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- libbb, on 06/05/2009, -4/+135***** Yoo
- pilobilus, on 06/05/2009, -2/+55The memos Yoo worked on required extensive research. World War II era German regulations governing interrogation of military prisoners were used as models. Of course, Yoo & co. completely ignored U.S. case law and treaty obligations.
Those German lawyers who wrote torture policy documents for the Nazis? Prosecuted by the Allies at the Nuremberg tribunals. Some were executed. Our Mr. Yoo should certainly be entitled to equal justice under the law... - treehugger87, on 06/05/2009, -2/+42The Catch 22 here is how do we determine a person is a known terrorist? Did they confess? Under what conditions? What defines a terrorist?
You can keep your cowardly ways, but I would rather live in a free nation than one where I believe that I am safe from real or imagined "terrorists" yet pay for this illusional of security with my liberty and freedom. - greendalek, on 06/05/2009, -1/+37Yeah whatever. At this point Cheney could go on prime-time TV and openly confess that he masterminded it all: the torture, the secret renditions, the ignoring of the Constitution, the phony pretexts for wars, the warrantless wiretaps, ALL of it. He could even name names --all his accomplices, everyone who cheerfully carried out his instructions and everyone who helped enable all of this, and there would STILL BE NOTHING DONE ABOUT IT. No prosecutions, no trials, no sentencing. These people got what they wanted --a permanent police state-- and the so-called "opposition voices" stood aside and let 'em have all they wanted and more.
Please stop "breaking" this kind of news unless someone's actually going to be punished. - yigmaw, on 06/05/2009, -4/+31You know the economic crisis started before Obama right?
(It was rhetorical, I know that you don't) - crcurran, on 06/05/2009, -3/+27I would rather risk dying in a terrorist attack than have my elected officials torture people. The terrorists killed over 3000 Americans on 9/11 yet our elected officials have betrayed and jeopardized the remaining 300 million American lives over the next few decades. They let the terrorists succeed by showing that America can dismiss it's own morals.
"Cutting off the nose to spite the face" - manlyandy, on 06/05/2009, -1/+25I have to say that it is a stupid argument. There are videos of people cutting off their own genitals voluntarily. Does that mean that genital removal is not torture? Absolutely not. The guys on Jackass voluntarily do all sorts of things that end in real injury. But if you did those to a person that wasn't volunteering, yes it could be considered torture.
I'm not going to say that there aren't obviously worse forms of torture than others, but your argument is all sorts of weak. - 8FoldPath, on 06/05/2009, -2/+26Were they waterboarded dozens of times a week?
I didn't think so.
It's torture, plain and simple. - relaxeder, on 06/05/2009, -1/+24"known terrorists"
On who's authority? Tribal leaders and warlords who were given cash incentives to turn over "enemy combatants" (read: farmers and shepards) into US custody? A military that holds its prisoners indefinitely without charge and won't even give them their due process and let them fight their detainment? What a crock of *****. You coward. - treehugger87, on 06/05/2009, -4/+27They will if we the people rise up and demand that they do.
- inactive, on 06/05/2009, -1/+22"Waterboarding is torture, period. I can ensure you that once enough physical pain is inflicted on someone, they will tell that interrogator whatever they think they want to hear. And most importantly, it serves as a great propaganda tool for those who recruit people to fight against us." -- John McCain (R), Vietnam War POW, April 20, 2009.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/20/mccain-ksm-183 ... - luther70, on 06/05/2009, -3/+24So the end justifies the means?
- inactive, on 06/05/2009, -1/+21Glad to see we have the world's foremost -- and sole -- authority on what is and what is not torture chiming in. We are so lucky.
/s - CaptOblivious, on 06/05/2009, -1/+20The people that have lost their moral compass are the !right wing republicans!
Jut to reiterate it for you and your ignorant brethren,
THE GOOD GUYS DO NOT TORTURE.
WE HELPED WRITE THE LAWS THAT OUTLAW TORTURE.
WE HAVE _EXECUTED_ ENEMY COMBATANTS FOR TORTURE.
WE HAVE PROSECUTED OUR OWN TROOPS FOR TORTURE.
THE USA DOES NOT TORTURE.
WHEN US CITIZENS TORTURE THEY ARE PUNISHED BY LAW.
Just keep reading that over and over until it displaces the the ***** that you have absorbed from fakes news. - brickbat, on 06/05/2009, -1/+20You ***** idiot. They used the torture to get the detainees to admit to a non-existent link between Al-Qaeda and Iraq.
