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- sfgamergirl, on 10/01/2008, -14/+319Gotta love the NeoCon, small-town values at work here: promote hate, abortion, and suicide. Great Christian values.
- inactive, on 10/01/2008, -9/+248And?
I think we all could have guessed what kinds of morons support Palin.
People who are so ignorant that they think she's a good choice are not going to impress us with their dazzling debate skills.
I'm sure very few of the people who called the author an idiot are capable of discussing the issues with facts rather than GOP talking points/lies.
Criticize an idiot an 10 more will stand up to defend their stupidity. - pennsykid2000, on 10/01/2008, -12/+232After not thinking much of Parker for awhile, since she slimed Kerry in 2004, I'm starting to think she's pretty intellectually honest after all. If more conservatives experience this kind of viciousness from the right, maybe it will open some eyes to the incredible bias there. The power of right-wing TV and radio over a very large segment of the voters is very scary, pushing their version of reality as well as demonizing anyone who disagrees (as Parker points out here). I'm still floored by the poll in mid-2004 that found that the percentages of people who still believed that Iraq had nuclear weapons or was involved in 9/11 was 25% among viewers who got most of their news from PBS, about 40% among viewers of the broadcast networks (NBC, ABC, CBS), and nearly 60% among viewers of Fox News! That is irrefutable evidence that Fox News makes their viewers stupid (or that it attracts stupid viewers; either way, not a good ad in favor of Fox News). What is needed is a strong effort to demonstrate to consumers of all partisan news sources (on either side of the political spectrum) how those biases distort reality and cause them to be misinformed and ignorant of the evidence (to the detriment of their country, if not their lives directly).
- Arishia, on 10/01/2008, -8/+190Ms. Parker, welcome to our world.
- grlykool, on 10/01/2008, -9/+180Palin brings what Bush brought. Incompetence. I want a president smarter than me (and you).
- infinitexx, on 10/01/2008, -5/+162Aborted and left in a dumpster? Sounds like overkill to me.
I hate how people can run into trouble for writing what they believe instead of what they're expected to. - MrFisty, on 10/02/2008, -6/+139"Hi,
I'm a neo-conservative who doesn't believe in a woman's right to abortion.
By the way, your mother should have aborted you.
Yours sincerely, Crazy-***** Hypocrite." - Pash1994, on 10/01/2008, -7/+110FTA:
More important in the long term is the less-tangible effect of stifling free speech. My mail paints an ugly picture and a bleak future if we do not soon correct ourselves.
The picture is this: Anyone who dares express an opinion that runs counter to the party line will be silenced. That doesn't sound American to me, but Stalin would approve. Readers have every right to reject my opinion. But when we decide that a person is a traitor and should die for having an opinion different than one's own, then we cross into territory that puts all freedoms at risk. - Depthfunction, on 10/01/2008, -4/+93Those on the Right really seem to be losing their marbles as the election draws near. I like to visit a variety of sites, like Digg, and read the comments, and everywhere I go I see little more than hysterical vitriol coming from McCain supporters. To be sure, Obama supporters can be mean and nasty too, but most of the hate is coming from the Right. And as Obama climbs in the polls, it only gets worse.
- jimchap, on 10/02/2008, -4/+91well Kathleen, for years you've been spewing right wing vitriol. I'm sorry you've had to experience it first hand. I hope that your own thoughtfulness leads you to think about the company you keep.
And you're right, Palin is a first class moron. You just told the truth and look at those
neo cons turn on you. - inactive, on 10/01/2008, -6/+91LOL
Bringing something new to the table???
The same old GOP abuse of powers and incompetence is hardly new. The same ignorance and intense desire to avoid accountability is not new. - theaceoffire, on 10/02/2008, -4/+86Obama got into Harvard by hard work instead of family.
Sounds a lot better than "My daddy was pres". - aaronirwin31, on 10/02/2008, -5/+82Blind loyalty is EXACTLY why I left the Republicans. I was never allowed to disagree with the party without suffering the wrath of people who responded so viciously to this writer. Over the last 8 years, what was already a nation divided over cultural issues, has become rabidly so - especially on the Republican side. I got tired of everything being "Love it or leave it!", or "you're either with us or against us!", or "disagree with us and you'll be labeled an unpatriotic, anti-America terrorist sympathizer!".
I wasn't allowed to disagree with anything. If I had the audacity to bring up the Constitution and criticize the Bush for authorizing warrentless searches, I was immediately demonized as weak-kneed at best or a traitor at worst! So many people demanded blind loyalty. Whatever I did could not help the enemy - and in most cases the enemy wasn't a terrorist group, but the democrats.
