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- zzzpoohzzz, on 12/01/2007, -0/+15i enjoyed the list starting out at 0... made me giggle a little bit, silly computers...
- RioGangsta, on 12/01/2007, -0/+12it's a balance for a start up to work. There are too many start up cases with A+ engineers, but failed because their biz team were just clueless
- Vasant56, on 12/01/2007, -1/+12My Tip: If you need to read a digg article on startup tips, you're not ready for a startup.
- bzaks, on 12/01/2007, -2/+12Hmm... So that's why all 200 of my start-up companies failed.... you're actually supposed to WRITE the code first.... drag...
- buckrogers1965, on 12/01/2007, -1/+9I stopped reading when I got to the part where it says young people make better engineers. For large production systems? Naw, give me a half dozen 50 year old programming gurus with proven large scale development experience any day over 6 guys strait out of school.
- sockpuppets, on 12/01/2007, -2/+9The technology required to create a pictures section must be staggering. :)
- dtraneighty8, on 10/07/2008, -0/+7I bet you gave him the + for starting the list at 0.
- frzl, on 12/01/2007, -0/+6great, great post. Although I think code for code's sake does not a business make!
- FaithclubDotNet, on 12/01/2007, -1/+7Do not reinvent the wheel. It has already been patented.
- Lazaryn, on 12/01/2007, -0/+4Completely disagree with point 4. Don't ask questions about code, look at their code yourself. Take for example myself--I have been programming for ten years, four years professionally, with no formal education in the area and although I do not know what some algorithms are called I can still write more efficient code faster than the software engineering graduates I have worked with over the years.
- RyeBrye, on 12/01/2007, -0/+4"Why worry about having millions of users while you do not have any at all right now?"
Err... 'cause you can, and if you don't have your head up your ass it's not that hard. If you don't do that, you're stuck with the problem of making PHP scale. - SatansSpatula, on 12/01/2007, -1/+5Lousy article.
"0 - Must have code." Um, what? Isn't that what the business is for? Isn't this a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem? Or is he saying, "you must have code in order to get funding," which quite a different situation.
"5 - Avoid hiring managers." I've been at a startup. The only thing that kept us working together (since we were all 'passionately' working in our own area) was our excellent, excellent manager. How about just, "don't hire douchebags who waste time"? Also, "the best startup engineers are people who are young and hungry to write code." WTF? Without wisdom, you will be implementing awful, hamstringing practices and probably writing ***** code.
The best engineers are a little lazy and highly experienced. Why? Because we see the value of coding for the future as well as the present. - geomon, on 12/01/2007, -1/+4Item #5: Have you ever noticed how many small companies have a secretary who runs the office yet is not the office manager. He or she (most often, she) handles all of the calls, makes all of the appointments, handles all of the receivables and posts the payables - sent to an *outsourced* accountant - and also rounds up all of the time sheets (or makes sure everyone certifies their online timecards). So while Alex says "avoid hiring a manager", what he really means is what every small company means - dump everything on the low-wage secretary.
And what about conflict management? Who mediates conflict between people who, by their very nature, have elevated self-worth (I work with MANY A+ engineers). Who does the performance reviews? Are these handled by the employees themselves?
I think Alex is a solo SOHO who works from his converted garage/office. It is easy to make grand conclusions about how to run a business when you are the sole proprietor and the only employee. It gets much muddier when there are 30 employees in your company and tempers flare. - johnnyrotten, on 12/01/2007, -0/+3I wish all of what he said was true, but I have a problem with the whole intro to the article. The fact is, lots of successful startups have started with what I would consider "bad code". In order to get the thing out the door, they don't think about the future. Instead, management will believe that they have time to fix the code after they are successful. That never happens.
- bluesnowmonkey, on 12/01/2007, -0/+3Cobalt? It's blue or what?
- buckrogers1965, on 12/01/2007, -0/+3I agree. The manager can take a lot of load off the team and have short meetings every couple of days with individuals on the team, catching up with the status, monitoring the bug reports and liaising with QA and Management so the coders on the team can just code and never have to sit in a meeting unless they absolutely have to be there. Think of it as the manager being there for the team, instead of the team being there for the manager.
- tempusrob, on 12/01/2007, -0/+3And who knows how much money they blew making the backend not suck, as opposed to if it were done right the first time!
- atishmeh, on 12/01/2007, -0/+3You don't understand what stock options are. Stock options are shares in the company you work for. Equity. If the company goes on to be worth a billion and you were given 1% of the company in stock options, you get 10 million.
- physicx, on 12/01/2007, -4/+6great article. the engineer points are so true.
- RyeBrye, on 12/01/2007, -0/+2I don't think he was referring to any specific certification
- surfing, on 12/01/2007, -0/+2Prior art!
- joshuaer, on 12/01/2007, -2/+4Great article but you say: Hire a few of the best guns you can find, pay them well, give them stock options, make them happy and jazz them up about the company.
