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- verifex, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22We should welcome more projects like this, most people who need open source software have no problem checking multiple sites for open source projects. I know I already check http://www.sourceforge.net and http://www.freshmeat.net for all my open source needs. If all else fails I can just google +"open source" and whatever kind of software I'm looking for
- betterth, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15@Mathiasdm
Sounds you're playing the "steriotypical hey it's cool to hate web 2.0" game. Why wouldn't you want a web 2.0 bug tracker?
Have you even ever worked on a peice of software that utilized a bug tracker quite heavily? I've been QA for quite some time and I must say, having an Ajax driven bug tracker would be really nifty. I bet it could cut down on a bunch of down time that I spend searching for issues, and could make organization much easier. - somerandomnerd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14I never dig anything with CAPITAL LETTERS in the title.
It's not much of a principle, but it's mine. - gmillerd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Google's internal source sharing / bug tracking system is amazing. Pushing some of that out to the masses would be awesome.
I am not thrilled with sourceforge, I don't know many projects that use it for more than a download and hosting location like freshmeat with a website. I would love to see a CPAN for applications, that would rock. - niczar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Sourceforge's bug tracking is quite bad; and slow.
- Atomic1fire, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7sourceforge is only good for downloading because the servers are up most of the time but the site is ugly like a grey wall that your forced to stare at while you wait for a tv show to come on
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Wouldn't it be reasonable to conclude that instead of Google making a Sourceforge competitor, they simply make a version of their search engine that searches open source code? People seem to forget that Google is a search engine at heart.
- vdxc, on 09/29/2008, -0/+4yes, but hopefully if Google creates it, Google hosts it (hopefully). SourceForge.Net is good, but it's as slow as hell sometimes and the 'down for maintenance' days are also pretty annoying. Not to mention the adverts and the login system.
- monduntu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Why does it need a Web 2.0 interface?
any web app could benefit from it if it was to be executed properly, a more responsive web app without having to refresh will be a big plus in usability , just imagine bugzilla without the refresh , man that would be heaven , I hate having to wait for that long list of bugs to load every time I flag a bug to a certain status or If I were to check the details of a bug then return back to the list. with a web2.0 interface that list could be loaded into a client side cache , similar to gmail where only new mail will be fetched from the server , but nevertheless this is a subjective argument , I respect your opinion its just that this is mine and a whole lot of other people as well. - drewthaler, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13Oh man. Something like SourceForge, sure, but what if it actually included a really good bug tracker? All the really great ones out there are proprietary and expensive -- or simply not for sale, like Apple's Radar. And all the free ones universally suck. Oh, they get the job done, but it's a huge pain.
A Google-authored tracker with a Web 2.0/Ajax interface could truly be a killer app. Instant searching, a responsive interface, filtering, similarity, etc... please, dare I hope? - verifex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think since it is google, it's not unreasonable to think that they probably will leverage their search engine results to somehow fill out a open source repository to some degree. And I think most people here will agree that the search engines for sourceforge and freshmeat could definitely do with some "Google" magic. So, I'm all for this.
Yeah it will take away from sourceforge and freshmeat, but maybe it will encourage a little healthy competition which will improve those two. We all gain from more open source software 'exposure' such as Google stepping up to the plate here. - eurleif, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7More importantly, what the heck does "bweh" mean?
- kozie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yes because the only thing Microsoft did wrong was "cover a lot of territory"...
- kudos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4If they put up something like Trac/SVN i'm sold.
- evilgod69, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6it could be a msdn clone for open source? i keep hearing random developers here and there crying about how their is nothing like the msdn for Linux. meh only time will tell.
- Commodore128, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This could be a very good thing. Source Forge is a nightmare to navigate.
- babbling, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sensible people do not dislike Microsoft for releasing lots of products.
There are good reasons for people to dislike Microsoft:
- They put pressure on people to use their products because they use their large market share to push out proprietary file formats, codecs and protocols (DOC, WMV/WMA, .NET, DirectX, etc) that only Microsoft software is allowed to use. They sometimes use software patents to help make sure that no one else may use these formats/codecs/protocols.
