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- AdamJones, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9How is it a dupe ? Did you even bother to RTFA ?
They are two completely different articles. The only similarity is that they are both talking about the same software.
This article is specific to the CDT plugin for Eclipse and IMHO was quite a good article. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6why are you even on digg if not for fast moving tech news?
- jrhass, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4....says the user with binary as his user name.
- Ademan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I recently (see 4 months ago) switched to linux. And because of that I lost my beloved msvc++. I tried several alternatives on linux, anjuta wasn't to my liking, KDevelop had that single click crap (Which was hard to fix since I'm on GNOME and so i didn't have the KDE system settings app, but a kind soul in #kubuntu told me where the config was and i fixed it) and finally, Eclipse was SLOOOWWWWW (Note I'm on a 2ghz Pentium M with 2 gigs of ram) I don't know if it's javas fault or what... Eclipse with the CDT was actually great, full featured, useful, but man was it slow. Eclise was disgustingly slow in fact, that I ended up switching back to KDevelop, where i'm fairly happy.
- jdong, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@cholick:
I feel your pain. I love Eclipse CDT from a features standpoint -- it's just perfect. However, the speed needs some work. With eclipse.org's binaries and Sun Java, it takes around 1-2 seconds on my Core Duo to do an autocomplete. It takes an unbearable 5 seconds on my Celeron M.
It only gets worse when Eclipse is compiled to use Open Source GCC Java (i.e. what Fedora and Ubuntu and maybe others do) -- then, it takes around 10 seconds on my Core Duo, and I never bothered to check that Celeron! - 3monkeys, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's kinda funny that people are marking either as a dupe. I wonder who submitted the other article. Oh that would be me. Guess I was doing a little research on C++ and Eclipse and found both of these articles and thought they might be of interest. Shame on me for submitting two articles, that although deal with the same general subjects Eclipse and C++, are completely different.
- eporra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There's also a very good plug-in for Perl development with Eclipse. Dont think may people know about it though.
- moshisushi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4if it ain't the same article, it ain't a dupe... in my opinion
- Rustbucket, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I am a very big fan of the C++ tools for Eclipse. It is not the best C++ IDE out there, but it quite solid and has a fairly nice debugger.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I have very little patience for tools that are hard to configure, and I got CDT working in an hour, using Cygwin. I think I was following some detailed instructions in an IBM article. It doesn't measure up to the "It Just Works" that the Netbeans people have been making happen (NB has a C mode, too now), but the wide acceptance of Eclipse means most developers will not find the initial work to get Eclipse-based development going too troublesome.
- micro506, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2EPIC, I believe it's called.
- msgyrd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I wonder if he even knows his name means 42 (base10), which is another nerdy reference. :-)
- nixfu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2/working in it(EPIC) right now :)
Might be the best "full-featured" ide for Perl. The PHP support for Eclipse is also quite good using the plugin for php.
The java guys here have talked me into working with Eclipse for a while so I am working in it....It's actually pretty good...of course I am partical to vim myself..
Some nitpicks:
1) Its a little slow. Fairly often it comes to a halt for a few seconds when you select some function or menu item, like switching between CVS mode etc.
2) Why is there very little abilities to customize the colorization of the editor. Man, I have about 7 different color schemes in vim that are WAY different depending on my mood. I am particularly fond of an color scheme in VIM that looks like the old borland turbo-(pascal/basic/fortran) editors with the blue background etc. - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Isn't Eclipse on Ubuntu a compiled version, using gcj?
- DoubtingThomas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's probably slow because you tyhe GNU JVM, it is atrociously slow. With Java 5 installed "correctly" on Ubuntu dapper it is, honestly one of the fastest apps I run under GNOME.
Here is a good thread on installing SUN's JVM correctly in Ubuntu: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183239 - theonesteve, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3As Adam said, it's not a dupe. It's obvious that you didn't read the article. I read both this one and the one you linked to, and even if you simply _glanced_ at them for comparison you could see that they're completely different. The article you linked to had nothing at all to do with C/C++. This one is about using a CDT plugin for Eclipse in order to do C/C++ development inside of Eclipse. I don't understand why you're trying to kill the article, unless you just wanted to show how superior you are in your digg-reading abilities.
- Ademan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@jdong
Exactly my experience, i'm on ubuntu, and it is PAIN(fully slow).
Only difference is you beat me to post by 10 minutes :-p - zydeco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It would be a lot more useful if I could find a decent plugin that supported etags. It *has* to be out there somewhere, I just can't find it...