Obama was not my first choice; not by a long shot. And he doesn't represent a lot of the things I believe. But, I refuse to support what the Republican Party has become. Anyone looking at the situation objectively knows without much thought that Sara Palin is clearly out of here league, incoherent and certainly unqualified to be anywhere near the White House. McCain is irrational, unpredictable, inconstant, quick tempered, and prone to duplicity. A McCain/Palin win would be a disaster!
Am I blindly following Obama? No. Is he the best thing running? No. Am I voting for him in a desperate attempt to keep McCain away from the Oval Office? You bet'cha! - Atmandk, on 10/02/2008, -0/+68Actually, welcome to your own world, Ms. Parker. These are the people whose side you've been on the other 99% of the time. Now that you've spoken reason, feel their wrath.
- peheimbach, on 10/02/2008, -4/+53I find myself reacting to the same Parker phrases that Pash1994 quotes above:
"The picture is this: Anyone who dares express an opinion that runs counter to the party line will be silenced. That doesn't sound American to me, but Stalin would approve. Readers have every right to reject my opinion. But when we decide that a person is a traitor and should die for having an opinion different than one's own, then we cross into territory that puts all freedoms at risk."
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A sizable portion of the Right grew up in the angry grip of a religion which maintains -- at the very least, that if you disagree with their god (or with them) in general, you're going to burn for eternity, At the most despotic extreme, the extreme Ms Parker saw, if you disagree with any of the picayune particulars of their dogma, you'll burn in hell for eternity -- what, really, can you expect?
The Christianists have harnessed a political platform into that dogma, to the point where that platform is doing religious work for them. If you attack the PLATFORM for doing the same religious work their dogma has done for centuries, you'll burn. If this is allowed to continue, the Christianists, by hijacking our political system, will indeed have "put all of our freedoms at risk."
It is up to US to push back.
In Christianist households, frankly, American freedom of speech has been suppressed for decades, if not centuries. My parents wondered why I chose a secular Ivy school a good distance from home in lieu of their close-to-hand favourite... it was the first place I could breathe, let alone speak freely.
But Ms Parker goes on: " Our day of reckoning, indeed, may be upon us. "
I'm not sure that we're going to be able to reclaim the America where Freedom of Speech exists as an un-threatened right -- where the current assault on it does not "have a crippling effect on our government" -- without a serious fight. For decades, a religion whose moral tenets have lost what should be their *natural* appeal to the majority has sought to FORCE those moral tenets -- with the belief that crippling a government of sin (in their eyes) is a prize to be won.
Those fingers strangling our freedom of speech and the rest of our rights went dead long ago. Prying cold, dead fingers from ANYTHING has never been an easy fight. But it's always been a worthwhile fight. - inactive, on 10/02/2008, -20/+68Republican Family Values:
Apathy, Callousness, Greed, Self Serving Self Interest,
Narcissism, Inhumanity, Death, Looting, Plundering.
Republicans are extremely emotionally disturbed, vindictive, hateful, ugly, mean, vile, and angry people.
Their souls are being consumed by some unknown gangrenous-like infection.
It is possible now, to feel a sort of pity for Republicans because that thing feeding on their souls must be the source of horrific and unimaginable internal pain.
One is left to wonder what kind of monster Republicans see staring back at them from the mirror?
Personally, I wouldn't wish being a Republican on my worst personal enemy. - inactive, on 10/01/2008, -8/+54Sarah Palin, ugh.
- fugularity, on 10/02/2008, -5/+48magecko, are you suggesting that Obama is not smart? I mean, really? Sure, you can say he's politicking, but it's kind of a fact that Obama is smart.
- rearlgrant, on 10/01/2008, -3/+45If I could only digg you up more than once.
When a party shows you who they are, believe them... - weaksnyc, on 08/14/2009, -2/+40I love how magecko spends an entire post railing against staunch partisanship and even says "It's that blind loyalty that is truly scary."
You can say you don't like Obama's policies, but if you even try to say that you think he's not intelligent, you sir are more blind than most. - purzzzell, on 10/02/2008, -3/+39Funny that a group of people who are primarily pro-life are the ones saying she should have been aborted...
- kingofinternet, on 10/02/2008, -3/+38typical groupthink behavior, outsiders are evil, corrupt, subhuman. the worst thing is a 'traitor.' their existence would strongly undermine the belief in the group's righteousness, and therefore gets the strongest response.
- inactive, on 10/02/2008, -1/+34"What ARE small town values?"
"You know, mom and pop apple pie things. Like the 1950's!"
"Like segregation?" - phroztbyt3, on 10/01/2008, -5/+37I bet the writer got more "thank you.. you are a savior" emails than threats. ^__^... I dont agree that Palin should step down though... for one simple reason... if Palin stays.. Obama wins by default :D
- Hillsfar, on 10/02/2008, -2/+33But Kathleen... These Republicans are the people you choose to ally with.
