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- dburka, on 07/10/2009, -0/+9Just to clarify the point Trammell made in the Digg Blog post: Digg is considering reducing support for IE6 users. At least at first, that means we'd stop supporting logged-in functionality. People coming to Digg and just reading the content here would still get a similar experience to what they get today.
- michaelpinto, on 07/10/2009, -0/+9I for one welcome the overdue IE 6 backlash!
- jstohler, on 07/11/2009, -0/+6Everybody seems to have missed a key point in Trammell's post, which is that 49% of the respondents don't have the ability to upgrade their browser either because they aren't admins or someone else controls the browser at work. That means they can't run Firefox either. Digg has made the right call by not harassing or taunting these users any further. I hate IE6 as much as anyone, but abusing your users who have no choice in the matter doesn't help things.
- smacksaw, on 07/11/2009, -0/+3Why is Wal-Mart successful where so many others have failed?
They appealed to the lowest common denominator. The cheapest "everything" they can sell, but they do have nice things like electronics. No matter where you are on the scale of poverty or riches, there is something for you at Wal-Mart.
It seems to me that if you fail to include all of your customers, someone else will find a way to make money off of them. Case in point: When I was a kid, Target was way bigger than Wal-Mart. But Target didn't carry as much stuff as Wal-Mart and today Target still tries to appeal to a "higher class" of clientèle. More runoff for Wal-Mart and their giant Supercenters. Target Greatlands? Too little, too late.
What if Digg says "No IE6" and Reddit responds with "Full IE6 support and support for all browsers with our new simplified and slimmed-down look?" That seems pretty dumb to let them back in the game.
If time and effort really are the problem, make a translator or an emulator that allows you develop and then automatically port. If Microsoft can come up with a tool to convert .doc to .html in 1997...sure, things are more complicated now, but we're a lot smarter and more skilled.
In the end, if Digg wants to be the best and stay the best, appeal to everyone. Even people with crappy browsers. When MS stops supporting IE6, then ask this question about support again. Until then, it's too early. I know we all hate Luddites, but these people don't have adblock like the rest of you technogeeks do. These people pay the bills. I fail to see how Digg is losing money by delivering content to a group of people that are 99% of them revenue generators. - extravagant, on 07/11/2009, -0/+3I personally can't see why any company would want to devote so much time for a browser that doesn't support WEB STANDARDS!
- MtheoryX, on 07/11/2009, -0/+3I disagree.
IE6 has been displaced by two full versions already. The vast majority of people still using IE6 have no choice, or no authority, to upgrade.
Why not maintain current support levels (reading articles) for IE6 users, while shifting more time and effort to supporting modern, standards-compliant browsers?
By continuing to pander to the small percent of IE6 users (again, most of which are only using it because they have to), you don't really give any reason for anyone to upgrade.
It's not until major sites start breaking in IE6 that they will be forced to reevaluate their decisions in using that browser.
Additionally, Digg will lose no ad money with this approach. Users can still read the stories, visit the site, look at the comments. All of which result in ads being served, and viewed, by the users regardless of browser.
The only things impacted are "logged in" activities like digging, submitting, commenting, digging comments. Those activities don't directly result in ad views, but enhance a visitor's time on the site.
If people are using digg at work, and are in fact tied to IE6 at work, I don't see this as a problem at all.
Additionally, a major site like Digg very publicly announcing their dropping of IE6 support makes it much easier for the little guys to follow suit.
You have to have someone big to start the movement. Google did that with Gmail, and now Digg is doing it as well. Each large site that does so helps to advance progress in web development and usability. - jstohler, on 07/11/2009, -0/+2A. Where did I say I'm digging at work?
B. Plenty of people work at jobs that don't dictate their every movement. - dburka, on 07/11/2009, -0/+2Thanks for the thoughtful response... you make a lot of really interesting and valid points.
- UmarSajid, on 07/11/2009, -1/+2Just overload IE6 people with Firefox ads...lol
- rednaxela825, on 07/11/2009, -2/+3Anyone on IE6 doesn't deserve to use Digg anyway.
- extravagant, on 07/11/2009, -0/+1It doesn't make business sense to devote all that time guys! maybe Microsoft will change thanks to digg!
- kurttrail, on 07/11/2009, -0/+1Why are you digging at work?
Hope your bosses don't find out, because I hear that there are a lot of people out of work and would be willing to do your job without digging and for less pay. - BREZZZ, on 07/11/2009, -0/+0I say let it happen. Leave a nice link for proper upgrading and code [for lack of a better word] the webpages to the standard. They will get the hint fast enough, or maybe be content with looking at garbage placement.
- yano, on 07/10/2009, -2/+1Opera FTW!
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