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- LiquidIse, on 11/02/2009, -4/+59This comment demonstrates nearly all that is wrong with the modern republican party.
By marginalizing yourself, or as you put it: not "compromising our values", you are forcing yourself into a smaller clique of people who fundamentally agree with those values.
People argue all day that the US populous is left or right of center. Here's some perspective for you: the us populous is in the center, regardless of which direction it leans. The farther right you go the less support you gain. Simple as that. Ex 1 is the modern day GOP. - Apokalyps2547, on 11/02/2009, -25/+73The GOP takeover starting in 1994 and lasting until 2006 was from a bunch of different groups uniting under the "big tent": Pro-choice Catholics, Libertarians, Moderates, Israel supporters, Corporatists, and conservative Southern Protestants.
Now the inflexibility of those conservative southern Protestants is tearing the GOP apart. They alienate and disrespect everyone else, putting their ideology before BOTH party and country. NY-23 is just a symptom of a larger problem.
Unless this gets sorted out, the Republican Party will be in deeper trouble now than the Dems were in the late '90s. Moderates aren't the problem here. The far-right's hatred of them is. - ThsGuyRightHere, on 11/02/2009, -11/+44That's great and all but are you sure you want to make Palin the face of "real" conservatives?
- ThsGuyRightHere, on 11/02/2009, -16/+44By all means keep pursuing that ideological purity guys. By the time you're done there won't be any Republicans left as political figures because they'll all be pundits on Fox News.
- treehugger87, on 11/02/2009, -10/+35You people always very conveniently ignore the fact that 3 months before Obama was elected the CBO projected an increase of the national debt to $1.2 trillion. The fact that it is only $1.57 trillion at this point time is only a little bit short of a miracle. The Bush administration devastated this economy by overspending on wars, by failing to put taxes in place to pay for those wars and by working with his friends in industry to give away as much of our nation's treasure as he could get away with. I don't think Obama, in himself, is the savior of our country by any means, but the fact that he is not George Bush or another ideologue like him means that we have a chance.
- joculator, on 11/02/2009, -32/+56As America moves left of center the GOP further marginalizes itself. Keep it up, it's fun watching you sink.
- mickman17, on 11/02/2009, -6/+29I love how you use the "Fox News" tactic - you are not saying that Obama caused the national debt increase nor are you denying that - so you throw out your easy statement for all to see..
The national debt might have increased 11% since he took office - now provide the answer to the following question: How much of the increase in the deficeit was DIRECTLY related to Obama and the current administration"
Once you do that we can all play nicely in logical land....Thanks for playing. - Temlakos, on 11/02/2009, -28/+50Anyone who says that liberal Republicans are better than Democrats should look at Dede Scozzafava's behavior and ask himself who told him that, and what are those people really after. The article says that Rahm Emmanuel and Chucky Schmucky Schumer lobbied her. But why would she ever take advice from such inherent enemies of liberty, unless her entire candidacy was a set-up from beginning to end?
- Maddoktor2, on 11/02/2009, -17/+39*sigh*
Ok, GOP, one more time:
Swing voters decide elections.
Moderate voters are swing voters.
Alienating moderates loses their votes.
It can't be put in any simpler terms, yet you still don't seem to get it. - ThsGuyRightHere, on 11/02/2009, -15/+36@Carrot: She also has the annoying tendency to energize people who don't have two brain cells to rub together.
@MD: The biggest names from the right endorsing Hoffmann are Gingrich and Palin. She receives press because she's a nutjob. I swear the DNC should have her on their payroll.
I understand that if you suspend disbelief and common sense it's possible to arrive at the conclusion that Palin is more qualified than Obama. I find that convenient because it helps me identify those who have forsaken the above in favor of their ideology.
I have to point out though, your assertion that her social ideology is as extreme as Obama's simply doesn't hold water. Look objectively at religion, sex ed, or abortion and he's far closer to the middle than she is. - clvngodess, on 11/02/2009, -4/+25Thanks Carrot. You're right. I am better than that, but you know the old shoe and other foot game... : )
- spookyttws, on 11/03/2009, -7/+28As a hard Liberal Demorat, I have a lot of respect for any Republican who actually represents his constituents and stands for his/her values no matter what the party is urging them to do. Sadly, I haven't seen many of those people in 10 years. Unifying a party is one thing, blindly following talking points and doing what the extreme religious demand is another. Hell, I really liked John McCain some 6 years ago, he was quite a moderate guy. Then he ran for president and threw out everything he stood for just to get the creepy Republican extremist's to vote for him.
