microsoft sucks.
- counterplex, on 06/01/2009, -1/+15If Flash is a sticking point for you to switch to FreeBSD, chances are you're doing it wrong :) FreeBSD is probably much stronger as a server OS (read: commandline only) than as a desktop OS. For desktop use, stick to the distributions that actually target the desktop e.g. Ubuntu, Fedora, etc.
Just my $0.02 - whatit, on 06/01/2009, -8/+22Flash is able to use H.264 and AAC. Those are probably the best two lossy formats for media at the moment. The only reason you think that the video quality is bad is probably due to the bandwidth restrictions.
- DarkprinceArmon, on 06/01/2009, -3/+17I welcome the end of the Adobe Flash Player Plugin.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 06/01/2009, -1/+14All web sites using Flash with MPEG-4 should optionally offer also "pure" mp4 files that can be viewed with VLC's browser plugin or QuickTime or anything.
- zip000, on 06/01/2009, -0/+13Web developers in general hate IE I think. Right now, I've got separate stylesheets for IE6, IE7, and IE8 because they all do somethings wrongly, and they all do them wrong in a different way.
Now, 8 is much better than 7 and 7 is much much better than 6, but there is still a lot of annoying things that are different. So, my IE6 stylesheet is fairly long, IE7 is half that size, and IE8 is half that size again.
It would be so much better if they'd just use standards. - pw378, on 06/01/2009, -2/+13Microsoft will still suck, even if they adopt HTML5
- blackjack75, on 06/01/2009, -0/+10Awful on linux and mac too. Everytime I open a youtube video in full screen for the first time flash allocates itselfs a huge amount of memory which causes my poor laptop hd to nearly die of hardcore swapping.
- ers35, on 06/01/2009, -0/+10You need to install the Beta version(3.5) to use HTML5: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-beta.html
- alexp2ad, on 06/01/2009, -0/+10There's also a demo from YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/html5
- keyo, on 06/01/2009, -0/+10FTA:
" Microsoft's slowness to adopt emerging standards is probably the biggest hurdle that is impeding adoption of the HTML 5 video element. Microsoft is still struggling to implement long-standing Web standards, so it seems unlikely that the software giant will jump on board with a highly complex emerging standard that is still in the draft stage. Microsoft also has some competitive interests on the table that conflict with standards-based video efforts. Specifically, Microsoft is pushing its own Sliverlight browser plugin as an alternative. "
C'mon they're a huge company who easily have the resources to get their ***** in order. - mithrasinvictus, on 06/01/2009, -0/+10But they will suck a lot less if they follow current web standards, not just the ancient ones.
- blackjack75, on 06/01/2009, -0/+10Joke aside, Firefox has a considerable market share and most of its users have a strong tendancy to upgrade (as opposed to IE6 users who still plague the net).
Sure for explorer users one wil have to keep dealing video via flash for a long time, but that will only make the experience more enjoyable on other browsers. - tjsullivan1, on 06/01/2009, -1/+10http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/
It would be under the "Linux" selection. - inkswamp, on 06/01/2009, -0/+9Yeah, but the .05% of Web sites doing that can continue using it for that purpose. And maybe... oh, just maybe, the developers at those sites will be forced to notice that Flash is not a hammer and not every problem is a nail. Maybe they'll put some thought into their sites and come up with less resource-hogging solutions.
- Alphab, on 06/01/2009, -0/+9That was demo'ed a while ago at a WWDC, as part of "Quicktime 8" that was never released. Maybe it'll be part of the Quicktime X coming with Snow Leopard
- blastcube, on 06/01/2009, -3/+12***** Microsoft. They had better not try do attack the adoption of Open standards. Come and join the Open format movement Microsoft or Adobe. I'd be happy for either Silverlight or Flash to become the standard in HTML5 so long as the respective companies Open Source their formats.
/end of day dream - jorisb, on 06/01/2009, -2/+10I expect this much sooner, there's a big push these days for html 5. The days of supporting legacy browsers is going to be over soon.
Google wave relies heavily on html 5, youtube is starting to experiment with it as well. There's a good reason why google is coming out with their own browser, they're sick of having their products crippled my Microsoft's incompetence. - furntree, on 06/01/2009, -0/+8maybe HTML 5 video wont suck up so much of my processor
- shinkou, on 06/01/2009, -1/+9Good! Now we can get rid of Flash because of online video. The remaining problem is, are we going to see those Flash ads in this new format?
- jeremymccurdy, on 06/01/2009, -2/+9You do realize that Flash is used for more than just video, right?
- peestandingup, on 06/01/2009, -1/+8Good. Flash performance is sooo different on each OS, even using the same browser on the same system. Its clearly best optimized on Windows, a close 2nd is OS X & coming in dead last being barely even usable is Linux.
And since the web is pretty much reliant on it, its not like you can just say ***** it & not use it. I guess you could, but youd be missing out on lots of stuff. - diggan8, on 06/01/2009, -0/+6HTML5 and web-based operating systems.... FTW
- counterplex, on 06/01/2009, -1/+8Yes, yes you will. Hopefully the added semantics of HTML5 video will make it easier to block :)
- HonoredMule, on 06/01/2009, -1/+7What difference would it make? That just means Adblock+ won't be out of work yet.
- senae, on 06/01/2009, -0/+6This is someone who's never had to develop a webpage.
Try not to point and laugh, it's not his fault. - heyimfromreddit, on 06/01/2009, -0/+6That, my friend, is your browser's problem. And since HTML 5 is an open standard (unlike Flash) directly implemented into the browsers, they can all battle it out to be the fastest at rendering HTML 5, which is an inevitable win for the end user.
- dn11, on 06/01/2009, -1/+6and people wonder why apple is holding out on flash for iPhone? because they know it will become irrelevant soon enough. Webkit and iPhone will fully support HTML5. I think google and apple are working to double team MS and Adobe out of the plugin business.
- Ming0, on 06/01/2009, -0/+5There's even an Open Video Conference in NYC on June 19-20 that's going to have all the big players in the field: http://openvideoconference.org
- Philbert, on 06/01/2009, -0/+5That video looks nice, but no full screen option?
- nullity, on 06/01/2009, -0/+4You mean like this demo by Mozilla's Chris Blizzard where he uses JavaScript in worker threads to programmatically detect motion in a playing HTML 5 video?
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/02/mo ...
Yeah, it does that. - inactive, on 06/01/2009, -0/+4Just to prevent confusion, I want to clarify that FreeBSD is not a Linux distribution. Someone who doesn't know any better might read your comment that way.
- DBeta, on 06/01/2009, -0/+4Big Buck Bunny(An attempt at an open sourced 3D animated short) looks great in 1080P ogg Theora. Perhaps the filesize per quality doesn't compare to the likes of divx(which has always had fantastic quality for size), when you need a standard format free of license issues, you don't have a lot of choice.
- HueytheFreeman, on 06/01/2009, -0/+4@cyssero
Hardware acceleration occurs as a 'switch' when publishing the flash file into a swf, which is why most swfs don't seem to do anything with it. Actionscript 3 may also be able to manipulate how to do the acceleration. - AngelBunny, on 06/01/2009, -0/+4there, disabled.
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