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- moiety, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1As sick as I am of seeing AJAX posts on the homepage, this is actually kinda neat. +digg
- Rickard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Jesus, third Ajax frameworks within the last 24 hours. So, how is this better than, for example prototype?
- MacHarborGuy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1with the new comment digging feature that kevin showed off awhile ago, I think it would be nice to see a filtering system also so you could just say "minimize articles that have "AJAX" in the title, and "framework" or "object" in the description. Not that I would use it for that, since I am always interested in different ways of making AJAX easier to use, but there are some topics I wouldn't mind having tucked away.
- section31, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's strictly for ajax only so its much lighter than prototype. Prototype is most powerfull, but its larger and a little bit trickier to use.
- headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@consel - I agree with you in theory! :)
"The web is not made for applications..."
So? That's how technology works. History is full of inventions that were created for one purpose, and adapted for another.
Do you think the early engineers working on radio technology had any idea we'd be using it to transfer digital data thousands of miles? Ah, but you'd say, "The radio is not made for transferring data..."
How about the inventors of the CRT. Do you think they intended it to be used as a display for computers? Ah, but you'd say, "TVs are not made for computer displays..." - ericpp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'll stick with prototype
- mike_p, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This one is actually semi-useful/very useful...
+digg - marsburn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's useful.
- brulz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The implementation appears to have more event handles when posting/getting otherwise looks quite close to the prototype implementation.
- nitsuj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@Syntaxis
Why don't you stop whining and use your head?
Forget the hype and look at where all this dynamic web content is going. Web applications, not web 'pages'. If you're too short-sighted to see past the hype then tough - just stand in amazement and get left behind as the web changes right before you over the coming years.
diggedy digg - digdugdig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If you need a quick way of adding asynchronous javascrips to your web sites, frame works are a good idea. However, IMHO it's much better to learn the basics of sending xmlhttprequests and parsing the returndata yourself. Ajax is not really that hard to learn.
- achoi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The problem with all things tech isn't the tech. The problem is the poor use of it. And the exploitation of the buzzwords in order to achieve some cred. But that comes with the territory, and anything popular that gets too popular will have a large amount of 'crap' that balances off the small amount of amazing true-blue ajax apps that are being made. People that run a blog with some fancy js effects or pulls some xmlhttprequests does not necessarily a web developer make. *shrug* It's just another little web bubble that's showing up. It'll settle down after a while.
- Leech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0nice library.. i like JSON requests
- sammedoff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is great, if u havent gone through please do it once.
It will be useful - smoothoperatah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0^
well said - smoothoperatah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"The web is not made for applications..."
REALLY? damn. that sucks. i guess we should all go back to text only webpages. damnit, and i had so many good ideas. oh well. thanks for the heads up though. you probably saved me a lot of time trying to innovate.
I SAY GOOD DAY, SIR! - saket, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Even though it's light, no real reason to use it over prototype or Yahoo UI toolkit.
May be good for beginner.
- Saket. - legbend, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Unless it can process enctyp="multipart/form-data" so I can build a true AJAX file uploader, they can really piss off.
- finalcut, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Syntaxis - why hate on people learning the technology? If you have been using it for years and so properly, undoubtedly you had to learn it. More than likely it was with IE (since it was for years) and thus you were building something that was platform dependant - while I disagree with your thought that the web isnt' for applications - I do think platform independence is one strong potential of the web; so since you were developing for just IE clearly you were screwing things up just becuase you could.
Instead of discarding this framework simply becuase you don't want other people to learn how to do things - perhaps you should direct your venom somewhere where it would be better applied? - KriTenKs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Out of all the AJAX frameworks ive seen on digg.com this one stands out. It really does look like a solid and well thought out framework.
- velkymx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Where is the Dreamweaver AJAX Extensions?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"The web is not made for applications..."
What an incredibly naive thing to say.
Granted, as a development manager, I hate fad dev trends as much as the next guy, but to say something like that is either really naive, or you're totally missing the point of how the web has evolved over the past seven or eight years.
And AJAX, while not a technology, is a great set of methodologies when implemented correctly. (and as amusing as ... when it isn't) - sketchstudios, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0ajax is a fad.
