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- Hexxagonal, on 10/12/2007, -7/+43... microsoft introduced ajax to the net (xmlhttprequest)
- arizonagroove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25You forget SOAP ;)
- CorpT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25So are we on Web 3.0 yet?
- jool, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22No I think we are still actually on Web 2.0 Beta.
- snarkey, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23
Come on. Everybody knows the real power behind Web 2.0 is Mr. Bubble! - Syntaxis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Huh? Web 1.0 Alpha version 33.41.2030 [revision 2034910] was finished?
Seriously, need a job at a webdeveloping company? Insist to talk to a guy who knows nothing (usually a manager) and tell him you know AJAX, WEB2.0 and of course COMET and you're set. No, add in you play WOW, too.. seems to help out at some times. - santaclaws, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13This is stupid. The technique is ancient (i.e. has been around since 1997). It's just some dumb idiot trying to get credit for inventing a buzzword. No diggity.
- dengar69, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Great, now we get to see 10 digg stories a day about Comet instead of Ajax.
- PrisonerOfPain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9So it's just HTTP Streaming? Or am I missing something here?
http://ajaxpatterns.org/HTTP_Streaming - akinder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10No god no, this has to stop somewhere
And Hexxagonal is correct, Microsoft actually introduced the underlying technology for AJAX requests.
I have first dibbs on TILEX - The technology that will power Web 5.0 - richardyork, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12From TFA, "It doesn’t stand for anything, and I’m not sure that it should."...
Yet another meaningless buzzword, like AJAX, that also happens to be a popular cleaning agent. What's next? Mr. Clean? Clorox? Tide? We've got Cascade and AJAX represented. It's a brilliant marketing strategy brought to us straight from the board rooms of Proctor and Gamble, who must feel the web development community aren't nearly clean enough. ;-) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Even Apple recognizes Microsoft as the first to implement dynamic html and xml:
http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html - Lindquist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Would you care to explain what the errors are to the rest of us?
- dangerboy13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7All the new "web technologies" are getting a little old. I can just see these "bleeding edge" tech companies redoing their web stuff every 3 months to take advantage of the new technology. This is just ridiculous, I'll stick with what works, not trying to learn every little tweak and "improvement" that comes out.
- Angostura, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7No, you are spot on and HTTP streaming is a lot more descriptive. Comet is stoopid
- nessup, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9what the hell is it with you people and buzzwords? and what's wrong with AJAX in the way it is?
we barely started using ajax and now people are humping their doorknobs over "web 2.0" - snarkey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"...humping their doorknobs..."
I am SO going to use that saying. - jiminoc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7The fact ajax doesn't have built in server push in the spec is a flaw. Polling is ugly, wasteful and hacky, server push is much more elegant when combined with ajax for keeping state on a page when the environment changes. For example airline systems I write are always changing state on the plane... plane takes off, plane lands, pressure drops, etc. Server push allows this info to be updated on the fly without the need for polling every second and wasting network traffic.
- aftk2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I've only just skimmed the source article, but it sounds to me that
Comet.init = function() {
setInterval(function() {eliteServerSideAJAXCall()}, 10000);
}
I call my new web pattern Blatherin' Blatherskyte. - rolosworld, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I agree, Im still figuring out whats new about it... even more, of what I had read I can point out a couple of flaws implementing this kind of stuff on some php+apache servers.
- konkushn, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I fear change.
- rolosworld, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4So Comet needs an open conection to the server so the server can transmit stuff. I have done this kind of stuff and I think this Comet thingy its just an Ajax hack. Can anyone give an example of how this is supposed to work? I have read the description and can't figure out how this new solution is better then other Ajax streaming hacks (im not talking about polling hacks).
- airedale, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Thank you! Seems certain people in the "Digg Community" tend to be misinformed and like to spread FUD.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Ummmmm ... looks like the original source (which is credited in the article) is here:
http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=545
Some interesting comments over there. - bhagany, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Then you should read it again.
- nessup, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Only if it's going to be over SSL. otherwise, you can forget about it completely.
- Hexxagonal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4and yes i still dugg it because it's good
- stubby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I know of smaller companies that have used AJAX type of techniques since around '97. I wouldn't say ajax is this new thing we've barely started to use.
- pohl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There's an old abrasive cleaning agent under the "Ajax" brand, and a
similar product that was sold under the name "Comet". This was the stuff
that my mom had me use to clean the sinks and bathtub when I was young.
http://www.worldwide.com.sg/images/ajax.gif - NWVG, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5There are so many errors in that article it's incredible.