- mollydog12, on 11/02/2009, -40/+61more and more i'm coming to the conclusion we should reject the comprimisers and insist our representatives are real conservatives not house brand democrats. we've seen the results compromising our values has returned.
- Apokalyps2547, on 11/02/2009, -1/+22EDIT: Pro-Life Catholics. I was thinking one and typed the other!
- kingnova, on 11/02/2009, -9/+29What does conservative mean to you?
Is there a religious implication? Is it required that you don't believe in evolution? Global Warming? Anti-Abortion? Pro War?
I keep see this "true conservative" claim, but I don't see anything but religious dogma, pro-war, anti anything non-Christian.
None of that has anything to do with TRUE Conservatism. - BasalCellBossk, on 11/03/2009, -2/+22Yes, please, please run Palin in 2012.
She is the greatest gift to the Democrats in 40 years. She won the election for us.
Keep believing the left are afraid of her, please. - AmazingSteve, on 11/03/2009, -1/+19It ***** slays me. When it was all going down the ***** toilet the Republicans are screaming that it's not their fault. When it turns out that it is in fact their fault, the cry then becomes "BOTH parties are responsible." Typical GOP, can't shoulder blame for their ***** ups unless they can take somebody else with them. Just like children... "whaaaa, well Timmy did it too! Whaaaa." You lose because your are losers.
- Akairenn, on 11/03/2009, -3/+21"I can see from the borderline hysterical reaction Palin still draws from lefties she's still seen as the serious danger she was seen as in the '08 race."
Totally. You know what? Don't let the Democrats hear me say this, but you guys should totally run her in 2012. - superkeer, on 11/03/2009, -4/+22Obama doesn't have any socialist policies. Stop using this buzzword, it's ridiculous.
The debt was going to explode regardless of who took office, thanks to the dimwits who were in charge for the last 8 years.
Democrats will take a few losses in 2010, but for the most part they will be fine.
REAL conservatives were in charge and broke America. So, they get a time out to let the grown-ups try their best to fix this mess. And as we all know, it's a hell of lot easier to break something than it is to fix it, so it will take some time. Now go play with your crayons and quit trying to ruin everything before it has a chance to work. - Hiltonizer, on 11/03/2009, -7/+24The terms 'liberal' and 'conservative' are ambiguous at best. The common attempt to define either of these terms or associate them with a party is large contributor to the vitriol, rather than discourse, we see in politics today.
Is a Libertarian conservative? Not if you look at the stance on social issues.
Is a Republican conservative? Not if you look at how often they play along with violating the rights of citizens.
Is a Democrat really liberal when they advocate freedoms of choice? Not just abortion.
If everyone put liberty first, they would realize we fight over foolish issues that are trivial and have no impact on us at most.. and would pay more attention to how American citizens are rapidly loosing their freedoms of speach, personal economics, drug and life choices... while their right to prosperity is being sold out to special interest, on BOTH sides. - AwesomeDeluxe, on 11/03/2009, -1/+18I am waiting for the day I see a republican candidate with moderate social policy, moderate foreign policy, and a serious return to conservative fiscal policy. Lower the deficit. Lower taxes. Let us keep more of our income!
- CaptCarrot, on 11/02/2009, -12/+28Ignoring the content for a typographical error? You're better than that, clvngodess.
- radix2, on 11/03/2009, -2/+17Or that certain Republicans are ***** morons. A century old safe seat is now up in the air (even though it is more likely that Hoffman will prevail). All because of a nebulous ideological disagreement. Since when where Republicans only conservative on social issues as opposed to financial ones. Why. That would be when they were over-run by the fundamentalist and reconstructionalist minority of America.
Watch as this plays out. It will not be pretty for the GOP. - AmazingSteve, on 11/03/2009, -1/+16If you're holding onto the notion that you'll use the deficit and the economy to beat Obama come election time I've got news for you. 80% of the country still remembers it was Junior and the Republicans that got the country into this mess. As much as you'd all just like to move on and pretend the last 8 years didn't exist, Junior's spectacular legacy is going to ***** the GOP for some time to come. Darth Cheney taking potshots from the cheap seats ain't helping either.
