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- DharmaDog, on 04/10/2008, -4/+168It certainly appears that what this school is doing is illegal. I am not a religious person. I don't care if the school in question is Muslim, Catholic, Jewish or whatever. If the Muslim American Society wants to establish a school in Minnesota, fine, but they need to do it without taxpayer dollars.
- PATSCRU, on 04/10/2008, -12/+151i don't coddle anything. no religion should be in any schools
- Idiggapony, on 04/10/2008, -23/+110The school's executive director, Asad Zaman, isn't just "a Muslim imam." He's the founder of the Muslim American Society of Minnesota, which which shares its building with this school. The Muslim American Society of Minnesota, in turn, is the local chapter of the Muslim American Society (MAS). MAS, in turn, is the American chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood, a violent Islamist organization that is based in Egypt, and has spawned a number of Sunni terrorist groups. One of the two stated goals of the Muslim Brotherhood is "the introduction of the Muslim shariah as the basis controlling the affairs of state and society."
http://www.muslimbrotherhood.co.uk/Home.asp?zPage= ...
http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc ...
The mere existence of any of these groups on American soil is an outrage, and shows the fraudulence and ineffectiveness of the so-called "war on terrorism." The fact that American taxpayers' money is being used to support any religious school is unacceptable. When the school in question is so closely affiliated with extremist groups that support terrorism, it's beyond outrageous, it's downright mind-boggling.
To its credit, the ACLU has responded to Kathleen Kersten's article by breaking with its usual practice of accepting state subsidy of Muslim religious practice, and initiating an investigation of this school.
http://www.aclu-mn.org/downloads/LettertoTarekAcad ...
- inactive, on 04/10/2008, -9/+95Follow the money. follow the money, follow the money: WHAT slime eating politician(s) are taking campaign contributions to allow this? It's easy to find out, and there will be no surprises. This brave journalist needs to take the process just one step further, since no one else seems willing.
- OpieDog, on 04/10/2008, -96/+167Why are we so quick to slam anything Christian, Mormon, or Jewish, yet so eager to appease and coddle anything Muslim?
- ZandorMonkeyBoy, on 04/10/2008, -11/+73Apparently because they all have bombs.
/sarcasm - akamurph, on 04/10/2008, -3/+61Agreed. My parents sent me to a Catholic school growing up... that was their choice, but they paid for it out of their own pockets!
This is complete B.S., if it were a Catholic school it would be closed in a heartbeat. - Zarokima, on 04/10/2008, -11/+52I could pretty accurately be described as "liberal," and I hate all religions equally. I have no problem with people going to church, worshipping as they wish, or whatever, since they're not infringing on anyone else's rights, and it's their right to practice religion as they choose. However, when you bring religion into public schools you are infringing on the rights of every student there who doesn't follow your particular branch of fantasy.
It doesn't matter at all that the school is Muslim, it matters that it's a public school of any religion. I would be just as outraged were this school actively indoctrinating children into Christianity, Judaism, or any other modern mythology.
Schools are places of education and facts. Schools are ideally where people go to become educated and learn things which are actually true. Religion has no place in school.
Of course, I realize you're either a troll or a very well-indoctrinated moron (check her comment history if you don't recognize her) and this will be completely ignored since your brain has developed the wonderful defense that if you don't already accept it as true it's automatically false regardless of evidence. So, in conclusion, ***** off and die. - dinostabOMG, on 04/10/2008, -3/+43We're not coddling anyone. This is the beginning of the end for that school. Hopefully some people who facilitated this will get sued for the taxpayer's money as well.
- satanatnmtedu, on 04/10/2008, -18/+54Where, is this article, are Muslims coddled? Where in American life, where Muslims are targeted due to their religion and dress, are Muslims coddled? Nowhere.
- inactive, on 04/10/2008, -16/+50I swear to God, I'm sick of this *****. "Oh, the Muslims are being coddled." Don't need any examples, any evidence whatsoever, but people just eat that ***** up.
- hime77, on 04/10/2008, -1/+34Gazima-
I have nothing against any person who believes in Islam or any other religion. The question here is why we should let any religion be taught in a public funded school?