- Their software isn't very good. (although I think this one is a bit silly, because people should just use something else if they don't like Microsoft software)
- Their general support for software patents as a method of preventing competition is disturbing:
"If people had understood how patents would be granted when most of today’s ideas were invented and had taken out patents, the industry would be at a complete stand-still today. The solution … is patent exchanges … and patenting as much as we can… . A future start-up with no patents of its own will be forced to pay whatever price the giants choose to impose. That price might be high: Established companies have an interest in excluding future competitors." - Bill Gates, 1991
- They try their best to lock users into their solutions. For example, Hotmail doesn't allow forwarding, whereas Gmail does. So if I want to switch from Gmail to Hotmail, Google will allow me to do that. If I want to switch from Hotmail to Gmail, Microsoft won't let me have my mail forwarded. This is a nasty tactic and in the long term I think it will harm Microsoft and benefit Google.
People trust Google because Google doesn't screw them over. - gregorrothfuss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2sourceforge has financial problems, and it makes sense to think about the post-sourceforge world:
http://greg.abstrakt.ch/archives/2005/10/preparing_for_the_postsourceforge_world.html - CableGuy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Remember, that Sourceforge also has their "Bigger Brother," Sourceforge Enterprise Edition. I know of a couple companies that use it, and it seems to work really well. The new Sourceforge is written in java, and is totally different from the PHP based SF.NET that most of us have grown to love.
http://www.sourceforge-enterprise.com/
is a live site that they use for their own product development, and it's got bug trackers, cute little graphs, and things of that nature. Now, only if it had some of the communications type things that BaseCamp has, then it would totally rock in my world.
They have a VmWare Image that you can download and play with; however, VmWare doesn't make a player for OS X, and Qemu can't seem to open their image file just right, so...who knows. - flake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Like most of the other google services I'm sure, yes, that it will be free as in beer.
Would you like some cheese with that? Anyone else? I'll pass the tray around. :) - babbling, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I agree that an "MSDN clone" would be undesirable. MSDN isn't very pleasant to deal with, but the general idea is a good one. There really should be a general documentation website for Free Software.
Have you ever tried getting started as a Free Software developer? Finding out about the various libraries, how to use them, and general conventions used (eg. GNU autotools, how to build a deb package, how to write a man page, etc) isn't very welcoming. There's heaps that could be done to improve this, and if the situation were improved, I have no doubt that there would be a lot more people writing Free Software.
I think there is room for a website that puts everything in one place:
- Tutorials on how to do very specific things (eg. "making a deb package for your project")
- Guides on commonly used libraries (eg. "Getting started with GTK: concepts and structure")
- Full API references (eg. "The GTK Reference Manual")
- Small example programs - springfield, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4@drewthaler
Ever heard of Bugzilla (http://www.bugzilla.org/)? - drewthaler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ah, but it's now July 2006 and things have changed since October 2005. LNUX shares are up to 4 again and the company has been turning a stronger profit than before ($6.3M/Q compared to $4M/Q when you wrote that). Analyst opinion is generally "buy" - 2.0 on Yahoo's scale - with a mean target of 5.5.
That's not to say that Google shouldn't enter. VA has pretty much let SF.net languish, and the Enterprise version (which I've used at work) is very powerful but also contains a lot of weird boneheadedness that seems slow to get fixed ... typical behavior when there isn't much competition in the space. - drewthaler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yes, I have heard of Bugzilla. I was including it in the list of free ones that universally suck. Seriously - if you've used a really good tracker you're painfully aware that Bugzilla doesn't measure up.
It gets the job done, sure. But that's just the minimum requirement. :-) - bestechgear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1there is a lot of whitespace on sourceforge right now ;)
- dankelleyns, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2No, SF doesn't do this. They have something called a compile farm, though, on which you can do test builds ... providing that the machines will let you log in, which is a hit and miss affair.
- danco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The only two reasons that I use SourceForge anymore are that people expect open source projects to be there and it is nice to have download mirrors and download tracking. If it wasn't used by absolutely everyone, I wouldn't feel much need for the latter as I could track my own downloads. The site is pretty much unusable at it's current state. If you don't believe me, try creating a file release. I got so sick of them that I actually created a script that goes in and does the 8 or 9 stupid steps it takes to create a file release.