That's the only thing torture is useful for - getting people to say what you want them to say. Stop with the ticking time-bomb ***** already. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. And even if it did, torture would be THE WORST THING to do.
The reason we have courts is to determine who is guilty of what. None of the people tortured were proven guilty by anyone of anything.
Finally, it takes a real ***** to question everyone else's moral compass while advocating torture. - relaxeder, on 06/05/2009, -0/+18There's a world of difference between knowing who committed a murder and holding and torturing people who are "suspected" of crimes with little to no evidence to their names.
- xenuxenuts, on 06/05/2009, -0/+16So, perhaps abortion protesters should be tortured? How about animal rights activists? I would say that there are terrorists in both groups. How about talk show hosts who incite them? Should we torture them too?
Next question, would it even do any good? - Leetamus, on 06/05/2009, -0/+16Not torture hey? Come by my house and we'll play waterboarding. Well you will. I don't think I would enjoy almost being drowned repeatedly myself so you get all the fun to yourself! Seriously man. Contact me. I'll do it until you scream with glee.
- BlacklabelSAR, on 06/05/2009, -1/+16The pat answer is "I did what I was told, but I didn't make any decisions, therefore I am not culpable".
And those who did make the decisions say that their intel or advice was bad, and so they are not culpable. - Wag3Slav3, on 06/05/2009, -1/+16rbiii is a rabid limbaugh troll drone. Just ignore him.
- billraydrums, on 06/05/2009, -0/+14And he teaches at Berkeley? You gotta be ***** kidding me.
- delrin500, on 06/05/2009, -5/+18Ya I know... still harping about a War Criminal who eroded our nation image over the course of 8 years.
Dumb liberals!
What are you going to say next that people who don't agree with you are not patriotic?
Stupid unpatriotic liberals, trying to get some accountability for a person who had a disastrous effect on our nation in the hopes of preventing it happening again.
Now I don't agree with everything that Obama does, nor do I follow blindly any party, but Jesus show a little objective thinking. Show that you have some kind of a brain that can process information instead of just parroting garbage you heard from some opinion piece you read. - Lomstradamus, on 06/05/2009, -2/+15and why do you think no one will be going to jail over this? Every American should feel shame that their country knowingly tortured and broke the Geneva Conventions. Its a BIG deal to those who have served and those who believe in justice.
- diggduggDOOM, on 06/05/2009, -0/+12"Were they waterboarded dozens of times a week?"
With no option to stop after a few seconds.
Just because some torture is worse than others does not make the other forms of torture any less "real." - ionelementz112, on 06/05/2009, -0/+12Many people would argue that white supremacists are also terrorists. Does that mean we should profile white protestants as potential terrorists and torture them? Not every person we torture would give us useful (or true) information, but the people we do manage to get reliable information out of would make it all worth it!
- MWeather, on 06/05/2009, -0/+12"It's not wrong to do harm to evil people to prevent more evil."
You might want to re-read Romans Chapter 3. It's pretty explicit that doing evil to bring about good is a no-no. - pagit, on 06/05/2009, -3/+15Yoo the Bush Justice Department Attorney "Yes Man" and who found ways to get around the Geneva Convention and helped give President Bush more Executive Privilege
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/in ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yoo - CaptainNoPants, on 06/05/2009, -1/+13"milking Digg for hits on a topic that will lead nowhere."
The same could be said for like 90% of the submissions on this site. Do lolcat topics lead anywhere? - Bovorik, on 06/05/2009, -4/+15You not seen Yoo's "torture memo". It (the memo) all but argued the Bush White House had the right to override the Constitution as long as it claimed to be fighting a "war on terror." That's what you call adjusting the rules of law to suit policy.
Mr. *****'s only got himself to blame for putting that sort of stuff down on paper. - JoeParanoid, on 06/05/2009, -1/+12So Yoo is basically admitting to serious ethics violations and criminal conduct. I want to know when the disbarment and criminal prosecutions are going to be instituted.
- MalarkeyPN, on 06/05/2009, -0/+11But he could be charged with legal malpractice, the penalty for which is proportional to the amount of harm caused...
- EricSchC1, on 06/05/2009, -0/+11If waterboarding isn't torture, explain how our soldiers you say "voluntarily" undergo waterboarding as part of TORTURE RESISTANCE TRAINING?