This is something that our government has taken a position on and said there should be no mixing of public school and any religion. I would be perfectly fine with this school if it was not a public charter school. - Zarokima, on 04/10/2008, -4/+36Given the comparison to evolution, I assume you mean creationism (intelligent design, they're the same thing). Creationism is considered a theory only by those who don't know what a scientific theory is. There is absolutely no (zero, none, nil, nothing, zilch) evidence for creationism, where as evolution has a ***** of evidence for it, which is WHY it's a scientific theory. This is also why evolution is taught as fact (it IS). This is also why religion has no place in schools: schools are places for FACTS, as in things that can and have been proven. The only "evidence" available for ANY religious belief is its respective texts, which in a great many cases (for all religions) contradict reality. You keep fairytales out of my school and I'll keep logic and evidence out of your church.
Speaking of theories, how do you feel about children being taught gravity as if it's fact? After all, it's only a theory and they should be taught other beliefs. - OPTheory, on 04/10/2008, -5/+34"No religion should be in any schools."
I assume you mean that no School should ENDORSE a religion? Outright banning of religious expression (or lack thereof, it really goes both ways) in schools among students is kind of unlawful, don't you think? - mali1, on 04/10/2008, -7/+36If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13
How to sell your daughter -- and what to do if she fails to please her new master. 21:7-8
A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. 21:15, 17
God instructs the Israelites, through the prophet Elisha, to implement a scorched earth policy on the Moabites. "Strike every fortified city and every choice city, and fell every good tree and stop all springs of water, and mar every good piece of land with stones." 3:19-25
God tells the people to expel from camp "every leper, every one that hath an issue, and whoever is defiled by the dead." So by God's instructions, the sick are abandoned and left to suffer and die alone. 5:1-4
"Consume them in thy wrath, consume them." -- more sweet prayers to a savage god. 59:13
Those who worship "other gods" are wicked. 1:16
God plans to send enemy nations against his "chosen people." 1:14-15
So, uh, what was your point again? - abcxyz53, on 04/10/2008, -24/+53How the Qur’an states that nonbelivers should be treated:
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:_Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source:) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers.... - inactive, on 04/10/2008, -7/+34We're not. ***** 'em all.
- makkaveli19, on 04/10/2008, -0/+27***** this. i'm from a muslim family and i think it's outrageous that taxpayers are expected to pay for islamic education. make it private and charge money. or GTFO
- abcxyz53, on 04/10/2008, -16/+43This school is an outrage- and public funding must be stopped ASAP.
The previous poster doesn't mention how the "Holy Qur’an" states that non-believers in Islam should be dealt with- and it doesn't have anything to do with peace, love or tolerance. - postingbh, on 04/10/2008, -22/+47The path to Sharia in America is paved by two groups:
1) Christian zealots who would ***** all over the constitution if it meant ending abortion and homosexuality. These people insist that the Bible dictate US law without realizing that they're leaving the door wide open for other religions and holy books to do the same. The tunnel vision of these dumbasses is astonishing.
2) Politically correct douchebags who don't have the guts to call our barbarism when it hides behind the veil of religion. These fools are bending over backwards in Canada and Europe, with the US well on it's way. - inactive, on 04/10/2008, -0/+24Why? Bacause our tax dollars should not go toward pushing your beliefs on others. We are not forcing you to become Atheist. We are just asking that you pay for your own venue to push your religion rather than make us chip in on perpetuating it.
- Ashur420, on 04/10/2008, -4/+27I'm from Minnesota, and I am an Atheist and this pisses me the ***** off. I'm writing my congressman...like the douche-bag will do anything about it though.
- inactive, on 04/10/2008, -1/+23Your right to religious expression is fine as long as it does not interfere with a child's education. Once it does, you have violated that child's rights.
Have a problem with this? Then send your kids to private school. It's your God and your belief system. It should be your dollar that pays to teach it to your children. - postingbh, on 04/10/2008, -3/+24"Our country is based on CHRISTIANITY and not islam."
- What do you mean by "our country?" Are you referring to our laws, our people, what? You foolishly make this broad, sweeping, "our country" claim and stamp it down like you've just said something meaningful.
"Our Constitution is there as a "living" document, meaning that it should not change, but rather up hold our Judeo-Christianity beliefs."
