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- jontando, on 10/18/2007, -14/+88@gadren
I personally know three armed forces guys that have been actively learning arabic and farsi as part of their training. So your statement "the US government don't(sic) want their armed forces competent in Arabic" is not true. - barryannarbor, on 10/18/2007, -15/+82Certainly the ever-popular "Death to Israel" demonstrations had some effect on the translation?
- janjouna2, on 10/11/2007, -85/+148 This is how a wrong translation, purposely deceitful can bring about untold consequences for the people involved, and in this case, for the whole region, and perhaps even greater areas of the world Ask Memri They should know!!.
- GlobalistShill, on 10/18/2007, -64/+117Now, having read this article, we all know the danger of misquotes. :) Nevertheless, wrap your mind around this one.
"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
- Ariel Sharon, 3 October, 2001.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/10/Sharon3.html
It is clear how America serves the Israeli government by giving it billions of dollars a year, and arguably more aid than it gives to its own citizens:
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/April_2005/0504016.html
We know what impact the lobbyist "special interests" of AIPAC has on greedy, fearful politicians. But how, exactly, is our current relationship to the Israeli government serving American citizens? America should stop creating enemies for herself by policing the world. She should set her focus on her own soil, her own independence, her own sovereignty, peace, and free trade. America should at no time be be acting as a proxy for another country.
Perhaps the greatest threat of all to America is its relationship to the Federal Reserve (private bank) and the Central Banks,... and the ultra wealthy so called “elite” like the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers, who work in tandem with media and select politicians, in part through the secret audiences like the Bilderberg meetings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group
These "elites" are no friends of America.
"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
- David Rockefeller to Trilateral Commission in 1991
More diabolical Rockefellar quotes can be found here:
http://www.fdrs.org/rockefeller_quotes.html - pintomp3, on 10/11/2007, -53/+100swisscamel: bush did talk about wiping out a regime, and even went through with it. in iraq.
- helinism, on 10/11/2007, -10/+52This has been widely known for some time however, people choose to believe that which suits their chosen ideologies/prejudices best.
- Konstantino, on 10/18/2007, -9/+48Wait, so instead of "map" he said "page of time", instead of "wipe out" he said "vanish from" and instead of "Israel" he said "regime occupying Jerusalem". Am I missing something here, or does that sound almost exactly the same?
- Azimuth1, on 10/11/2007, -15/+54A bot that spreads love across the Internet.
Thank you, janjouna2. - samk, on 10/11/2007, -14/+50"This is how a wrong translation, purposely deceitful can bring about untold consequences for the people involved, and in this case, for the whole region, and perhaps even greater areas of the world"
RTFA.
The source of the misquote was IRAN. Not the US. Not the media.
IRAN released the wrong translation. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -44/+77seriously.
whenever i argue against israel, people always go "anti semite anti semite blah blah blah" (not an exact quote).
i'll take the opportunity to clear this up.
i don't hate jews.
i simply disagree with the way the founding of the nation of israel was carried out, and don't think they deserve to live on the land that they are living on. it just so happens that the people who inhabit said nation are mostly jewish.
oh, also, arabs are semites too. kinda makes the whole anti-semite thing obselete now, doesn't it. - panther83, on 10/11/2007, -21/+52@ SOMEDIGGER, GLOBALISTHILL, OSIPR, and every other IGNORANT, BACKWARDS, IRAN-SYMPATHIZER / AMERICA-HATER
Your bigotry and ignorance are poorly disguised.
If you followed current events you would clearly see the Iranian regime consistently threatens the existence of not only Israel but all of Western Civilization. What do you make of their Holocaust denial conference along with "Death to Israel" "Death to America" parades?
Maybe their true message of love, peace and coexistence was lost in translation. But I doubt it.
Furthermore they back up their terrifying rhetoric with the development of long range nuclear missiles. You cannot honestly believe that the oil rich Iran needs nuclear energy.
The degree of misinformation, bigotry, and hatred seen in these posts is alarming. Many of you are very scary and sorry individuals who have no place commenting on Middle Eastern issues.
Please, go to college, read a book. Get your head out of the sand. - ClearNed, on 10/11/2007, -2/+33@trough
"If you do not exclude them from these United States,in their Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmedhere in such great numbers that they will dominate and devourthe land and change our form of government, for which we Americanshave shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardizedour liberty."
Benjamin Franklin
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This is complete *****. Ben Franklin never said any such thing. This is copied from a site called JewWatch, run by the cultural seperatist and complete douchebag, Frank Weltner. This quote has been long been debunked as a forgery, and was a favorite of the Nazi Party in the 30's. Don't ***** with the founding fathers, *****. - zpn200, on 10/11/2007, -30/+60This whole article is fraud...As an Arabic speaker, the Iranian President made a threat to genocide against not only the Israeli people but America as well which happens to be a violation of international law. His intentions are as clear as day in his statement to destroy Israel and for this article to be published, no less by an Arab, is to show the complacency the majority of the Arab world has with such propaganda.
