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- deadowl, on 10/11/2007, -4/+18Eclipse, overall, I find it a good IDE, although it has spats where it freezes for a few seconds on me. Aside from the spats, the JDT kicks ass, but it make all the other plugins (and I'm more specifically referring to the CDT) look bad. If the kernel team for Linux start using Eclipse, I'm really hoping someone will pimp the ***** out of it... getting rid of the damn freezes and making a decent CDT plugin.
- bpapa, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Even though I'm a Java dev, I'm gonna digg down yodug's comment because it has nothing to do with the topic at hand and is only going to start a bitch-fest.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10First: Eclipse and .NET aren't competetors. Visual Studio and Eclipse are.
Second: If you think any IDE even comes close to Visual Studio, you've obviously never seen Visual Studio, let alone used it. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10It actually ships working right out of the box. ;)
- Demonmonger, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Eclipse is awesome with the Flex Builder plugin. Blows ajax toolkits out of the water.
- gharding, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8If you're just doing Java, go with Netbeans or IDEA. Netbeans totally overtook Eclipse on version 5.0. 5.5 is just great. It's especially nice if you work with EJB3.. so easy to get your EJBs, entity classes, and faces all set up.
- Mardala, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6http://www.eclipse.org/pdt/index.php
If you want to use php with eclipse I'd start here. They are working at making it more of an ide here. - xnguyen, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Another issue I have with Eclipse is there are just too many views/windows/perspective/editor panes, and doc-able panes, more panes hiding in tabs, and much more pains scattered everywhere. They need to create a cohesive UI. "Think Apple" Eclipse team when designing the next release. Lighten and abstract the UI to make it simple. Have more context sensitive displays to hid all the "views" to cluster our desktop. My screen res is 1680x1050 and Eclipse seems to have not enough room.
- jorgepblank, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4@yodug007: ...They don't compete
- Falkon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I agree 100% with this statement. Eclipse is really only good for being usable for a lot of languages.
- ganlet, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Eclipse has been one of my favorite IDEs of all time regardless of language, Its more difficult in the beginning than some simpler ones but once you get comfortable with its features its amazing.
- kRabbit, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Unfortunately, I'm forced to use Eclipse at work. Eclipse is nothing compare to the latest Netbeans or the amazing IntelliJ IDEA! Eclipse seems to have quite a few problems indexing the code when you're working on large applications. And where is my middle click? Why do I have to perform acrobatics with my fingers to do the simplest shortcuts? F3 to open declaration? Honestly, my hands are no where near the function keys.
- bpapa, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I really think that requirement is dumb. Setting up an IDE is difficult for beginners, and has little to do with learning the basics of programming. If your school is doing Java, I think they should be doing just command-line stuff via text editor for the first year. IDEs can come later.
- polymorphist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I'm sure the kernel team are more of vim or emacs type...
- pivovy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5NetBeans includes a fine gui builder, you don't even have to install any plugins, it works "right out of the box". I think NetBeans is better if you want to avoid all the mess and get started real fast.
- simianstyle, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5I do all my rails developing on this, sooooo fanboys: hop on board!
- Falkon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4My school forces all freshmen to use Eclipse. I used to like it, then I used some other stuff like DevC++. Whenever I have to do Java GUI stuff I just use Netbeans, their GUI builder works better in my experience. For everything else, it's either Notepad(++) or DevC++ for me. Oh well, different things for different people.
- gluon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Eclipse has tons of great features but is unfortunately slow and bloated. Par for the IBM software course.
- orlyfactor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Watch out for the WebTools JSP editor. It's a stinking piece of ***** that will lock up your machine every time you want to edit a JSP that's more than 100 lines long.
- bpapa, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5I haven't used NetBeans in a few years, but when I did it was the least favorite of mine when it came to the main Java IDEs (Eclipse, NetBeans, and IntelliJ IDEA). IDEA is probably the best, but it's not free. Eclipse has a massive community behind it creating all sorts of plug-ins out the ying-yang. Not sure what the advantage of using NetBeans is.
- TypeEE, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Ctrl+1 is just one important one
These are other ones that I use daily:
Ctrl - space: for suggestion to complete your method call
Ctrl - Shift - t: jump to a class
highlight a variable, Ctrl -shift -u then press i, gives u all the reference of a variable in the same class
in debug mode, highlight a variable or expression, ctrl shift i will evaluate and display its context - bpapa, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2What a stupid comment. Even the biggest Apple hater would clamor to have the UI skills that Apple exhibits.
- xnguyen, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Has anyone tried developing their own plugins or RCP base application using Eclipse? I've been doing it for a while now and it's still hard after 3 years and not getting any easier.
- rip747, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Eclipse + CFEclipse + Aptana + XMLBuddy = ColdFusion development bliss!
- bpapa, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2The last time I used IntelliJ (a little over a year ago), I thought it was better than Eclipse as an everyday IDE. However, Eclipse's community provides so many plug-ins, that I think it's an excellent free alternative that can be better in some ways.
