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- itstomreally, on 02/26/2008, -11/+282The lazy kind.
- tkcom, on 02/26/2008, -8/+175Will it fit in manila envelope?
- tboutcher, on 02/26/2008, -2/+68linux version?
- jdollah, on 02/26/2008, -26/+75From a engineering perspective, the AIR runtime is simply a proprietary web browser (that uses WebKit) slapped together with the Flash and SQLite runtimes... It's just a way to let web developers make their applications "appear" to be desktop applications.
So what if the AIR application has their own OS window? Your application is still sandboxed [almost] as much as a web application, with little or no ability to interact with the OS. And so what if I can start the app from my "Start Menu"...I have bookmarks in my web browser that work just the same.
Not impressed. - quickgold192, on 02/26/2008, -3/+38...photoshop?
- Pinkertinkle, on 02/26/2008, -2/+36Is this going to require me to update it for no particular reason every time I use it like acrobat does?
- starsky51, on 02/26/2008, -0/+30coming soon:
Does Adobe AIR support Linux?
Adobe AIR 1.0 will not be available on Linux. We plan to release Linux support shortly after the 1.0. release.
While we had originally planned to support Linux in the 1.0 timeframe, we have had to wait on the core Flash Player's support for Linux to be finalized.
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Apollo:develo ...
What the hell does that mean? We've been using a beta version of the flash plugin all this time? That would explain why it's so crappy. - rjforbes, on 02/26/2008, -0/+26From a flex developers perspective this is alot bigger than just a "web browser on the desktop". If you look deeper into the guts of what AIR allows you to do there is alot more system integration tahtn traditional web based flash application. Reading and writing locally and using applications offline for one.
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..................................., - ssttuu, on 02/26/2008, -2/+26Just in time for Apple to announce Adobe Air as its development platform for iPhone SDK
- BoneStamp, on 02/26/2008, -2/+24This statement is inaccurate. It is true that AIR does not have the same capabilities of some other desktop development environments but here is what it can do:
1. Platform independent - The same app will run on Windows and MAC (Linux soon)
2. System Tray apps
3. Customizable window (think iTunes)
4. SQL runtime
5. File system access (read/write)
6. Javascript and HTML rendering
Seems like it can do a lot more than a web app. - SublimeRuin, on 02/26/2008, -4/+25Yeah - Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver, Flash, After Effects, Preimere.....all crap.
- razorsharp84, on 02/26/2008, -2/+20It almost appears that this announcement surprised the AIR development community. Very few applications are available at the moment on the Adobe site and of those most (maybe all) are only compatible with the last beta version.
- jasonhdavis, on 02/26/2008, -4/+22I believe it will have its place. The eBay app is a great example; a lot of people make their living on eBay. Creating the illusion of a stand alone app with more fluid and aesthetic design aspects is a benefit for the end user. Killer app? No, but it is a nice improvement.
- jimboejw, on 02/26/2008, -1/+18Considering its free....yes
- HellDonut, on 02/26/2008, -3/+17Aren't we all.
- blurrie, on 02/26/2008, -3/+16what are some good air apps?
- UberNick, on 02/26/2008, -0/+13The idea is to mesh web-based RIAs and desktop-based ones. Developers can take an application and compile two versions of it- one being a web version and the other being a desktop one. The desktop version could be installed in a single click (using an "install badge") for power users who want to use it offline. There are synchronization, online detection, and smart update features built into AIR that makes this easy. Desktop users can also break free of some limitations and benefit from file system access and multiple windows. It requires nearly no work for developers to blend the two types of apps.
We've saved a ton of development time because we used to maintain two completely separate apps-- one was a standard desktop app and the other was a AJAX web app. Flex 3 has allowed each to be more powerful and maintainable through a single code base. - punkcat, on 02/26/2008, -2/+14there main apps, photoshop, illustrator will keep them in business for a long time.
- UberNick, on 02/26/2008, -1/+12Coming out soon! Not feature complete yet.
- Klowner, on 02/26/2008, -1/+12their
- chadu, on 02/26/2008, -1/+12i don't think you are truly correct here... you can indeed access the file system etc with AIR apps. Do you get to monkley with the Windows registry, I don't think so... but this to me seems like a benefit. I have little time for digging around in the bowels of windows when i simply need a quick app for a client or dashboard, etc.
- jonathansnook, on 02/26/2008, -0/+11Unrestricted just like every other desktop application you install (although, less access, actually.)
- noseeme, on 02/26/2008, -1/+12Their applications are good, except for the fact that they're all such damn bloatware. What the hell is Acrobat Reader doing that it needs to take so long to load? Flash player (browser plugin) is not bloated though.
- UberNick, on 02/26/2008, -0/+10Yeah I totally don't get it. Being a enterprise Java developer since the 1.3 days and using Flex since 2.0 beta gives me no perspective or insight. And that whole official press release on open sourcing the entire platform under the Mozilla license, totally bogus: http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressrel ...
Oh and that whole Adobe open source site featuring flex and their data integration set (http://opensource.adobe.com ) only exists in imagination land.