Good grief, that was the worst attempt at logic, I think I've ever seen, next to Bush and Cheney actually try to link Iraq to Al Quaeda. - Misinformant, on 06/05/2009, -5/+16OBVIOUS THINGS ARE OBVIOUS, REPORTS REPORTERS
- dalittle, on 06/05/2009, -1/+11David Niven is evil and a terrorist. Pretty sure he will say what ever we want after we are done torturing him and we can put him in a prison indefinitely without any recourse. Oh wait, torturing is wrong and does not give good intel.
- AmazingSteve, on 06/05/2009, -0/+10"A lawyer is not going to go to jail for offering legal advice. Sorry."
You're not very smart are you? - dalittle, on 06/05/2009, -6/+16I am more safe in the world after Obama gave his speech.
- mgraham80, on 06/05/2009, -0/+10Hm. We capture a goat herder. We torture him until he falsely confesses to being a terrorist. Therefore, he is a known terrorist, and it was OK to torture him.
That could have been devised by Joseph Heller himself! - maz2331, on 06/05/2009, -0/+10Cheney could do all of that, run for the Senate, and win.
- jba68, on 06/05/2009, -3/+12Except fot the fact that the economy was in the tank prior to Obama getting elected.... Remember it was a campaign issue?
- kismetropolis, on 06/05/2009, -3/+12What anti-American speeches?
- ohplease, on 06/05/2009, -0/+8Because your own government admits that they were fishing for information. That means they were torturing people without knowing whether they had information or what was the nature of the information they had.
If you condone this then you condone the police torturing you because you're wearing the same color jacket as someone who stole a car in your neighborhood. You're an idiot, and a dangerous idiot. - MWeather, on 06/05/2009, -3/+11Peiople have gone to jail over this already. Remember Abu Ghraib? Those guards got jail time for doing things specifically authorized by the DoJ.
- nathanbutnet, on 06/05/2009, -0/+8I hate to feel like you are right, but boy it certainly does feel that way these days.
- mgraham80, on 06/05/2009, -2/+10For once, rbiii, I agree with you! Not ONE person will go to jail for this.
For justice to be done, not one, but two, three, four, or more people will have to go to jail.
Thanks for reminding us, rbiii, that the lawlessness of the Bush admin can't be fixed on just one person! - MalarkeyPN, on 06/05/2009, -2/+10http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_prisoner_a ...
Highlights:
# Specialist Charles Graner was found guilty on January 14, 2005 of conspiracy to maltreat detainees, failing to protect detainees from abuse, cruelty, and maltreatment, as well as charges of assault, indecency, adultery, and obstruction of justice. On January 15, 2005, he was sentenced to ten years in federal prison.
Staff Sergeant Ivan Frederick pled guilty on October 20, 2004 to conspiracy, dereliction of duty, maltreatment of detainees, assault and committing an indecent act in exchange for other charges being dropped. His abuses included making three prisoners masturbate. He also punched one prisoner so hard in the chest that he needed resuscitation. He was sentenced to eight years in prison, forfeiture of pay, a dishonorable discharge and a reduction in rank to private.
Sergeant Javal Davis pled guilty February 4, 2005 to dereliction of duty, making false official statements and battery. He was sentenced to six months in prison, a reduction in rank to private, and a bad conduct discharge.
There are many more .... - Dipsomaniac, on 06/05/2009, -1/+9Watch it, crcurran. That kind of standing up for liberty makes you a suspect to the right.
- treehugger87, on 06/05/2009, -0/+8@yig. If someone murdered my family I would find it more than unbearable to think that a potentially innocent person was convicted of the crime after a coerced confession while the real killer walked free.
- Bovorik, on 06/05/2009, -2/+10That article's centered around the "torture memo". It's saying that, based off of the "torture memo" (Yoo's "torture memo"), it looks very much like Yoo "fixed the law around Bush's torture policy".
Now, does Yoo "admit" (in any sense of the word) to doing that? Not in any sense of the word "admit" (let alone it's classic sense). It's clear though from the memo, that that's what he did.
Poorly written/structured article all round - wtf more do you expect from blog reporting, is the question I guess. - mgraham80, on 06/05/2009, -0/+8LOL! You think OUR moral compass has disintegrated, right after you passionately defend torture!?
I'm sure back in Spain, people were using these same arguments to defend the inquisitors. -
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