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- chaosmachine, on 10/12/2007, -8/+182big brother is watching you.
- Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -5/+123Fact check:
"It is illegal in Britain even to defend one's family against home invaders."
Wrong. It is illegal to use deadly force to defend your property. It is still legal to use deadly force to defend your lives, and it is still (grey-zone) legal to use reasonable force to defend your property.
"First guns, and now kitchen knives have been outlawed."
Wrong. Knives are perfectly legal. What is illegal is carrying a knife in public.
"Drivers can be pulled over for not having their arms bent at the proper angle."
I don't even have the first clue what you are talking about here. - verifex, on 10/12/2007, -14/+126Holy *****! Are you guys sure this isn't a prop from "V For Vendetta" or "Childen of Men"? Please tell me it is a prop.
- Sasabune, on 10/12/2007, -2/+96England will prevail!
- cheez, on 10/12/2007, -14/+91we were always at war with Iraq, never with Afghanistan.
- whereisian, on 10/12/2007, -2/+69"the consciousness of being at war, and therefore in danger, makes the handing-over of all power to a small caste seem the natural, unavoidable condition of survival."
1984 - George Orwell
Part 2, Chapter 9, pg. 192 - venicerocco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+66
Not sure how cameras could stop a suicide bomber. What do they care if you film his act? - Klarth, on 10/12/2007, -3/+67WE aren't "lost souls" - The people in charge are.
Believe me we hate this ***** as much as anyone else. - thashiz, on 10/12/2007, -7/+69Saruman would be pleased.
- Bushlied, on 10/12/2007, -7/+60How in the world is a poster like this supposed to bring a sense of security to the average citizen? A sense of happiness? A feeling of absolute trust that your government is doing a great job at protecting your freedoms and providing security. What a freaking joke. Hypocracy!
The Brits are screwed. We're next. - catullus, on 10/12/2007, -7/+59All this talk of the UK and England... I'm sorry, did you mean Oceania?
- Raian, on 10/12/2007, -8/+60Good thing they had those cameras... and stopped that bombing of the busses and the subway-- isn't that right gawtmilk? CCTV saves the day again!
- hipnerd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+44Socialism really isn't the issue here, is it? I mean the Netherlands and Sweden both have far more socialist tendencies than Great Britain, yet they have no such programs to monitor their populace (that I am aware of.)
This type of "Big Brother" mentality is much closer in spirit to fascism where the party exists above all, or run-of-the-mill totalitarianism, which can spring from almost any political system. Interpreting this as an offshoot of socialism seems like a pretty far stretch to me. - Stonedonkey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+44This poster has been popping up in the UK for about four years now.
I guess it couldn't be smuggled out until just now. - Zantozz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+45The biggest thing I thought of when I saw that poster was of 1984 -- and how fiction has become fact. It's a scary world we live in.
- Ystig, on 10/12/2007, -2/+39"All this talk of the UK and England... I'm sorry, did you mean Oceania?"
No, they mean Airstrip One
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airstrip_One - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+37"nothing to fear unless you're a terrorist or hoodlum."
And who defines terrorist and hoodlum? Those who are watching? Could your innocent action one day be considered an act of terrorism the next? - TheAkolyte, on 10/12/2007, -15/+48Good job plugging your DeviantART link, I'm sure the people who died appreciate it.
- powatom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29@gawtmilk
You're an idiot. Buses and trains have had CCTV inside them for years. The government feels it can be more overt these days because idiots like you think it's protection against terrorism. Open your ***** eyes and look around. Twelve million CCTV cameras don't just pop up in two years.
And yes, it's annoying. I'm not a criminal, why should someone be watching me all the time 'just in case'? ***** that. I'd rather take my chances and THEN report the crime rather than have no privacy at all. - greerso, on 10/12/2007, -6/+32They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
- chaosmachine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28here's another shot of it in a different location:
http://xs511.xs.to/xs511/07021/bigbrotheriswatchingyou.jpg - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25double think
invasion of privacy = security - Fafnir43, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27GawtMilk: "You are only proving my point." Wrong. The fact that there were no CCTV cameras at the time of the original attack does not mean they would have prevented the attack had they been in place. Here is an example to help illustrate why:
"This stone keeps tigers away. I understand you were recently mauled by a tiger - that must have been because you didn't have one of these stones! I'll sell you one for a low, low twenty dollars!"
Also, imsoclever is right. Terrorism is NOT a new thing in Britain. The IRA were a hell of a lot determined, resourceful and dangerous than the terrorists we're dealing with now. So far, over here, we've had a single subway bombing and that's pretty much it. In the *six* *years* since 9/11 and the start of the "War On Terror". Here's a link to the IRA's activities in England and Northern Ireland from 1969-1997: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Provisional_IRA_Actions. Short version: they did considerably more than one bomb every six years. I drive past one of the pubs they bombed every day on the way to school. If we can weather that for thirty years without installing government surveillance on every corner, we should be able to do the same with a bunch of random fundie ***** no problem. - Nichevo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26"Raian, report to room 101!"