Stock options??? this is Software Engineering Tips for Startups. Most startups do not have the cash to be on the stock market! - robbyjo, on 12/01/2007, -1/+3I agree with you for item 2. An A+ engineer needs a lot of $$, which is mostly not a luxury for most people with tight budgets. Unless, of course, your A+ engineer is one of the co-founder that's willing to spare time to do the coding for free.
For item #5, you can run an office without a manager for a while (at least until you get a funding or something), but definitely not forever. At least you need to have someone to answer the phone /etc. That is a secretary (or yourself).
For item #7, sometimes this option is not feasible if there's no non-free library that you can readily use for commercial applications. That means, GPL-ed codes are usually off limits (which unfortunately a lot out there). - adwarereport, on 12/01/2007, -1/+3His points are dead on... this is coming from a successful serial entrepreneur. Your post makes it seem like you have no startup experience whatsoever.
- davidrools, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1I think the things he mentions are on point for genuine startups of 2-10 employees. If your idea is good enough, you can find an A+ engineer to work primarily for options. That's the engineer that will be passionate both for the love of the work and for the potential payout.
- vanza001, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1ha I'll throw my 2c in.
#6 - Agile Development actually has nothing to do with weather or not you choose to embrace outsourcing. Agile development is a way of planning and developing concurrently. What is to be made changes over time on purpose instead of by chance. The chance happens to be 100% as t goes to infinity so this is a much better way to plan. This allows the developers to better understand and plan for the change. Alex is not contradicting himself. - vade79, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1#4: Honestly, I personally look at credentials as initial bloat. Also, what some people consider tough questions don't analyze problem solving skills--which is what is really important. Can the person solve unique/unexpected problems and come up with innovative ideas as they are needed...personally i've noticed standardized schooling does not churn out good results for these kind of people.
- KingBunny, on 12/01/2007, -1/+2I've also heard the argument "outsource all the boring parts" instead of growing, because you make the same as a larger company, only you just do the cool stuff. At least that's what I heard from a local company which is apparently well off, and small.
- eatmorgnome, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1Has the author of this article started his own successful startups?
- CSharpSauce, on 12/01/2007, -1/+2almost right, DEFINITELY go with some experienced guys... but to old, and you're going to get C code that looks like COBALT. Its hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Technology is constantly changing, you need someone who's been around the block, but isn't tired yet.
- CSharpSauce, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1Round the clock coding from hundreds of engineers.... Nothing explains the advent of managed code better :) They needed some way to stop all those sloppy coding mistakes (memory leaks and hanging pointers.. and such)
- davidstory, on 12/01/2007, -1/+2I my be biased, but a passionate "experienced" engineer is way more valuable than a "wanna be" young engineer.
- fileptr, on 12/03/2007, -0/+1dugg for numbering from 0 to 7.
- CSharpSauce, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1+1 from me, Management doesn't look at the code all day, only what your tech lead is telling them about the code.... and he' s not going to admit that the code they produced earlier (under his supervision) is inferior.
- luseton, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1Outsourcing?? Bad?? Some parts of Digg was outsourced. It is up to the project manager to make sure outsourcing goes well. I have given some project locally and even that, without project management, goes down the drain. You have to know what you want and clearly define before you outsource.
- stockjones, on 12/02/2007, -0/+1Although this list sounds great in theory, you put a small group of these types of engineers together and you have a room full of hubris and conflict to deal with. Nothing is worse or more expensive than dealing with a group of programmers who all think their coding style and methods are best. Especially without any management of the project whatsoever. And young programmers the best? What?
- PatrickX, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1You can have stock options with a company that isn't traded publicly. They are granted based on the difference between the company's own estimate of its current value and its targeted public value. The option only has worth if the company goes public (through IPO or acquisition) at a value higher than its current value.
- atishmeh, on 12/01/2007, -1/+2This is about startups - specifically early on in startups, not around large production systems
- SavageBlackCat, on 12/01/2007, -1/+1It's a laundry list of how to make a startup fail.
- inactive, on 12/01/2007, -1/+1Hey I give you 20%, work for FREE till my company makes it big.
- zomgflamer, on 12/01/2007, -1/+1WHy start with good code, just start with functional code and charge more money for each version upgrade thats what major companies have been doing.
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- lolo2007, on 02/29/2008, -0/+0I've also heard the argument "outsource all the boring parts" instead of growing, because you make the same as a larger company, only you just do the cool stuff. At least that's what I heard from a local company which is apparently well off, and small.
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The free version is very popular, bat I didn't have much success with the paid version that I've just released.
Can some one tell me if this is a good business idea and should I try to start doing this full time and hire more developers or business partners? What is the next step if I want to? Is anyone interested doing this together?
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http://astore.amazon.com/outdoor.chaise.lounge-20 - roodammy44, on 12/01/2007, -2/+1Not entirely true.
Myspace's underlying functions were coded amazingly poorly, their servers were all in the same farm (which went down several times) and apparently they're worth $6 billion now.
Lots of poorly coded and engineered websites have gone far.
But they're good tips. - digid, on 12/01/2007, -2/+1myspace?
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