- stevenwalters, on 11/03/2009, -7/+22Sarah Palin is either secretly a democrat, or so ***** stupid that she thinks splitting her party won't allow more democrats into office.
- AmazingSteve, on 11/03/2009, -2/+17Citation: Bobcat's latest fantasy. It's not the 20% of Americans that's crazy, it's the other 6 1/2 billion people in the world that are crazy apparently.
- kingnova, on 11/02/2009, -9/+24"As far as the US population's political leanings, a recent Gallup poll had 40% of the people identifying themselves as Conservative, with 35% as Moderate."
The PROBLEM is that many (apparently including you) think Conservative has anything to do with being pro-christian, anti global warkming, pro abortion, etc.
I identify myself as a Conservative, but stopped when the term was hijaacked. That poll is EXTREMELY vague. Ask me if I am conservative, and I say yes. I am pro personal freedom, anti war, anti-religious persecution for ALL religions, pro choice. Those are all TRUE conservative positions.
The term has lost all meaning since the fundies have hijaacked it. - mollydog12, on 11/02/2009, -28/+42the unifying thread of the conservative revolution will be the shared horror at the governments irresponsible spending. it won't be a third party but will express the power of the individual votes of taxpayers who's patience has been exhausted and will elect candidates, regardless of party, who will allow the productive to spend what they've earned as they choose.
the vanilla brand, one size fits all approach to politics and fiscal policy, where republicans are indistinguishable from democrats, is bankrupt. we've exceeded reason in social policy and the government can't print enough money to fund their fantasies. taxpayers are tired of working for less than nothing. - clvngodess, on 11/02/2009, -20/+34What the heck is a liberal Republican? Isn't that an oxymoron?
- superkeer, on 11/03/2009, -1/+15[citation needed]
- LiquidIse, on 11/02/2009, -6/+20If you poll people about what are political standpoints, I think you will find that given our 2 party system, most people feel like they need to be either liberal or conservative and thus do not identify themselves as moderates.
To suggest that a majority of americans are right wing is a little foolish, what with a democratic supermajority in the senate, democratic controlled house and a president who enjoyed a comfortable election margin. - clvngodess, on 11/02/2009, -2/+15Agreed.
- detcade, on 11/02/2009, -4/+16Eventually the GOP will get ridiculous enough that it'll lose its political and mind control and collapse altogether. Beck and Palin think they're helping...
- Junkyarddawg, on 11/03/2009, -5/+17This article confuses me. It seems to suggest that the teabaggers need to "take back" GOP from the ultrareligious right, when it's the same group, and solidly in control of the GOP.
It seems to suggest that teabaggers should have supported Scozzafava and opposed Hoffman, when Hoffman is one of them, as are Palin and Beck, Hoffmans prime backers.
It really doesn't make any sense at all. - askantik, on 11/02/2009, -6/+17Not at all. Most democrats aren't liberal and a few of them are even conservative (in US terms... almost all on both sides are conservative by European standards).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition - treehugger87, on 11/02/2009, -9/+19The results of having two sides compromise and work together have been very prosperous times for our country. We've seen what a "real conservative" government can do when it doesn't compromise, and it's not pretty. There are more reasons that liberals are mad at conservatives than differing philosophies, the years 2002-2006 were very, *very* bad times for our country, and I would argue that during that time the "real conservatives" you adore were in charge. Now that there is a Democratic majority and a progressive swing to the sentiments of the people your never compromise "real conservatives" are obstructing anything that could be called progress by our country.
We've seen the results of not compromising and it has only done us harm. - askantik, on 11/02/2009, -3/+13I am talking about the fact that conservative vs. liberal is such a big deal here in America, yet most of our politicians on both sides are considered conservative by most of our allies.
- rjey, on 11/02/2009, -17/+26Don't fool yourself if you think for a second the democrats are clean on this financial crisis. You do realize democrats have controlled congress (you know, the branch of government that actually makes and repeals laws) much longer than the GOP has over the past 30 years, right? Hell, there were 40 straight years of democrat control of the house that finally ended in 1994.
