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- Loki101, on 06/11/2009, -1/+41The US lower education system needs a serious revamp... but also a revamp in the national psyche. I don't believe that Americans are somehow less capable, but they tend to have different priorities.
Perhaps its the mark of mature vs. growing societies. Russia and China are up-and-coming nations and the mentality that goes with it - everyone is out to prove themselves and be the best that they can. In America, the society has become more settled, so professional perfection has become just one of a multitude of other considerations for its people.
Not a bad thing, really, but it does get in the way of superior skills. - yesplease151, on 06/11/2009, -2/+40A programming story on the front page? Am I at the wrong site?
- Richandler, on 06/10/2009, -6/+44And we wonder why jobs leave America. They do it better overseas and they do it for less money.
- mihn, on 06/10/2009, -3/+30and without whining.....
- a3r0, on 06/11/2009, -1/+23No, you just stepped into a time machine
- Pinkertinkle, on 06/11/2009, -1/+19FTA: Rob Hughes, president and COO of TopCoder, said the strong finish by programmers from China, Russia, Eastern Europe and elsewhere is indicative of the importance those countries put on mathematics and science education.
"We do the same thing with athletics here that they do with mathematics and science there," Hughes said. He said the U.S. needs to make earlier inroads in middle schools and high school math and science education.
This be true. Athletics be a waste of time and money. - uminatsu, on 06/11/2009, -0/+15"India followed at 705, but none of its programmers were finalists." Guess that explains it...
- srs2000, on 06/11/2009, -0/+13You have never dealt with India before then.
- DirtyBinLV, on 06/11/2009, -1/+13These are the kind of people who used to get H1B visas and work for US companies. That visa program was scaled back and now they work for foreign competitors of those US companies.
- LunusMaximus, on 06/11/2009, -0/+10I reckon China has it easier in one way, their hard science education programs don't have to deal with constantly being attacked by religious people for not including something in the curriculum about the possibility that things exist due to the benevolence of some ***** sky zombie with multiple personalities.
- ptFoe, on 06/11/2009, -0/+9It is a huge problem if there is a serious conflict between China and the US.
- thecoolestguy, on 06/11/2009, -2/+11In other countries they beat students who don't perform (or least their parents do). In the US, kids learn about sensitivity and how it's ok to be different.
- inactive, on 06/11/2009, -4/+12Yeah, but if we ever up in a cyberwar against the Chinese, they'll never expect the rickroll.
- Wrangler76, on 06/11/2009, -2/+9"China's showing in the finals was also helped by the sheer volume of its numbers, 894. India followed at 705, but none of its programmers were finalists."
Wow, I would've thought that India would do better. - nemofishclt, on 06/11/2009, -1/+8REALLY?
- MxM111, on 06/11/2009, -0/+7No, it is much simpler. NSA is hiring ...
- jjamminjon, on 06/11/2009, -4/+11We Americans know what we're worth!
- morningmatters, on 06/11/2009, -0/+7At this rate, in the future it will be the Americans copying the Chinese and Russians when it comes to technology.
- inactive, on 06/11/2009, -0/+6Not true, I had to work with several codes written by outsourced company in India. It was nicely written, but could have been much better. Maybe outsource companies in general that writes inefficient code... who knows, but my few experiences with oversea products weren't good.
- heavensblade, on 06/11/2009, -0/+6I don't know, looks like about 4 times as many Chinese entered the comp than Americans BUT China had 10 times the finalists as the US so I think that is a huge difference. Also the Russians only had 1.5 times more competitors than the US but had 5 times the finalist. This indicates a seriously ***** massive gap in talent between the US with other nations.
Plus the comp was won by an 18 year old Chinese kid beating all the US Masters and PhD grads. - MrTea, on 06/11/2009, -1/+7school is what you make of it
- americanoboy, on 06/11/2009, -3/+9education is better in those countries. in us, you only get decent education if you get into expensive private universities. in other countries, that kind of quality education is available to everyone for free.
- DamnMan, on 06/11/2009, -1/+6How will those with strong backs and weak minds get multi-million dollar contracts then?!
- Unreal030, on 06/11/2009, -1/+6Sounds like you are having the problem of working hard instead of working smart. I don't want to make any assumptions since I don't know anything about your situation really, but that is the vibe I am getting. Yeah it may not be as easy as it used to, but if you use your head and put in the effort you can get where you want.
- inactive, on 06/11/2009, -6/+11"LETS CUT FUNDING TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND ISSUE MORE VOUCHERS! ", The Republican Base
- kiantech, on 06/11/2009, -0/+5Steve Gibson will do it better....in assembly!
- Pinkertinkle, on 06/11/2009, -0/+5No one gives a ***** about the olympics cept for the 3 weeks its on buddy
- scoottie, on 06/11/2009, -0/+5Outsourcing at its best
- MaxxusFlamus, on 06/11/2009, -0/+5you've got the right idea- except remove the ID#s
So basically you're given two sets of web diagrams with boxes with lines going to other boxes- you basically have to figure out if the linking is identical in both diagrams.