- The Constitution does not exist to uphold your religious beliefs. The Constitution is explicitly secular. What part of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" do you not understand? How can you possibly read the first amendment and still say the purpose of the Constitution is to "up hold our Judeo-Christian beliefs?"
"Sadly, our country has let the far left-winged "human rights" activists deceive our country into believing that anything is right..."
- How does this even relate to the discussion at hand?
"I think there is a lot of people in America that need to open their eyes up and take an American History class."
- You should be first in line. moconnor second. Huckabee third. - inactive, on 04/10/2008, -9/+29Jesus, you must've wasted an hour writing that. Problem is you completely missed the point, but you didn't want to confront the point. You just want punish the living for the sins of the past. The point is you can't even pledge allegiance to the flag without the ACLU crying separation between church and state. We're trying to get them to be consistent or allow the new testament to be taught along with the Qur'an, the Torah, and anything else.
- wezel, on 04/10/2008, -6/+25Imagine a pubic funded school that encouraged atheism. Theists would be furious.
- Tangaroa, on 04/10/2008, -3/+22What part of "The ACLU of Minnesota has launched an investigation" are you having trouble comprehending?
- DharmaDog, on 04/10/2008, -1/+20The thought that someone would use this story to forward their agenda of getting the Bible or Torah or any religious text taught in school is frightening and is also in violation of the separation of church and state. My primary concern is upholding that separation, not using this as a pretext for the allowance of government backed religious schools.
There are already places specifically designed for religious use: churches, temples, mosques and the like. Why must it be in schools as well? - kinseyincanada, on 04/10/2008, -1/+20some Catholic Schools in Canada are public.
- travis6690, on 04/10/2008, -4/+22Thank you for once again equating Islam with terrorism. Just another drop in the sea of ignorance in this world.
- jenshik, on 04/10/2008, -7/+24Yes, and the Christian bible justifies killing thousands to fulfil the prophecies. Taking the writings of any religion absolutely literally is very destructive.
This is why I am no longer a Christian, because I believe in personal responsibility for my own actions. - exgop, on 04/10/2008, -13/+30Damn the people of Minnesota who vote for people who allow this.
- carpespasm, on 04/10/2008, -1/+18Based on the evidence we can gather he's not going to have much to worry about when he goes ***** up.
- Edrick, on 04/10/2008, -3/+19Belief's aren't sacred. They are not to be coddled or placed above criticism, and it's very arrogant to demand someone respect them. Do you really think Zaro cares what you think of his beliefs? Something tells me no. Humans deserve respect, of course, but their beliefs? If we ever want to have honesy in the Human Conversation we can't keep treating beliefs as sacred.
Besides, if what he said is all it takes to become offended when concerning your beliefs, then perhaps they were never that concrete in the first place. - Tenney20, on 04/10/2008, -4/+20It is bizarre to see this religious indoctrination going on in the United States, when all the court decisions have said impermissible.
- bagboyrebel, on 04/10/2008, -1/+17think of it this way, would you respect the beliefs of someone who believed in fairies or unicorns? From the atheist standpoint those beliefs make just as little sense.
@hojo05
are you serious? first of all, the majority of americans are christian, so your point about flag burning doesn't even make sense (i don't personally have a problem with it). And the world trade center? criticism is completely different than killing people. - Jexie, on 04/10/2008, -2/+17ell3 doesn't comprehend anything, the minute conservatives run out of talking points for her to repeat people are going to think she's mute.
- BevansDesign, on 04/10/2008, -3/+18I too agree. Go ahead and set up a Muslim school if you want to. It just shouldn't come out of my tax dollars. While we're at it, let's keep an eye out for Christian schools too. I'm sure there are dozens of them in MN that are doing the same thing.
All people must be free to worship the magical sky-man of their choice, but not on my dollar. - Edrick, on 04/10/2008, -0/+15I just said, though, that criticism of your beliefs should be expected. If it offends you, then either you're oversensitive or you have untenable beliefs. If he was belittling you as a human being, then yes, it would be fairly hateful of him. All he did was express how he sees religious belief. Why should he be stopped from doing this?