- OperatorNo9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@mrfx
Why is this important? - counsel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Headzoo:
I agree that understanding the basics is great. Now, how many people out there have actually taken a course on the Real Number System? How many numbers are actually defined in the System? Yet, we all know how to count, use numbers, etc... Like an 'average' person might use a calculator to get answers without knowing how the basic math works. That is still useful...
Sometimes the the understanding is just as important to what you do with the 'system.' Sometimes you just don't need to know 'how it works.' - _jinx_, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Don't know why people keep repeating and saying "broken-back-button" that problem has been fixed a long time ago using javascript hashes, and stop complaining cause if it was old and useless, why the hell are people using it, and all new sites are in some way implementing it?!
Next, this "framework" is mediocre, Honestly for us to see a real framework it will have to be a lib that can be included in our current Server Side Languages, Or perhaps a front end fully encapsulated javascript framework that merely has to be included for php or .NET to communicate with. - headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@digdugdig - I agree, which is why I dislike most of these frameworks. AJAX is painfully simple, but by using these libraries many people will never how to do this stuff themselves. Of course if you fully understand the underlying "technology", then by all means save yourself 30 minutes and use a ready to go library.
- Syntaxis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Ajax is a god and a soccer club to me. Online it's nothing more than Javascript with an over hyped name. I bet managers and developers with too much time on their hands really dig this, though. I'm not part of those. "AJAX" to die painfully slow on the internet, please! Stop the hype!
Note: useful applications of the technique are fine, but it's just too bad there are way too many idiots out there programming entire websites with "omg ajax 4tw!!!11", causing my "back"-button to fail, making bookmarks useless, creating unnecessary javascript errors due to underdeveloped implementations of unnecessary code...
No dig. - smoothoperatah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0the fact that you used the word "newbie" lets us all know your 12-15 and thus invalidates your entire argument.
thanks for trying we have some nice parting gifts for you. - snached, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Man all this stuff about Ajax frameworks is garbage.... Its NOT HARD to use this technology!!!!
Its driving me nuts how these company's offer the "solution" which is not needed thank you very much.
Seriously the hardest thing about Ajax is managing multiple request objects(not). - Ryosen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"The web is not made for applications..."
I don't know about you, Syntaxis, but the rest of use are using the Internet for applications, of which the "web" is but one small part.
Split hairs aside, the Web is very much made for applications, providing a light-weight user interface for processes carried out largely on the server. The very definition of client-server applies to the Web.
However, I'm more than happy to let you go through life thinking that the web's sole purpose is for viewing static websites. That's just more business for people like me that make their living developing full-featured, large-scale, distributed applications with a web-based front-end.
Thanks! - v3xt0r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"With AJAX... everything old is new again!!" yay!
omfg omfg, he made a javascript object that uses XML to parse data, omfg, omfg, I'm gonna be rich!!
whoopdie doo =) - usidoesit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0JSON
- ericmoritz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0NAAF... (Not Another Ajax Framework)
- tuphat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Please stop posting about bathroom cleaning products, it's really boring.
- jupo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Another AJAX article. Like some of the other libraries I've witnessed recently this one is also a single abstraction layer over the underlying XHR object. This one differs however in that it provides a wealth of functionality in its implementation. The external interfaces seem very well designed and trump my own project of this type in several areas such as the number of events made available as well as the timeout functionality. Very nice!
- Syntaxis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0@nitsuj
>> Why don't you stop whining and use your head?
I'm not whining, I am using my head, thank you.
>> Forget the hype and look at where all this dynamic web content is going. Web applications, not web 'pages'.
The web is not made for applications, the problem is simply the hype of it all, and I can't forget it because it's creating problems already (you know, the 120% wrong use of Ajax).
>> If you're too short-sighted to see past the hype then tough - just stand in amazement and get left behind as the web changes right before you over the coming years.
Oh I've been using Ajax for years before it even got that name. I will continue using it properly for years to come.
It's just the freaky newbies out there that will start making websites made out of Ajax with no added benefit just because they can.
And that's not helping anyone. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0If you liek Ajax, you HAVE to try xajax. It supports having all of your code on ONE page instead of multiple pages,. Really neat!
http://www.presenternet.com - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0THIS IS IMPORTANT PEOPLE!
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