The locations of each box is different in both diagrams but the links are the same. So you have to untangle the mess of links to figure out if the topography of both are the same or not. - Dustin00, on 06/11/2009, -1/+6Education needs to be seen as the cornerstone of our defense budget, or this is only going to get worse.
- nemomarlin, on 06/11/2009, -0/+4Many programmers working in the US ARE Chinese, Russians and Indians.
- netant, on 06/11/2009, -0/+4You're a little off the mark, but not by much.
Back in the 1950's, educators SET the performance bar. Society did not give a crap when the bottom 1% couldn't meet the minimal level; they flunked out and did not get a high school diploma. Furthermore, with smaller classes, teachers would either expend extra energy to the top 1% performers, or let them skip a grade.
Now, society only cares that everyone meets the MEAN level of performance. This produces MEDIOCRITY. The standard bar has been lowered to allow the bottom 10% of losers feel better about themselves, at the expense of the rest of the student body. Everyone passes, but there is no impetus to make the general population perform better. Add in all the illegals that are dependent on public school education, with their language difficulties and lower performance due to their poverty stricken background, tada, the new US student body. With lower standards so they look "normal" compared to the previous generation.
Finally, overreliance on test scores to determine accomplishment means teachers teach to the test. This tends to penalize less tangible forms of education, such as CRITICAL THINKING. But an obedient sheep is an easier to "manage" sheep, and easier to induct into the armed forces. - Amazetbm, on 06/11/2009, -7/+11An NSA-backed coding contest that is dominated by Russians and Chinese? Seems more like an in-plain-sight intelligence gathering operation.
- MxM111, on 06/11/2009, -1/+5Actually US companies are not hiring and/or people are not coming into US after US lost its glamor under Bush administration. This year there were H1B visas 1 month after the release of the yearly allowance. 5 years ago, ALL visas were taken in a single day of their release!
- jimripper, on 06/11/2009, -2/+6Well, is anyone surprised?
- blorc, on 06/11/2009, -0/+3Doesn't seem that significant to me. I'm not saying nothing's wrong with education in this country, but a fraction of Americans participated compared to the Chinese. The Chinese were the most represented overall and had the largest number of people in the finals. If anything looks out of place it's India, who followed closely in participants to China yet didn't put anyone into the finals.
- opitica, on 06/11/2009, -0/+3Could someone please explain the algorithm problem? It seemed very simplified for the article. I just imagined a bunch of web diagrams with id #'s linking to each other.
- fatpiglazy2, on 06/11/2009, -3/+6China FTW
- greeniemeani, on 06/11/2009, -1/+4All the open source stuff I use seems to be written by people from Poland, Russia, Sweden, etc....
- moulin1, on 06/11/2009, -0/+3I made a few tries at US university computer science programs in the 80's and 90's. At various times instructors told me;
-that pc's were a household toy and would never be relevent in the business world
-that COBOL was the only programming language that would ever have any commercial application
-that computers had very limited use in science and programming was strictly a business course
-that the most important skill for a computer scientist was a thorough mastery of punching holes in cards
All this while I was writing programs for fun in Basic and Assembly on my Atari 800.
Even as late as 1995 I was told not to write my C programs for class on a PC because they wouldn't be compatible with the universities 30 year old mainframe. The one plan that always works is planning for failure. - pingveno, on 06/11/2009, -1/+4Dumb jocks?
- dysonlu, on 06/11/2009, -0/+3Athletics? Who won the most medals in the last Olympics? Which population is most out of shape?
- dupems, on 06/11/2009, -4/+7I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords.
- fossilnews, on 06/11/2009, -1/+4Way to oversimplify an issue.
- copypastry, on 06/11/2009, -0/+3China will grow larger
- HellDonut, on 06/11/2009, -0/+3Awesome! I'm in the US, overweight, and without a job, but hey, USA got #1 in the olympics. That makes up for it!
- Wrangler76, on 06/11/2009, -0/+2Did you read the article? The winner last year (Chinese guy) won $155,000 and landed a job as VP of tech of the chinese branch of the company. Not bad for a 26 year old.
- collution, on 06/11/2009, -1/+3tl;dr
- lenny4422, on 06/11/2009, -0/+2You were somewhat amusing, but now you are doing the Transporter 2 thing and pushing the unbelievable thing a little too far. Maybe you should consider starting over with a new account.
- ontain, on 06/11/2009, -0/+2it's not simple at all. in fact it's a P=NP problem.
the difficulties involve traversing the nodes which can in fact loop but you won't know when they will loop. also comparing the 2 networks is tough because you'll have to compare any number of node links. This is why they said that there is not solution for large networks. they only had to solve it for a small network. -
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