The best commercial alternative out there is SlickEdit's plugin for Eclipse. Once you've used the "show all references" command a few times, you can't go back.... - kindernacht, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1ahh..memories, borland turbo ftw :)
- mojaam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1CDT is nothing new but is sure is cool one you have it working. The problem is installing the damn thing on windows. There's never a clear cut easy way to install it. You need either Cygwin or Minimalist GNU for Windows (MinGW) which you need to configure the environment variables by setting the path... it's just too much work. But like I said, once you get it to work, it's pretty good. Just wished they make the installing process easier.
- jldugger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm not sure what the distinction between etags and ctags is, but eclipse supports using ctags as the C++ parser instead of their full blown inspection one. I've heard its more appropriate for large projects than their default one. Frankley, I'd rather see an article on digg listing concrete flaws with the eclipse CDT. I know it's not as mature as Java's, but the instant I notice the tutorial isn't as well developed as the Java's, I wonder what else isn't up to speed yet.
- cholick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've used this for quite a bit of my c++ development. My only real complaint is that the 'intellisense' can be quite slow. At times, when typing a trigger (., ->, ::) it will take a full two seconds to think. Other than this, though, the editor is quite solid. I would definitely recommend it.
- marlow4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I know you're trolling, but FYI on my Debian box my (pimped-out) Emacs 21 takes *longer* to start up than my (pimped-out) Eclipse 3.2. They even both use the same keybindings.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Somehow Eclipse escaped that curse.
Nokia willingly uses it for Symbian development. Lots of other people based SDKs and tool chains on Eclipse.
And, irony of irones, IBM's biggest piece of *****, Notes, got rewritten based on Eclipse Rich Client Platform, and probably will not suck moldy toad penis anymore.
For the record, I like Netbean, too. Lately, I'm liking it better than Eclipse for Java coding. - willcode4beer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Don't foprget the Ruby on Rails IDE
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I know all too well where Notes came from, and where Notes's creator is today.
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http://astore.amazon.com/aerobed.inflatable.bed-20 - rslc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0As a C/C++ embedded developer, I really find Eclipse platform sucks.
Being Java based, it is way too slow to be productive and useful.
=>If the industry continue to support eclipse, it can never compete with VS!!!
I really think the embedded tools companies should wake up.
=>One up and coming IDE for C/C++ is CodeBlocks:
http://www.codeblocks.org/
(though currently version 1.0 RC2 and has some bugs)
check it out !"p - aslocal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yah, its great if your coding back in 1997. I mean who needs debuggers when you have log files right? I mean who needs code complete, when you can google and guess at it? Who needs automatic code generators to save time?
- ghoch, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I completely agree with our opinion.
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http://www.emergencysoft.com - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hey Sparky,
We didn't develop Notes, we bought it. The upcoming version based on the Eclipse framework is a significant upgrade in terms of UI and speed. - Herzasche, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I'm new to C++ but Long Time Java User, Eclipse instead of Visual Studio will be fantastic I just find there so much more Eclipse has to offer, Plus supporting open source :)
- mbrindam, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2eh... whatever... I'll digg both.
- Patrick_, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1*cough* Emacs loads instantly and gives me all of the features I need; it's got fast keyboard shortcuts, isn't resource-intensive, never crashes, looks nice, and doesn't use 3/4 of the screen for GUI crap. No nonsense. Anyone try it?
- DrStankus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"Some nitpicks:
1) Its a little slow."
Welcome to Java. ;-)
I use EPIC all the time. It is pretty good, and a real step up from Notepad. :-) - voidofmind, on 10/12/2007, -10/+9I love how my comment is being burried regardless of the fact that the diggs on this article have DOUBLED in SEVEN MINUTES thus proving what i said.
Good job guys. Keep up the good work. - MrKite, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Isn't Eclipse the platform that IBM practically owns? Any software that they touch eventually turns to *****. I tried Eclipse a few years ago and I thought it sucked. Maybe it's better now... but I doubt I'll ever know. ;)
- voidofmind, on 10/12/2007, -11/+8May be, but the one we're posting on right now is on the front page of digg ;] It'll see a lot more exposure.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -19/+7ANOTHER dupe
http://digg.com/programming/Eclipse_Open_Source_Tool_Gains_Traction_To_Help_Build_User_Interfaces
that one already showed up in my rss and has triple the diggs - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+0I guess this thread is for the nerds cause i have no clue wtf all that means.
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