If you wanted to express your view on the potential nihilism that could result from atheism, just as an example, or whatever flaw you have in mind of his viewpoints, who's to stop you? Criticism is good for strengthening knowledge, that's all I'm saying.
Also, if he kept inserting some snide remark about religion any chance he got, then I can see how that would fast become annoying, but one off-hand remark? Eh, big deal. - Doremitoo, on 04/10/2008, -6/+21Why is nobody picketing this facility? Now that the truth is out, a picket line with some signs declaring it a muslim school is well within the freedom of speech. Why are local residents allowing this to occur?
- DharmaDog, on 04/10/2008, -2/+16Some quick stats from the UN's Human Development Report for 2007/2008.
Some Muslim countries (Lebanon) have adult literacy rates roughly equal to the USA (99%), but most of the major players in the Islamic world (Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia) hover closer to 80%. The problem areas for literacy in the Islamic world are in Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen, Afghanistan, plus more generally in Africa and South Asia with rates reaching lower than 40% in some countries.
I don't believe the UN groups countries by religion in this report, and I know that Arab does not equal Muslim, but the closest relevant group statistic I could find was the literacy rates of Arab countries, which is 70.3%. The world average is 78.6%.
It does not appear to be a great misconception that Islamic countries on average are generally, but not universally, less literate than western countries, but it is nowhere near the exaggerated illiteracy numbers that exgop suggests.
Literacy and its impact on religion (and vice versa) should be considered in this discussion. - BrewBeau, on 04/10/2008, -0/+14@Jashobeam5 I love how religious proponents try to use that like the founding fathers intended that phrase to be on our money. Yet, it's just propaganda added to the money in the 1950's to combat the ideals of the "godless communists".
- mali1, on 04/10/2008, -4/+18You, sir, are a bigot and a racist.
- jasontromm, on 04/10/2008, -3/+17"Can you imagine a public school founded by two Christian ministers, and housed in the same building as a church? Add to that – in the same building – a prominent chapel. And let's say the students are required to fast during Lent, and attend Bible studies right after school. All with your tax dollars," he wrote. "Inconceivable? Sure."
- staticneuron, on 04/10/2008, -1/+14Oh no no no, you missunderstand. We don't get upset at religous for trying to criticize science.... we are laughing at you. Science so far has led us to some wonderful break through in every aspect of our lives and many I am sure you are using. Science is based off of studying the world around us and trying to figure out how it works. Religion is based off of centuries old text and superstition. Please don't act offended because if we consider belief in ghosts superstition how can a god be any different?
- postingbh, on 04/10/2008, -6/+19"FYI western civiization is based on the 10 commandments..."
- Of course Christianity influenced the development of western civilization; I have no idea why you're even bringing this up. Our laws are not governed by any holy book, including the Bible, because our constitution is explicitly secular. Perhaps you have not read the first amendment to the constitution.
"And how the hell do relate that to "leaving the door wide open for other religions and holy books to do the same" in fact it will be the lack of a strong Judeo-Christian society that will leave the door open for Islamic influence."
- It's called legal precedent you ignorant *****. When you allow one religion to directly guide law, you allow all religions to do the same. You don't get to pick and choose which religions can dictate law. It's all or nothing. If Mike Huckabee and his band of religious nutjobs are successful in their attempt to "amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards," they are opening the door wide open for all religions to do the same. And when those Christian lunatics start bitching about Islam guiding law, those politically correct douchebags I referenced earlier will come to the defense of Sharia. Two groups paving the way to Sharia.
"So what is your point, would you have all religions outlawed?"
Please explain the ***** thought process you went through to arrive at this utterly insane conclusion. - Edrick, on 04/10/2008, -2/+15That, when taken literally, the holy books of Christianity and Islam form a basis of rationale that easily leads one into committing heinous acts against humanity. In other words, dogma is dangerous.
Also, make no mistake, there are plently of people taking their books literally, and telling us outright that what they do is for religious reasons. This shouldn't be ignored. - jlhoben, on 04/10/2008, -9/+22What is this us vrs them *****. Are there only two faiths in the entire universe? Not all Christians are the same. Not all Muslims are the same. I am just as afraid of right wing nutjobs in the west as in the Arab world. In fact they both work together for the same thing - war.
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