- redcolumbine, on 10/02/2008, -3/+31That's who Palin appeals to. Surprise! Court the lowest common denominator, that's what you get. The GOP has put all its eggs in this basket.
- Browzer, on 10/02/2008, -3/+25It's always funny when a wingnut conservative writer finds out that her readers are...wingnut conservatives.
Also, it's self-indulgent for a columnist to write about all the hate mail they receive. Write about something more interesting. - pgoetz, on 10/02/2008, -5/+26I have no idea why you're being dugg down for these comments; I agree with them 100%, and I'm vehemently anti-Republican and think Palin is a complete idiot. As Bill Maher commented on the Daily Show, even the stupid people are saying "wow, she's really stupid". She does bring something new to the table, but that's not necessarily a good thing. She's the voice of the ugly, ignorant, dispensational premillenialist America. 50 million strong, these people are the real terrorists we need to be worrying about.
- doublefelix, on 10/02/2008, -1/+22I support her view that Palin is WAY out of her depth, but she lost me at:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi gave a partisan speech, blaming the credit crisis on the Bush administration (omitting the Clinton administration's role in launching the subprime lending debacle). REPUBLICANS RESPONDED BY VOTING AGAINST THE BILL.
wtf? I had no idea Nancy Pelosi had so much sway with republicans. - arcangelgabriel, on 10/02/2008, -6/+27"but I give her credit for bringing something new to the table"
The only thing this woman is bringing to the table is the dinner dishes. [no, not a sexist joke folks]
Seriously this woman is out of her depth in a mud puddle. I've YET to hear a coherent answer to a question put to her. PLEASE just answer the question lady...it's that simple. If you can't tell me who Hamas is or name the magazines you read [one just one...] then you cannot be Vice President.
This is the office that gave us Harry Truman. As President, Truman made some of the most crucial decisions in history. You know Harry, the guy who nuked Japan?
Twice.
WWII not withstanding, there is an excellent chance that this woman would be Madam President in her term and I wouldn't trust her with the care of my dog let alone running amuck with a vast array of nuclear warheads waiting around to do something.
Seriously, what the *****....over. - jodimcmullen, on 10/02/2008, -1/+21Ditto. The GOP is not being led by true Republicans, they are not even humans. I hung in there for a while, hoping the party would level back out and focus on fiscal responsibility. Not happening, just more and more fanatics in control on the state level.
- Noodleson, on 10/02/2008, -0/+19I do that too, haha. There are a couple of forums out there that are absolutely insane, like some of the old Hillary Clinton forums went crazy pro McCain when he picked Palin, those are always the best.
- inactive, on 10/02/2008, -2/+20Moyer's is shining the light on a very dangerous trend. Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, etc are the modern day equivalents of Der Sturmer.
If you look at Nazi Germany, Rwanda, Serbia and any other example of genocide, the people--whether they merely observed or actively participated--were egged on and emboldened by hate-filled invective disseminated by mass media. Now we're on the verge in America because these people have succeeded in creating The Other (Muslim, Liberal, pervert, druggie, whore) in the minds of their viewers/listeners. Each of these pundits has his own proven technique, and every broadcast provides more "evidence" of how The Other is wrong and the danger that The Other poses, reinforcing the hatred.
I worry that a lot of Americans are ready to explode if our economy completely collapses or we suffer another terror attack. - fugularity, on 10/02/2008, -4/+22proof? you want proof? how about Troopergate?
- NYConcepts, on 10/02/2008, -4/+22With all the emails she got, what's even worse is that thousands of people are as clueless as Palin is.
- ObtuseGoose, on 10/02/2008, -2/+20I know Republicans that have voted along party lines their entire lives. I'm curious, exactly "how bad" does your candidate have to be to where you wouldn't vote for them? Does it matter how inexperienced the person is? Does it matter how incoherent the person is when speaking during an interview? For those that are still pro-McCain/Palin, did you even watch the Katie Couric interviews? If so, how can you possibly rationalize that this person is qualified to be vice president? Seriously. Are you really putting country first, or is it that you just don't want to be on the losing team? This seems to be one of those times where blind partisanship is not in the best interest of the country.
- inactive, on 10/02/2008, -4/+21That explains why the Repukes always get so pissed off when one of their own acquires a soul.
- mythicwoe, on 10/02/2008, -2/+19pennsykid - to further your comments-
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_48 ...
"The plain truth is that opinionated content -- such as Fox's The O'Reilly Factor with Bill O'Reilly -- is often simpler, snappier, and less expensive to produce than objective content...
So this is the emerging business model: You can make money targeting a small partisan audience on cable TV or on the Web, but it's much more difficult to cash in on the traditional mainstream audience for news. That's why NYU's Rosen speculates that CNN or MSNBC may try to attract more viewers by becoming a liberal alternative to cable leader Fox News Network. That may sound implausible, but given the overall business climate, the economic temptation to plunge headlong into the partisan fray is growing ever stronger. The independent press will never disappear completely, but it's not much of a stretch to imagine it shrinking."
