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- Lancer383, on 10/11/2007, -11/+110@SPECOPS
You're totally missing the point. He's not saying that manslaughter (your first example) and murder should be treated the same. He's saying that someone's motive for a murder should not change the punishment for a crime.
He's saying that if you planned to kill a person for a year because he/she slept with your spouse, and then killed them, the punishment should be the same as if your reason was because you targeted them because of their race/sexuality/ etc. - roosterjm2k2, on 10/11/2007, -27/+119Hate crime bills are just feel good bills.
2 Scenarios.
1: White man kills black man. Its very easy to turn the case into a hate-crime case based on race. Lets say the guy killed him over something simple, road rage or whatever, maybe he just lost it...doesnt matter. So he kills the guy...it doesnt take a huge push to turn it into a hate crime because of the difference of race.
2: White man kills white man who he honestly HATES. Not for race, religion, politics, he just hates the guy. Premeditated, has hated him his whole life. Its not a hate crime, because it doesnt fall into the pre-defined categories of hate.
Murder is murder, motive is irrelevant. - crawfishsoul, on 10/11/2007, -1/+60Looks to me like it says faq. Perhaps someone just had a frequently asked question for her.
- apzdsx, on 10/11/2007, -2/+57Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the reason they call it a 'hate crime' is because they don't target a specific person, but any person based on their race/religion/sexuality/whatever. Still, I don't think the laws are particularly effective, since I doubt criminals are thinking about the consequences when they commit their crimes.
- superguysteve, on 10/11/2007, -13/+62I was expecting a list of people who own a VW Beetle...
- Spooner, on 10/11/2007, -8/+53Regardless of whether you think a hate crime should or should not be treated differently legally, it's still an accurate description of what it is. Granted you could get much more specific than "hate crime," and insist it be called a "discrimination crime" or, if you want to be really specific "crime directed towards a homosexual person with intent to intimidate and harass," but hey, most of us just say "hate crime" and don't bother with all the unnecessary additions.
To say that that a crime is a crime is a crime ignores the effects those crimes have. Vandalizing someone's car with just some general symbol is certainly annoying to whoever owns the car, but vandalizing it with something derogatory aimed specifically at that person's race, sexuality, religion, or whatever has the added effect of intimidating that person, causing them to live in fear, and if the display is public, causing others of the same race, sexuality, religion, or whatever to live in the same fear.
To say that to carve a smiley face into someone's car is the same as carving something like "*****" is plain ignorance. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+48Are you sure it's a hate crime? Sounds like someone might have had a WoW chat flashback and had a can of spray paint.
- Tenric, on 10/11/2007, -2/+36I did think she was an attractive real life lesbian.
- ArtificialAnus, on 10/11/2007, -6/+38
Good for her not taking this kind of crap lying down, not allowing herself to become a victim.
Contrast with racial slur sofa lady:
http://www.thestar.com/Article/200265
...who allows herself to be "victimized" by a chinese worker's poor translation.
AA - DavePee, on 10/11/2007, -21/+52Good for her on turning a vile hate crime into a cause, and bringing it to a wider audience's attention.
- mweflen, on 10/11/2007, -3/+30@heker
I am sure she is positively quaking wet with excitement at the prospect... - Billiam627, on 10/11/2007, -2/+26I go to school in Albany, and I can tell you that this sort of thing is remarkably common. I've had my car broken into several times this year alone. One guy who lives in my dorm had "I hate Jews" spray painted on his car. Must be a lot of bored kids around here...
- greysun, on 10/11/2007, -0/+23"The gay people I know either drive Mercedes or BMW. Rich *****."
This is an unintended side effect of them being denied the right to marry and have children... SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE!!! Let them suffer with the rest of us! - pingveno, on 10/11/2007, -11/+31@tyrannysucks
It's easy to say that until you're part of a minority community that is terrorized by hate crimes. For a community like the GLBT community that is often the target of harassment (let's go beat up some fags!), larger punishments helps protect them. - sigmaman2, on 10/11/2007, -15/+35"Why shouldn't everyone be protected equally by the law?"
Because not everyone is attacked equally by the criminals. - rspeed, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19I give a damn.
- sigmaman2, on 10/11/2007, -13/+30@specops & Rooster
Hate crimes deserve special treatment because the motive for the crime never goes away.
1. White guy kills Black guy. The shooter says "He had a gun, and he was raising it toward me." That's not a hate crime. He was reacting to a SITUATION. The situation has past, therefore the motivation to kill has past.
2. White guy kills White guy. The shooter says "He was Irish, and all Irish deserve to die!" That's a hate crime because he was motivated by the PERSON HIMSELF. And the shooter will always be motivated to kill other Irish people. - neoiceman, on 10/11/2007, -2/+18Reminds me of an episode of "Queer as Folk" where brians jeep was spray painted with the word *****.
w00t for gay pride! :D - tdogg241, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15@jcm267: What evolutionary advantage do black people add to the gene pool? None, right? Would you say that being black is a flaw?
I've actually read arguments that homosexuality could be a species' own response to overpopulation. Given that we're at ~6.5B people on the planet, and that number's expected to hit 8.0B in 20 years, our species could procreate ourselves out of existence. I don't necessarily agree with the perspective, but people just need to get it through their skulls that not fitting in with perceived norms in a society does not make someone flawed. - JustAZombie, on 10/11/2007, -5/+20Yeah, but his point was ridiculous, given that the article was describing her emotional reaction to the crime. Treating hate crimes differently under the law is immaterial in this context; it was the motive behind the crime that affected her so deeply, not the crime itself. If this had been a case of simple vandalism, nobody would be talking about it.