Oh yeah, their open bug and feature request system, patch upload system, and open code repository... that actually has nothing to do with open source. My bad, javaroast, my bad.
http://bugs.adobe.com/flex/ http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/S ...
http://opensource.adobe.com/svn/opensource/flex/sd ...
I beg you to find these Java counterparts. Then look up "open source" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source - tkcom, on 02/26/2008, -1/+11Nike?
- UberNick, on 02/26/2008, -0/+10This was definitely big tech news. The blogs and forums exploded yesterday. This technology is a huge step forward for RIAs and the tech community is interested in trying it out. You don't have to pay anything for the SDK and there's a generous trial period for the IDE so I don't see this as a "buy this" type article.
- JSager, on 02/26/2008, -5/+14This isn't an advertisement. There are a number of us who have been waiting for this news, and I for one was excited when I saw the headline come across the board.
- nick1000, on 02/26/2008, -1/+10and how is that different from any other desktop application ?
- Phocion55, on 02/26/2008, -2/+11IDE-wise, check out Aptana Studio. The community edition is free. http://www.aptana.com/air
Here's a screencast on how to install the plug-in and SDK: http://www.aptana.tv/movies/aptana_air/aptana_air. ... - tempusrob, on 02/26/2008, -0/+8You don't need to use Flash at all, if you don't want. I prototyped an app in AIR and it was simply XHTML and JavaScript w/ AJAX ... The only AIR-specific stuff was some JS thrown in to take advantage of its connectivity detection and offline storage capability. It could otherwise run unmodified in a normal browser.
- Bobski, on 02/26/2008, -0/+8And just what rights are taken away by this new and wondrous technology?
As far as I'm concerned, if you stream it to my PC I have ever right to save it, but in case no one is noticing, just try to download any of the newer .FLV files from sites other than YouTube.
Impossible! - aiyo, on 02/26/2008, -5/+13Just uninstalled it. I think it needs more time... Upon launching the ebay app it crashed, and who knows about security... I'm sure it has potential but I don't feel like beta testing... It seems that 1.0 is he new .8 beta these days...
- DeFex, on 02/26/2008, -4/+12I wonder if it is as well tuned and lean as acrobat.
- chris9902, on 02/26/2008, -3/+10It's only been out a day.
- thinman1189, on 02/26/2008, -2/+9Will it be worth the money?
- UberNick, on 02/26/2008, -1/+8As for unit tests, we've been using FlexUnit (http://code.google.com/p/as3flexunitlib/ ) without issue. It's also tied into our continuous integration environment so it works like the rest of our code base. Integration tests for AIR apps are a bit difficult now because good tools haven't been built. The SDK does support it, thought, and I foresee a Mercury QTP suite sometime soon.
- directrix13, on 02/26/2008, -5/+12***** that. This means another proprietary piece of ***** platform. Just run Windows if you want this *****. I'd much rather go with Java with WebStart over this abomination.
- ileftfark, on 02/26/2008, -4/+11Could they just come out with a Flash plugin for Linux that doesn't crash your browser every 15 minutes? I'd be happier with that.
- ImOscar, on 02/26/2008, -0/+6It's not a hard rule to remember. Can you replace the word with "it is?"
YES: it's
NO: its - FasterGun, on 02/26/2008, -1/+7You dont seem to understand who Adobe is.
- BoneStamp, on 02/26/2008, -2/+8Check out FlexUnit.
- arrjka, on 02/26/2008, -4/+10I never intended to use AIR, but I would be wary of all Adobe products after the bloat that Acrobat and the Photoshop suite have become.
- geoken, on 02/26/2008, -0/+6Well you already saw one advantage. The other being the fact that your web app and desktop app have the same code base.
- fichek, on 02/26/2008, -3/+9no thanks, cocoa > AIR
- ChinkInMyArmor, on 02/26/2008, -0/+5Not impossible, just difficult. Use Linux to bypass the cache lock on Windows.
- rickyx2001, on 02/26/2008, -2/+7I'm excited because: I can make Kiosk applications that connect to a database and send kiosk data out to a server -- WITHOUT having to embed Flash in a VB shell. Previously I needed an intermediary to write to an access database, but now Flash can write directly to a local SQL-Lite DB natively.
Also in developing applications for a CD-ROM (e-learning related), I won't 1) Be limited by SharedObject file size limits because now I can write data to local files (XML), and 2) Need to publish as a Flash Projector and hack the icon and title bar, 3) Won't need to make an installer using InstallShield -- AIR will do that for me!! 4) Won't need to publish a separate Projector file for Windows and Mac -- the AIR file is platform independent, and will work on other platforms in the future (think Java Runtime).
The ONLY downside is the requirement that the users have the AIR Runtime installed already, but hopefully it will follow in the popularity of the Flash player. - positron, on 02/26/2008, -2/+7Yeah, just like they do with Photoshop and Illustrat... Oh. Never mind.
- BoneStamp, on 02/26/2008, -1/+6It's free and the SDK is open source... that sounds like money well spent.
- ileftfark, on 02/26/2008, -0/+5Informative, and even-tempered. You realize you're on Digg, right? ;)
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