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- ell0bo, on 10/26/2007, -21/+381Sure I'll digg that, and not just because I spent an hour today figuring out how to work around a bug in IE...
- dpcamp, on 10/10/2007, -23/+262here here.. sick and tired or catering the IE's crap browser.
- bfaulk04, on 10/10/2007, -14/+208i'll digg this with a passion, but sadly it won't do a whole lot
- tbb9216, on 10/10/2007, -14/+192seriously - im in an 8 week project that should be a year long, my team and i can develop it fast enough, but its tweaking it for IE that pushes us up to the deadline.
- quomen, on 10/10/2007, -12/+146Digg this if you're tired of IE costing you money:
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/download.html?product=firefox-2.0.0.6&os=win&lang=en-US
http://www.opera.com/download/ - Phocion55, on 10/10/2007, -13/+140Just another reason why no one should trust Microsoft with standards.
Office XML, I'm looking at you...........
10%-15% of the examples in their Office XML specification didn't even validate as valid XML! - joshuaer, on 10/10/2007, -15/+128great idea i am really sick of IE trying to fix stuff just for windows ie, nothing ever seems to work the first time you program it. i know My Ajax menu i just built works just fine in Safari ( mac and windows ) Firefox ( mac, windows linux ) Opera ( mac and windows ) yet my drop downs all are aligned wrong in IE.
It also drives me up the wall that some sites are now not allowing FireFox and Safari to view them. We all picked the standards we all of our programming follows the guidelines and all the web browsers follow them every one other then Microsoft.
The web2.0 site i am working on right now will not offer any support for IE you can view the site in it but it will look all messed up. I do not see why i should create a whole new site just to work on IE when it works fine on all the other ones.
my new computer is now 100% microsoft free!!! - Chewie67, on 10/10/2007, -7/+71Great idea, but I'm not sure it will work.
After all, is Digg's CSS and XHTML full of hacks to make IE work? If not, no one at Microsoft will see this... - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -9/+66Digg uprise kill IE let's make it happen
- jakecigar, on 10/10/2007, -14/+70IE can't even get the String.split correct! JavaScript is a joke. CSS is MeSsy! XSL is horrible. And their version of HTML is beyond comprehension!
Death to Microsoft! - canthraxp, on 10/10/2007, -6/+53Absolutely dugg. Here is some evidence why EVERYONE should digg this, the acid test results:
http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/acid/
Notice that:
Opera 9 - Perfect result
Firefox 2 - Some bugs
Firefox 3 (predicted) - Perfect
IE 6 & 7 - Just sad. - ghall, on 10/10/2007, -23/+69I make websites occasionally, and I absolutly REFUSE to go out of my way to make them compatible with IE.
Dugg! - twoboxen, on 10/10/2007, -5/+49Registered just to digg this post. I hate IE. I display a message on my personal sites to please use a standards compliant browser.
- secretmode, on 10/10/2007, -13/+56sure why not. But fixing stuff in IE costs about 10% extra time if you know your *****...not 70% anyways.
- zyklon, on 10/10/2007, -3/+46Now THIS is a movement I can get behind!
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -6/+42I don't really see how digging this will change anything. Most of digg users already using non-IE browsers. This is basically like most of those online petitions. Useless.
- soopafly, on 10/10/2007, -3/+39Time = Money
- valadil, on 10/10/2007, -7/+41I've already stopped supporting IE in my personal sites. Gotta support it at work though :'(
- phogasmic, on 10/10/2007, -5/+38I am in the middle of fixing two sites to work with IE6 and IE7 ( SHAME ON YOU MSFT! ) They promised us that IE7 would be easier to develop for, they lied. It is just a shinier bag of *****.. with tabbed browsing. Its frustrating... Therefore, I pledge that on my personal website redesign......... I WILL USE WEB STANDARDS and if they don't work in IE7 or IE6 then those users will have a degraded experience. That is fair because they are using degraded browsers.
Just like on TV, those with HD TVs can watch widescreen, high definition television shows, those who don't can't its just that simple. - creativesignals, on 10/10/2007, -4/+35what is most frustrating is the comments on here like 'I like IE7, all looks good to me'. Well, yea, it does, but thats because developers like us work our asses of to make things look decent in IE, we just don't want to have to make that effort because someone flies in the face of standards.
- rasterbator, on 10/10/2007, -4/+32I believe the reason Apple released Safari into the Windows world is that they believe it is taking too long for Firefox to takeover market share from IE. By entering the PC market, I think their intention was to get users away from IE, and not to take users away from Firefox. As well they also wanted to show PC users another compliant browser, and get Software Update on PCs.
I hope they succeed. Download Safari. And if your parents or friends are not the types to switch browsers, download and install it for them and REMOVE IE. Tell them that the result will be less spyware on their machine (which is true), and they will say GO FOR IT! - robzbd, on 10/10/2007, -1/+26Check your web stats... if < 1% of your traffic is from MS/IE then screw the hacks... If all your traffic is coming from IE then, well, ouch.