- Lister169, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14Yeah, it was probably supposed to say "r u gay" on the hood.
- tpaine, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15maybe if you had read the article you would know that :
“If someone who knew me wanted to personally hurt me, they wouldn’t write, ‘u r gay’ on my car,” she said. “It’s like writing ‘u r straight’ on someone car who is straight. It doesn’t have any impact or weight.”
Erin assumed that whomever spray-painted her car wanted her to feel that being gay was a bad thing instead of something she should be proud of.
She isn't taking it as something directed at "Erin who lives in 4B" but rather as something directed at "that fag who parks their car on my street". It's still targeting her because of her rainbow sticker and clearly not "random vandalism". - Callidus, on 10/11/2007, -13/+26^ Ironic no?
- bIuebonics, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13@jcm267: What evolutionary advantage do homosexuals add to the gene pool?
well let's see: they'd be more apt to adopt a child than to reproduce and add to the advancement of overpopulation. if a species becomes too large for their available resources then a collapse would be imminent. the more gay and lesbians there are the slower the rate of our population increase and the more time we have to find and utilize more resources. basically, gays are the savior of the human race... and lesbians are just awesome. ;) - MisterRik, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Rosstizma - I'm not and yet I also care. I'm male but I also care about womens rights. I'm unlikely to suffer from racism yet I care about that too. There is however something I don't care for. Narrow minded little people like you. Welcome to my block list
- merreborn, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14image mirrored:
http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=erinnbug21ed5.jpg
Text is available at:
http://duggmirror.com/politics/who_s_driving_the_fag_bug_and_why - Spooner, on 10/11/2007, -4/+16"But whatever, if she wants to drive a giant rainbow that says 'Fag Bug' from now on instead of just getting the car cleaned up, I guess that's her choice."
I can see why she's doing it. To show people who might see the car the kind of treatment gay people sometimes get in this country. - ldark21, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12a mental disease ... are u serious?
- whutwhut, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12@ heker, and especially @ diggfight,
you guys are ***** *****. - isuisorisuaint, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11sorry for the comment abuse....http://www.fagbug.com
- tdogg241, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10"The seventh printing of the DSM-II, in 1974, no longer listed homosexuality as a category of disorder."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnostic_and_Statistical_Manual_of_Mental_Disorders
I think you'd better use more current research materials in learning about "the gay thing." - rollem, on 10/11/2007, -6/+15Um, it's not like there are many anti-straight hate crimes out there. If there were, then maybe people would try to bring attention to it.
- TRENT310, on 10/11/2007, -2/+111. What constitutes 'comment abuse', anyway?
1.1 I tend to think of it as 'replying to the first comment just to appear at the top' but that was just a normal comment, not a reply to one either.
1.2. Maybe it means off topicness. Like this comment.
1.2.1 Maybe I should just stop complaining. And categorizing my numbering. - dweeb79, on 10/11/2007, -6/+14I'm going out on a limb here.
Maybe the person who painted it didn't know how to spell the word "Dyke" - dsaint, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8@merreborn
Here in Texas hate crimes are prosecuted separately from the regular crime. They're not just an enhancer. Due to the difficulty of prosecuting I believe there have been less than 5 successful prosecutions in the state since passage of the James Byrd Hate Crimes act. - thnksnow, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10a chic driving a grey bug thats nothing ...the other day i saw a middleaged man driving a neon green bug with his shirt-off. I almost scratched my eyes out!
- pingveno, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8@jcm267
In terms of evolution, homosexuality doesn't really matter. Homosexuality happens in only about 2-4% of the population and individuals can still reproduce, even if the relationship is loveless. In a primitive world where producing a lot of children is top priority, humans can reproduce and raise their children without sexual attraction. In the modern world, it's so easy for us to have enough children survive to create the next generation that being able to give birth to a child is secondary to parenting. - MisterRik, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Are you a girl?
- tpaine, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10mirror: http://duggmirror.com/politics/who_s_driving_the_fag_bug_and_why/
- PPoff, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9The ostensible justification for treating hate crime with a higher penalty is that it is a particularly dangerous crime. For example that's why we treat pre-meditated murder more than manslaughter (we think the person who planned out the murder is a bit more of a danger to society than someone who killed through gross negligence).
I'm not disagreeing that "hate crime" is often trotted out for political reasons, but at least in principle there is a justification for the distinction. - bIuebonics, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12wow... she's pretty hot...
- merreborn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7That link is relevant to the article, therefore posting it is both on topic and insightful.
The site refers to the same person as TFA, and one of images is in TFA. - GiggleStick, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Is it safe to drive with your window obscured with opaque paint like that?
- kaiser44, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10If I see it can I still slug my gay brother?
- hifiDesign, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8@ the douchebag who said: "I believe homosexuality is a mental disease though and shouldn't be encouraged."
I believe your bigotry is a symbol of regression in human evolution and you should be exterminated for the absolute ignorance and intolerance contained in that statement. Doesn't make me right, though, does it? Just an *****. FYI.
/sarcasm - tdogg241, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Also, why is it difficult from a male's perspective to fathom lesbianism!? You apparently like women, how can you blame anyone else for feeling the same way?
- pingveno, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Have you ever listened to rap?
- tdogg241, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I miss that show. +digg for you!
- merreborn, on 10/11/2007, -15/+21"For a community like the GLBT community that is often the target of harassment (let's go beat up some fags!), larger punishments helps protect them."
Why shouldn't everyone be protected equally by the law? I thought that was one of the concepts this country was founded on. - merreborn, on 10/11/2007, -5/+10Good call. No self respecting gay man would be caught dead in a VW bug.
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