BTW GawtMilk, they did have cameras before 7/7, millions of them...
"Nichevo, report to room 101!"... - imsoclever, on 10/12/2007, -11/+35GawtMilk, I think you might be the dumbest person ever.
Go back to school, maybe they'll teach you about the IRA.
CCTV has been in extensive use in London since around the mid 90's. - hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22The CCTV's themselves don't creep me out, it's the state of mind expressed in the posters themselves that bother me.
- Xinareiaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20chronic exaggeration grips the country...
- Nichevo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Looks like they are getting megaphones too:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=405477&in_page_id=1770 - meldroc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20If I saw a poster like that in person, I'd be sorely tempted to take a can of spraypaint and add a big red V to the picture...
- d00ley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20I think we should give up Liberty for Freedom.
"You must love BIG BROTHER. It is not enough to obey him: you must love him." I think GawtMilk's got this one down. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -79/+96The Brits are lost souls. It is illegal in Britain even to defend one's family against home invaders. Drivers can be pulled over for not having their arms bent at the proper angle. First guns, and now kitchen knives have been outlawed.
Socialism is never just about the economy. - ajoh198, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18I think that poster would scare me more than make me feel safe!
- jimbouk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16GawtMilk did you not get the point of "1984"?
Klept yes we do have ***** of double decker buses in London still. You're probably thinking of the Routemaster buses which were retired recently. - Xinareiaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15http://www.art-for-a-change.com/News/eyes.htm
Huh, they have been around since 2002. - thripper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Goering: "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.
It works the same in any country."
—Nazi leader Hermann Goering, iterviewed by Gustave Gilbert during the Easter recess of the Nuremberg trials, 1946 April 18, quoted in Gilbert's book Nuremberg Diary - affanjam, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20 "Remember, remember the fifth of November,
The gunpowder, treason, and plot,
I see of no reason why gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot." - garths, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Torquay? They must be keeping tabs on that villainous Basil Fawlty.
- Angostura, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Ummm, no, it isn't actually illegal to defend yourself against home invaders, but your are expected to use "reasonable force". Arms bent at the wrong angle - have you been reading the Daily Mail?
As for this poster, yes I think it is a particularly badly judged piece of design, which goes out of its way to echo wartime imagery. Someone deserves a slap.
But do I have a problem with CCTV coverage on busses? No, not at all. I use the busses and tubes every day and find them an excellent way to travel. But when I'm on a night bus at 2am, I don't have a problem with the idea of the driver in particular having the safety net of video. - Fafnir43, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14gawtmilk: "Right now this isn't the case"? What happens later? Aren't you worried about that? Even if you really believe the current government is doing all this for the best, do you think they're going to repeal everything for the next general election? What happens if the next government isn't so benevolent? Or the next? Or the next? Sooner or later, we WILL elect the wrong guy, and when that happens, the laws Labour are setting in place right now could really screw us.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -34/+47Digging up for having pro-gunrights and anti-socialist views. A rare view to find on Digg.
- jkleinfeld, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15you know, england is the most watched nation in the world (or at least arguably up there with north korea)
the small town of torquay has more CCTV cameras than new york city
this whole thing is getting ridiculous - hbcumber, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15@LoneRanger85: Socialism what now? I think you have some grave misunderstandings about the current UK government...
Oh and most of the things you mentioned; utter BS; I sit happily twirling my kitchen knife, waiting for intruders to maim... - jeffiek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14According to Virginia, YOU could be a terrorist if you believe in property rights - see page 4
http://www.virginianewssource.com/images/VATerrorismManual.pdf
or for that matter take any action that could "undermine confidence in the government" or "influence government or social policy" - imsoclever, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13This isn't a US vs Britain thing.
CCTV was widely used before the Tube bombings. It didn't prevent them - you want to know why? Because it's really ***** hard to stop some one from putting a bomb in their bag and blowing themselves up in a crowded area.
Both countries are over controlled. - JohnP, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16LOL something tells me you read that ***** on the web. Get a clue.
- VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18 I know, everyone seems to think the U.S. is the worse when it comes to things like that but we aren't.. :/
- madm0nk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13"Those who are willing to sacrifice liberty in the name of safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."
Ben Franklin - hipnerd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12@Bioshocker: You don't have to drift into a totalitarian regime on purpose. It doesn't take a "great leader" to institute fascism. As Edmund Burke said, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." If we do not fight these tendencies within our own society, they will become commonplace and accepted, then the next intrusion into our liberties will begin. Then the next. Until one day we will wake up and not recognize the world that we live in, a world we created through indifference.
- superrcat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11We're next? Someone's forgetting the Terror Threat Level system. Do you ever think we are supposed to be at Green or Blue? I rather be in the UK than in the US.
- superrcat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Why are you digging tralalaa down? tralalaa is right, the posted quote is one of the most misquoted quotes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Those_who_would_give_up_Essential_Liberty -
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