- Phocion55, on 10/10/2007, -3/+27How's the weather in Redmond, Washington today?
- stutimandal, on 10/10/2007, -3/+26Yes I am sick of Fixing Bugs for IE too.
Please let's start a revolution and make Ballmer sleepless. - ucg1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+22Releasing Safari for Windows may have something to do with iPhone/iTouch. Maybe its for web developers to make sure their pages work with Safari and to a lesser extent to push towards standards compliant web pages so that Safari on iPhone/iTouch/Mac OS do work correctly.
- foomojive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+23< !--[if IE] > a bunch of hack styles that took me a really long and frustrating time to figure out and make my otherwise enjoyable job a pain in the ass < ![endif] >
- rYno, on 10/10/2007, -2/+23well I'll send my shout out against IE but getting the general public to understand and then reason with any said movement... good luck... but I'm with ya.
- ddrace, on 10/10/2007, -1/+21"Hear, hear"
- tnoy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+22The problem isn't using it, the problem is developing for it.
- scoot2006, on 10/10/2007, -6/+26So is IE 7
- UKJonny, on 10/10/2007, -7/+26IE is an absolute nightmare and a discrace to web standards. It's a shame the ordinary user doesn't see the trouble us developers must go through to get things to look acceptable in their awkward IE browser. I too would support the banning of IE browsers on websites as I feel its about time we stepped up to educate the general user and show them that they really should be brave and try a different browser instead of using the default crap installed on their windows OS.
- pauleric, on 10/10/2007, -3/+21So will be IE 8
- TheSmiddy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+19however IE9 will only be considered a mild disappointment
- boxxa, on 10/10/2007, -6/+23That is one reason I don't like to develop websites, esp CSS based ones to standard. It can work beautiful and setup perfect in Firefox, but as soon as you throw it in IE, it looks like *****.
I agree that you should force people to view Web 2.0 compliant browsers that follow standards. - ucg1, on 10/10/2007, -5/+22Mozilla didn't exist 15 years ago, *****. Netscape != Mozilla
- makingme, on 10/10/2007, -8/+24I'm IN!
- IIIKrazyKiDDIII, on 10/10/2007, -6/+22It costs money to know the *****...
- vdog, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17The reason it's 'fine' as a browser is because web devs spend a lot of their time and money making their sites work with it. Time and money that could be better spent elsewhere.
It's a classic catch 22: The browser is 'fine' because of all the effort we spend in making our sites work with it- we can't ignore its large market share. Because we've made our sites work with it, a large number of people will continue to use this 'fine' browser.
We need our clients, we need users like you to break the cycle. - mentalsticks, on 10/10/2007, -31/+46Let's make this the most dugg story ever.
- willemmulder, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14releasing Safari was an IPhone move in the first place... If windows developers can test their apps on Safari and make it work on Safari, it will also work on the Iphone. So it's good for testing and stuff, however, it has some bugs, and I prefer using Firefox or Opera...
- sega01, on 10/10/2007, -5/+19I completely agree. It's the browser's fault if it cannot display a standards-compliant web page, not my problem. Iceweasel FTW! :-)
- khedoros, on 07/31/2009, -3/+17How is he a zealot? He's just tired of putting up with non-standard *****. That's what the standards are for; to be followed. If they're ignored, then they're worthless.
- Twogigs, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16By running the test on CVS test builds of the browser. Why are you even reading this thread?
- zholmquist, on 03/04/2009, -6/+20Been talking to other developers about this as well . . . how about just getting IE6 blocked for the time being. Imagine if a few of the big name site, were to put a script to detect what browser it is, and point people to an upgrade, or even better a switch! I think Microsoft should practice a bit more responsibility in killing the monster they created . .
- gn0stik, on 10/10/2007, -4/+17Time is money, development takes time. Developing for IE takes an extra long time because you have to work around the bugs.
Hence IE costs you money. Got it sport? - Surreal, on 10/10/2007, -5/+18Yeah, but that results in looking like an ugly coder. Why should we find it acceptable to add into our websites unnecessary markup? I think you're missing the point here.
- FTLJohnson, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14Hey JR, if it's about Market demands, then why is IE as a browser losing market share faster than every other browser, which are all gaining market share... EVEN though Microsoft is employing forceful tactics including IE in other software packages, and forcing it as the default browser in vista for many applications even if you have firefox or something else installed? Despite all that... You are trying to tell me that there is a demand for IE? You don't understand markets very well at all man. There's a demand for products compatible with Microsoft office, and the OS that runs that. So, people buy windows... That does NOT mean that there is a demand for IE any more than there is a demand for Windows Movie Maker, or MS Paint. People are simply using it by default. That's not market demand.
- Phocion55, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1715 years ago I was 8.
- fr34k5h0w, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13That's why you validate your page before you publish it. If it is standards-compliant, you don't need the browser to make up for YOUR lazy coding practices.
- fuzzmeister, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14Unless you run a Linux website, or something like that, I'm not sure it is possible to have so little of your traffic from IE.
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