I'd say only get IntelliJ if your boss is paying for it. :) - harbrut, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5I have to agree: netbeans wins when it comes to Java IDE's. Eclipse has been nothing but trouble for me. It's nice that you can stick everything in Eclipse, but when I write java code, I want a really good Java IDE, not adequate all-in-one IDE.
And the perspectives drive me CRAZY!!!! - mohamedmansour, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I really like netbeans, and I like eclipse. If both software merge into one it would make it one badass IDE. Each has its major advantages and disadvantages.
- realbeandip, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5This article is basically useless... if you know ANYTHING about Java you can jump in and start using eclipse.
Eclipse is an amazing piece of software, without a doubt the best IDE out there at any price. Most important keystroke ever: Ctrl+1 - if you learn one shortcut, that's the one you need.
I do have to say though, the GUI builder is a weak spot. My dream IDE would be Eclipse, with the GUI builder lifted from Netbeans. - dave8555, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2If his school is anything like mine, they use Eclipse in the intro to programming classes and then move to command line on Linux in the higher level classes. Eclipse really only requires a download then extraction to a directory to run.....
- xnguyen, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Learn the power of CTRL+Space young Jedi when your over a char on the editor. CTRL+Space will save you fast amounts of time.
- Noobuntu, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3My favorites are NetBeans BlueJ edition for beginners, or just regular NetBeans for everyone else. :) I like the layout and features.
- zombo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1No, the main feature of intellij is that does whats its supposed to do without continually hanging. You get what you pay for.
- boredsam, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3I've been using eclipse since 03 and it's been pretty solid. Recently though, I've heard a lot about IntelliJ and if I could some how justify the $400 price tag I might get around to trying it.
- duyleq, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I used to code Java with Eclipse IDE, a must-have IDE
@nice tutorial friends - TypeEE, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I second that Mylar plugin is amazing. Although it is slow, but it save you so much time in the long run. It is awfully hard to remember which class is related to what and mylar saves my time.
- Circuitsoft, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Absolutely. Add in cscopetags and using it as an editor from ddd, and you can't beat it. Especially if you're running low on RAM. (I find Eclipse takes >600MB ram)
- Archon810, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I can't live without it developing for Perl either. If anyone hasn't tried it yet, the plugin is called Perl E.P.I.C. http://e-p-i-c.sourceforge.net/ A-*****-mazing.
- skipunk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I agree with Blacky. I am just wrapping up my internship right now, and I developed a pretty substantial RCP application. I will admit that it is a bit of a daunting framework to jump in to, but once you get the hang of it is a great and really powerful framework. I have become a really big fan of their plugin architecture as it allows for easy modularization of components.
- tomislav555, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Just started using Eclipse for my python project. I'm using the pydev plugin, and quite satisfied the way it's working. It matches VS 2005 in every aspect. cheers
- theNthDoctor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Really? What box? Never heard of this "box" of which you speak :) For me, on Fedora, it's totally useless... but I admit that I am not an IDE kinda guy, I only turned to it hoping that I could learn Java by practice the same way I learned VB by practice. Pretty horrid when I had a much more successful time with the VBA Script Editor that ships with MS Office, than I've had with the supposedly-best IDE available on Linux. Nonetheless ... I will read this 'Getting started' article tomorrow and maybe have an epiphany moment.
- courtarro, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Step 1: Buy another 1GB stick of ram ...
- daftman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1THis happens to me as well. Eclipse just freeze for a few seconds or so everytime I try to ctrl+c (copy) and ctrl+v (paste)
- gerriediaz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1IBM server bows down to digg effect??
- cloudyprison, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4Great program. However, I haven't had a chance to mess around with the PHP plugin.
A little bit snippy to get started, but if you can't figure that out, you shouldn't be programming. - realbeandip, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You're kidding right? It comes pre-compiled and ready to roll. Have you looked at the eclipse.org website recently?
- Error601, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It generally works right out of the box if you happen to only be using it on a single user windows machine. Try to use it on a unix box with a shared J2EE server. Trying to edit and build without the GUI was also a pain.
- Error601, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You can't really jump in and start using it unless you use someone else's pre-setup distribution which are only available and a very limited number of platforms. Otherwise, it's a day's work to get it compiled and add all the modules. That's if you're lucky enough to have all the libraries it needs. It's a huge weakness to have platform specific code in the modern day of Java platform independent code.
- Falkon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1They make you do command line compiles for your hello world program and then two afterward, then it's all into eclipse. That's after making it easier too. Though, our intro class is just one semester. Linux and C aren't until third year. Most people who got into linux changed majors...it's sad, really.
- Error601, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Take a look at the netbeans plugins. There's the standard C/C++ pack and then a whole host of other ones people submitted. It's relatively easy to extend the IDE yourself too.
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