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- kevinrose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3We use something similar for tab switching below (bottom of the page). +digg
- onceler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1sysrpl - You are missing one of the main benefits of the "AJAX buzz"... usability. While it might complicate items on the backend, it really simplifies the user interface on the font. I agree, there might be, and probably is, too much of this being ported to items just to because. But if you look at it from a business standpoint, with AJAX, you are basically able to take a web-based or browser-based application and make it seem like the user is using their standard windows-based application. While this might not seem like such a big deal to many of the digg users, think of people they work with, people that aren't comfortable with the internet and the web. By adding AJAX to a web application like that, the usability goes up and the complaints go down (assuming that it is implemented correctly).
- danski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1*sneaks back in with the constructive part - surely it's better to have all the markup in your page and move it around with javascript? any extra data you need can be called with javascript, but adding a primary navigational element that doesn't play nice with the back button just frustrates me when i'm trying to navigate a page.
i can see an excuse where each tab requires a really server-intensive operation to populate and you wish to reduce the page overhead, however. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1OMG Yeah All this and even cooler AJAX STUFF FREE HERE: http://www.ajaxallmightyfreescripts.com
- h00ligan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0dizzay - there's no "rule" about that - they are being hater.. ignore them and thanks for the info.
- jump07, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"with AJAX, you are basically able to take a web-based or browser-based application and make it seem like the user is using their standard windows-based application."
Because we all know how usable windows applications are... AJAX does NOT make something more usable! There is no benefit to using AJAX, other than avoiding page refresh, which is not as annoying as not being able to bookmark a page or use the back button. AJAX suffers from a number of usability issues not unlike Flash. Yes, you can work around them, but that takes the same amount or more effort than if you just designed a usable application that doesn't use AJAX. - DaMoB, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1No round corners, no digg!
- clueless, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0does anybody has a copy of the website now that it's down?
i really need the tutorial. - Hoohoonick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1+digg cause it has ajax or web2.0 in the title...
- ifonly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wow, very google friendly ;)
- Ryosen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Not all pages need to be bookmarked. Likewise, not all pages easily stand up to being refreshed.
I develop large-scale, web-based applications for a living. Not web sites, mind you, but actual applications. We are just beginning to explore the UI possibilities with AJAX, not because it is the sexy new thing (it is neither sexy nor new) but because it allows us to bring a better experience to the user.
A cornerstone of our applications is a suite of analytical tools that provide a large amount of calculation on the back-end, as well as drill-down capabilities. Often times, the user will navigate several steps of drill-downs and choices. In the past, we've been able to address these using frames, creative caching, small windows, and the like. The promise of the AJAX approach means that we can streamline our interfaces while bringing a richer tool set to our users.
AJAX certainly isn't suitable for every web site, though it has been amusing that people are using it for so many different applications. I would like to think that they are doing this mostly as learning exercises for more appropriate projects. Of course, we all know better than that.
Most emerging technologies are exposed to an inappropriate amount of hype (remember when everything was going to be a web service or when all data was going to be stored as XML?) but sometimes that is a necessary evil to get the IT industry to take notice.
I feel that AJAX will have its place among useful technologies. digg+ - Moocat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This from their front page:
"We have had another bad experience with our last hosting provider. We have set up a new host but we are still waiting to receive our files from our last one. Sorry for the inconvenience. We should be back up shortly.
-AjaxLessons.com"
Why they don't have a redirect is beyond me... - doodirock2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ah yes, now everyone hates AJAX. Lemmings, sad sad lemmings.
- danski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0also, +digg in hopes of a good discussion on the topic in this thread.
- danski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Not at all - AJAX has incredible potential for use and I've made use of it on several occasions to save user interaction time, save server resources and save bandwidth.
However, using AJAX to navigate static content is a technologically inferior solution as it breaks back buttons, confuses search engines and is, in general, over the top for the requirements. I stand by the idea that a better solution in this case is to make sure all the markup for each tab is available in the content of the document, and use simple javascript to add a layer of interactivity to that if you must have a tabbed sub-element. - Coreguy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Ajax?
Dugg! - jo42, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Sieg Heil AJAX!
- Cannelle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0SWEET, MORE AJAX ARTICLES! AUTOMATIC DIGG!!!!
- smhill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Pretty lame, they use prototype. (which is great, I love prototype). But a tutorial on what is basically calling a function? What is next, a tutorial on how to do roll-overs? How about something targeted a little higher than complete noob?
- Jaymoon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Whoa...I was just thinking of a new layout for a site I'm making, and was thinking of finding something very similar to this... Thanks much!
- nads, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@smhill
Just for you... Brain Science for the conceited coming soon - matelot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0i hate the name "AJAX"
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0I will say it again: "Who cares?". This whole AJAX buzz is sickening. Yeah, let's recreate a new paradigm that adds little other than complexity. The asshats that are getting excited about not having to "refresh" a page make me puke.
- danski, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0That's one of the worst cases for the use of ajax I've ever seen.
- dizzay, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0Excuse me, first of all I didn't know that you are not allowed to post your own articles if it is sorry my bad, second where do you get a second account from? Please don't make false accusations without facts to back them up.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0spamming and using multiple accounts... tisk tisk...
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