Bias sells. - inactive, on 10/01/2008, -2/+19I would really, REALLY love to believe that!
- DarkPrincess74, on 10/02/2008, -0/+16I think you're right to some extent but in my experience it's mostly been right wingers who go the idiot route and I think it's mostly because their news is coming from sources like fox news, the boston herald, the new york post, etc. Their language matches up with how those sources talk and many times it's verbatim what they said.
When I run into these types of people I try not to go the insult route but explain things in a straightforward way. Usually then someone else will come along take one sentence of my reply and then use a talking point to denigrate my entire posting based on something they don't really understand. - poxonyou, on 10/02/2008, -5/+21I think you meant to quote a Christian fundamentalist. I suspect most actual Neo-conservatives could care less. Their main issue is with the use of America's military power to westernize the world, not with petty domestic wedge issues.
- MammasMilk, on 10/02/2008, -3/+19Republicans getting more than their fair share.... in what world?
Sarah Palin brought something new? What? Explain what she brought. Every time she opens her mouth she shows her ignorance. That isn't something new either, we already have a guy in office who ran and was apparently elected for being the idiot you can ave a beer with. At the very least Bush was honest when he said he didn't read much. All Palin had to do was name a newspaper whether she read it or not and she couldn't even do that.
The only thing I can give you credit for is you closing comments against threatening people. - Roland1232, on 10/02/2008, -3/+19I couldn't agree more.
Anyone can sound smart by speaking "intelligently", and knowing a lot of "facts". Everyone knows facts have a liberal bias anyway. - raydeen, on 10/02/2008, -2/+17Whatchoo gonna do when Caribou Barbie and her herd come for you!
- stonecircle, on 06/11/2009, -2/+17Problem is, if McCain should pull it off, and/or if the election is stolen and she's still on the ticket... this country is in big trouble.
- emmeron, on 10/02/2008, -0/+15Way to take a stand on something, vilago. Seriously, if you don't have enough time to voice an opinion or comment thoughtfully, why do you even bother writing anything at all?
@ peheimback -- I think you make a good point about the social issues around the decay here. I don't agree directly with the issue: I tend to believe it's their own problem if they want what they cannot constitutionally have.
I don't believe that was the despotic extreme: that would involve an angry mob arriving to stone her.
The real reason I reply to you: though I am not Christian myself, there are many teachings and Christian churches that lean in other directions. It strikes me as unfair and extreme to categorize as you do. That said, it is not the "Christianists" that have removed free speech -- free speech has been on the decline since our second president and continues to be destroyed. By liberals and conservatives alike! The only two ways to combat: voting for someone else (and keeping track of your reps votes to insure they speak for you), and to keep speaking no matter how unpopular or what the threats.
Freedom -- real freedom -- has almost always been fought for by the minority, for themselves. The majority of most nations could care less as long as they can keep doing as they like, everyone else be damned -- and they aren't hassled much without a good excuse. Most people are simple and simply want the excuse. God, terror, natural disaster, distrust for thy neighbor... it all works to coax freedoms away from the average person: they don't want much responsibility either, to begin with.
So, linking back to your point ... and agreeing with you in a big way at the end: not so amazing that the people who do not wish to have much personal responsibility also believe they can say "sorry" to God and everything is better, eh? In other words, I don't think religion is the reason, I think it's the excuse. - oldgal, on 10/02/2008, -1/+16This is worth watching to the end: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09122008/profile ...
- bemenaker, on 10/02/2008, -0/+14In all honesty, could you really blame black voters for voting in block loyalty to put a black man in the White House, considering their history of repression in this country. No, I'm not even referring to slavery, I'm talking about the 50's, the 60's, the 70's, the 80's. I am appalled by the amount of racism I still see and hear every single day working in rural Ohio. It's part of why I moved into Cincinnati, I wanted away from such small mindedness. I damn well guarantee you my landlord will never vote for a black man. I guarantee you he won't rent to a black man. That's illegal but he will never say that's why to anyone that would turn him in, but it's true.
- ell0bo, on 10/02/2008, -2/+16Some needs to explain to me, and I mention this solely because Parker mentions it in her article, what was so truly partisan about Pelosi's speech? I mean, she's simply stating facts, and I'm sorry for the republicans if the guy she blames happens to be one of yours, but last time I checked you hated him too. Hell, you wouldn't even let him come in person to your convention because he was so toxic. Personally, republicans claiming that Pelosi's speech was so partisan that it caused the bill to fail in congress just sounds like the pot calling the kettle black, but then again perhaps I need something explained to me.
- inactive, on 10/02/2008, -4/+18Palin ought to hear the kind of culture of life that she inspires in her supporters...
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