Of course you realize this but you are so partisan that it doesn't matter as long as you get a chance to slam the GOP. - vault, on 11/02/2009, -7/+16RINO trumps a Democrat because a Democrat will not caucus with the GOP. She is not a mole. She was endorsed by the NRA, signed the taxpayer protection pledge, opposes cap and trade, etc. Her social agenda is not in line with the Republican Party platform. So what? Do you want more or less Republican votes?
The primary goal of a minority party is to regain a majority.
She endorsed a Democrat because she was understandably pissed that her own party abandoned her for a third party candidate who doesn't even live in the district, even though she was previously ahead in the polls. - AmazingSteve, on 11/03/2009, -1/+10Yeah and you all seem to fail to recognize the massive undertow that's dragging you out to sea. You keep right on Tea baggin'.
- 5celery, on 11/03/2009, -0/+9shh!
- askantik, on 11/02/2009, -4/+13Wait, you think Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid or Obama represent "the far left"???
- vault, on 11/02/2009, -3/+12She did publicly oppose cap and trade. Rush and Malkin claim she was lying about that, and some people accept their word as gospel.
"And who says that Doug Hoffman doesn't live in the district?"
He lives in Lake Placid, which is not in the 23rd district. It's a known fact and Newt brought it up on Greta back when he was endorsing Scozzfava. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/6 ...
And no, there would not have been a challenge before the County Clerk, as the constitution does not require you to live in the district you serve. You only need to be a resident of the state. http://www.9wsyr.com/content/news/your_stories/sto ...
(The reason no one else is making a big deal out of it is because Lake Placid used to be in that district but was gerrymandered out to help the GOP. This was years ago in 2000, though)
How would I know why you haven't heard this yet? Do you get your news from any source that you don't already agree with? Are you the arbiter of all factually accurate news?
"Neither you nor she will convince me otherwise."
Which is a shame. You think a Republican only counts as a Republican when they tow the line 100%. That attitude hurts the GOP's chances for success. - CaptCarrot, on 11/02/2009, -11/+20Having crossed my feet more than a few times, yeah. :) It's fun. But typos usually aren't worth the effort (unless there's more than one, or it's a really funny Freudian-slip result).
- aclbosox, on 11/03/2009, -2/+10When did being conservative become a bad thing?
Low taxes, Limited Government, and Liberty - all I need. - ThsGuyRightHere, on 11/02/2009, -16/+24Very clever Carrot. Doesn't change the simple truth that she's ***** nuts, and weak-minded ideologues are happy to turn a blind eye to that deficiency.
- ThsGuyRightHere, on 11/03/2009, -6/+14"What part of Obama's plummeting approval numbers don't you understand?"
The part where every president's approval numbers go down after he's been in office for a while. the only reason Bush's numbers weren't down around November of 01 is because 9/11 had just happened. Try to keep up.
"Sometimes you have to kick a few people out of the boat before you can start rowing towards land."
The GOP is a boat with ten people on it, and two of them are trying to kick the other 8 off the boat because they aren't "conservative enough".
"and then came George W. Bush, the thorn in the Republican Party that finally woke us up"
As long as conservatives who voted for Bush fail to concede that they ***** up, particularly in 2004, I have no problem dismissing them as irrelevant.
"but I do hope Liberals underestimate the power of the new Conservative"
Funny, the last time there was a resurgence of "new conservatives" they called themselves neocons. Look how great things were with those ***** running things.
What's funny is, you and I both want a serious, legitimate, relevant voice for conservatives in America. I actually think some conservative ideas are very good ones and that it's a mistake not to act on the best among them. We disagree on the best way to get there; I say you should embrace moderates whereas you want to eschew them. - Apokalyps2547, on 11/02/2009, -8/+16If the Republican Party is, by all accounts, SMALLER than the Democratic Party today, and if your master plan if to REMOVE undesirable people from it, then it will only shrink.
The far-right already votes Republican, so who to you plan on ADDING to your voter base? - EverythingsRndm, on 11/03/2009, -1/+9Scozzafava sounds like a name Jon Stewart made up for the sole purpose of using his Jerry Lewis voice.
- clvngodess, on 11/03/2009, -0/+8It's okay, really. I was being snarky and the Carrot nudged me, quite rightfully. All's well that ends well.
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