- arizonagroove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"With this open connection i'd receive mails with events."
What do you mean, 'receive mails with events'? - CaughtThinking, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I like Dojo, but if *no one* can claim ownership of Ajax unless you are the Microsoft Corporation, in Redmond Washington. Don't even try.
- Daem0nX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Mr Bubble? It has to be Mr Sparkle! (Homer Simpson) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/Mrsparkleimg.jpg
- coding, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is fully BS to me. Another article for ego inflation that hey I invented a new Web 6.0 term. It's taken me 4 months just to start using Ajax I'm not switching. Besides Ajax covers all of the technologies mentioned on that site to me.
- nickwebb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@mephitix
True, you would hit the server for every key pressed in an autocomplete... and it would be damn slow. I guess that's why the xmlhttprequest object has an abort() method.
Yeah, pushlets is old!! I don't see how eating up threads and available connections is better than polling in any situation. - yahoofrom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Time to COMET digg.
- ashtonium, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1mephitix: a year ago? As the article says, this is "An old web technology [that] is slowly being resurrected from the depths of history."
I remember "web push" when it was all the craze back in 1997. This is by no means new--just new usage of an old (as far as web tech is concerned) way of doing things. - shattadeya, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Is it just me or did the ppl who name these this ever think of its names in depth
cause Ajax is a cleaning agent http://www.colgate.com/Colgate/US/HouseholdCare/ProductRecommender/HouseholdCleaners/WebPages/Ajax/ajax_main.jpg
and also is Comet http://doityourself.com/ori/200x200/6901219.jpg
I guess the guys who invented Comet likes BOTH products better :~)) - chesterjosiah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://www.cjmillisock.com/2006/03/comet-next-step-beyond-ajax.html
- Xopl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Comet is totally going to sue for trademark infringement. ESPECIALLY since Comet isn't an acronym in this case.
If Hormel can sue over the word "spam" you can bet in todays litigious society the Comet people are gonna be pissed. - fergalbreen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's my understanding that AJAX is a marketing term for MS technologies but not a term that Redmond invented.
- altidude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wake me when the Web 2.0 bubble has burst.
- charged2885, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1keeping a connection alive is going ot be hell for ie users. ie only allows 2 connections to the same host at the same time. that leaves one for "streaming" and one for retrieving static content/downloading/uploading files. Not to mention having an open connection at all times is not going to scale.
- molecool, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm getting sick of this flood of frameworks and tools changing every quarter. Am I the only one feeling that way?
- thewise1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Does this mean that in order to get to the front page we have to also include the word COMET now?
- mattryan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I worked with server push (can't bring myself to calling it Comet) while in college back in '99/'00. Got motivated to learn this from a CGI script years ago that took advantage of server push. Being able to connect to an irc server and chat in real-time through a web page blew my mind w/o using crappy Java Applets.
While working with server push, it worked fine in Netscape Navigator. Unfortunately, it didn't work at all in IE at the time. Also, when the user clicks Stop, the connection ends and the users are hosed. Those two factors made me move on to other things, like Perl and PHP (time very well spent ;). - stead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1First of all this "push" technology has been available by Macromedia/Adobe for years (Media Server) and now OS Red5, and it's much more efficient.
There is a basic issue with this "push" technology and that is that the server must hold open a connection to each client. This means you're most probably going to see much higher server side loads.
I'm surprised Comet hasn't made Digg earlier, it's been in the blogasphere a lot recently. - Xoligy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Exactly. People don't seem to understand, this only has advantages where instant timing is everything. In an IM, waiting a second for a message can ruin a conversation, as they tend to be short and plentiful. Whereas waiting a second for an email is nothing.
- TetsuoSama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Jay, you're on the money. Push was the buzzword sometime in the 90's and died in the arse (thank god). I guess we call it Comet now (or so these guys would wish). There are plenty of perfectly good protocols out there designed to do streaming, IRC, etc. and have done them for years. All of a sudden, they just HAVE to be done over HTTP on a webpage because it's soooo Web 2.0. The sooner this bubble bursts, the better.
- gator99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Server Push has been around forever. No one uses it because persistent connections have much more overhead than the normal stateless browser connection. The use of the term "Comet" is pretty idiotic, ha ha, it's a brand of cleanser, oh how clever.
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