If Google could create a fully featured system that was pretty and easy to use, it could be a great boon to developers. If nothing else, it might scare SF to get their crap together. - engtech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I put together a list of Google Code - Project Hosting features at:
http://engtech.wordpress.com/2006/07/28/google-code-project-hosting-a-replacement-for-sourceforge/ - siliconglen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Personally, I prefer the crowded source model such as http://www.cambrianhouse.com/ are advocating
- macatak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Does sourceforge do automated builds and application hosting? Now that would be something (maybe it already is :)
- mooninite, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Good projects run by intellegent people only use SourceForge for the hosting.
They usually use their own website, own bug tracker (Bugzilla), and their own wiki.
If Google puts anything out it won't be anything but a toy. I do not see anyone using it for professional purposes. - Metasquares, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0So they're going to call it "Kroogle"?
- S1mba, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated into the Google borg. Everything that everyone else does, we will copy. Soon we will have our fingers in every little piece of the Internet pie. Yesterday PayPal, tomorrow SourceForge... And the next day, the world!
- rorian, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5Do we really need something like MSDN? Personally I find the MSDN website to be a bit slow and clunky, while googling for is very quick and usually provides great information and useful examples.
What would this Linux MSDN clone cover anyway? C? C++? The kernel?
Also, googling for java + almost always returns a great reference as the first article, and java almanac + returns fantastic examples every time.
I'd just like to see a Google-brand Linux distro.. just a nice alternative to Ubunutu (which is already a fantastic distro), but with a google version of aptget/pkgadd/yum/rpm or whatever, that uses super-fast Google mirrors.. I know the last thing we need is another Linux distro, but I think google could bring something pretty nice to the table.. - mdaniel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0The catch to such a massive documentation effort is not the hosting, or the web app that delivers it or any such garbage.
The catch to such a massive documentation effort is that it is a _massive_ documentation effort.
Right now, FOSS contributors can spend their time making the toys or spend their time documenting the toys, but not both. Microsoft (and developer.sun.com, for that matter) has extensive technical writer resources they can lob at this problem. I can appreciate the need to have such a wide and comprehensive documentation resource, ala MSDN, but it's a resource allocation issue. - matthewecornish, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Why not work with SourceForge... and not against it? Has to be easier than starting a new setup from scratch...
- Granat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1This will take off. I predict that they will be offering a money contest for the best projects in various categories; they have done similar stuff in the past. Google better watch out, if they cover too much territory people will start to hate them like Microsoft.
- mellowsoon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4I really like Google as a company and everything, but I'd rather see them support sites like Source Forge, to make them better, than create their own thing and and bury all other sites.
- Atomic1fire, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4google radar a great name for it
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Yeah, besides, I like the cozy little interface when I download an obscure library off of Sourceforge. You get to the download page where it says to pick your mirror and there's all the cute cudly college mascot icons where the servers are hosted.
I always pick Minnesota if it's up. Go, gopher, go! - jon419, on 10/12/2007, -10/+8Who cares. This one is getting more diggs, so I digg this one. Also, it looks like the digger took more care and time in posting this story instead.
- binarymelon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1If google does release a Linux OS, it will be an Ubuntu offshoot as that is what they are using internally. I believe there was some buzz on this back in the Fall or around the New Year. If Google wasn't planning a SourceForge competitor, I'm guessing they are now.
- Brahma, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Rightly said..I don't see the reason to have yet another Open source community unless they do something really new here. Maybe Google's engineers create an open source project for their..hmm..aargh..ugh..yes I said it.."SEARCH ENGINE".
And whatever they choose to name it pls. add the eternal Beta to it. - TimRogers, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2This would be so great.
- im12env, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1 haha oh and Check this out
http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Google_offers_live_traffic_maps_on_cell_phones - im12env, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Talk about busy, Ive heard of google earth but this is rediculous!!! Soon it will be "GOOGLE EARTH" haha
Here is another one.
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyID=2006-07-25T101633Z_01_N25413151_RTRUKOC_0_US-TELECOMS-GOOGLE-TRAFFIC.xml - Trynemjoel, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Hopefully they can make a great site for open source, I've never found the Source forge site all that organized :) Maybe Google can manage less advertising as well :)
- rorian, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Ugh, digg ate my triangle-bracket 'insert stuff here' text.. damn you digg!
- DuoPros, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5I can't believe i still have to tell people theres a 'duplicate' button.
When will people learn. -
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