Hitler was ignored when he boldly proclaimed his genocidal intentions and whoever does the same with the Iranian president, is guilty of the sin of inaction. Furthermore, history is meant to serve a purpose...we are supposed to learn from past mistakes and not allow repetition. And when you see the Muslims of the UK protesting Holocaust education in schools (sounds strikingly familiar to the Holocaust Denial Conference in Tehran), the intentions of the Muslim world are clear: wipe any western, non-Islamic country off the global map.
So do not believe this fradulent attempt to deny the true intentions of a genocidal maniac! The president of Iran is a threat to the whole free world.
- RoflcopterFUEL, on 10/11/2007, -23/+52@popothebright
Iranians aren't arabs dumb *****. Get your ethnicities right first, then go on analysing their politics. - janjouna2, on 10/11/2007, -31/+58 Digg is a brilliant idea, especially for those who have no Internet site, or blog. It gives them, the opportunity of enlarging the circle of those who will read, and perhaps comment on the item. Thank you, Digg.
- JimmyTheClam, on 10/11/2007, -16/+41@GlobalistShill
Not ONE of the quotes you cite even passes a minimal level of scrutiny.
Yes, you posted made-up quotes from a HAMAS affiliated group!
"CAMERA conducted extensive Nexis and Internet searches, and found that no mainstream news organization reported as true the fabricated quotation.
The hoax originated with an October 3, 2001 press release from the pro-Hamas group, the Islamic Association for Palestine."
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=6&x_article=34 - mkyanksfan, on 10/11/2007, -67/+92First of all, I cannot believe that Detritus' moronic ad hominem (which doesn't actually address any of terminalpariah's arguments) is actually being dugg up and terminalpariah is being dugg down. However before you digg me down as well, please hear me out.
Terminalpariah is absolutely right to call out Khomeini's deceptive statement about never starting a war. In Khomeini's opinion, Israel's mere existence is already grounds for retaliation.
As for the anti-Islamic comments in the post, unfortunately, terminalpariah is correct. You don't have to take my word for it though, since the Koran itself gives ample evidence for Islam's vilification of "unbelievers".
"The unbelievers are like beasts which, call out to them as one may, can hear nothing but a shout and a cry. Deaf, dumb, and blind, they understand nothing." (2:172)
"Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage. ... [I]f they attack you put them to the sword. Thus shall the unbelievers be rewarded: but if they desist, God is forgiving and merciful. Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (2:190-193)
"Say to the unbelievers: 'You shall be overthrown and driven into Hell - an evil resting place!'" (3:12)
"Believers, if you yield to the infidels they will drag you back to unbelief and you will return headlong to perdition ... We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. ... The Fire shall be their home." (3:149-151)
"Those that deny Our revelation We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise." (4:55-56)
"[T]hose that disbelieve and deny Our revelations shall become the inmates of Hell." (5:86)
"Such are those that are damned by their own sins. They shall drink scalding water and be sternly punished for their unbelief." (6:70) - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -10/+34zpn200, they speak Farsi, not Arabic you moron.
- kooft, on 10/11/2007, -29/+51so... what's the difference between being "wiped off the map" and being "wiped from the page of history"?
The difference is if you were to call for Israel to be wiped from the map people would be well within reason to consider this a call for genocide, but calling for a regime change in Israel is no more evil than calling for regime change anywhere else in the world. - polybot, on 10/11/2007, -12/+34Gettinreal,
Some of your points are a little inaccurate though you make some fair points on slavery, in fact they really invented the whole modern slavery thing, this from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade
The Arab slave trade refers to the practice of slavery in West Asia, North Africa and East Africa. The trade mostly involved East Africans and Middle Eastern peoples (Arabs, Berbers, Persians, etc.), while others such as Indians played a relatively minor role in comparison. Also, the Arab slave trade was not limited to people of certain color, ethnicity, or religion. In the early days of the Islamic state—during the 8th and 9th centuries—most of the slaves were Slavic Eastern Europeans, (called saqaliba and Mamluk), people from surrounding Mediterranean areas, Persians, Turks, other neighbouring Middle Eastern peoples, and peoples from the Caucasus Mountain regions (such as Georgia and Armenia) and parts of Central Asia, Berbers and various other peoples of often predominatly Caucasoid origins as well as those of Black African origins. Later, toward the 18th and 19th centuries, slaves were increasingly mainly coming from East Africa. - fsjonsey, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23To anyone here who believes that jews and christians were protected under Islam, that just isnt the case. Dont fall for the PC ***** about islam being tolerant of other religions. Jews and christians living in islamic countries, lived under a form of apartheid called Dhimmia. They had to wear diffrent clothes or marks to identify themselves, live in certian parts of cities, were not allowed to build new, nor maintain their churches or synagogues. In an islamic court, the testimony of a Dhimmi is worth only half that of a muslim man, coincidentially the same as a muslum woman. On top of this, "people of the book" as you call them were forced to pay the poll tax, or Jizya in order to recieve the few rights that dhimmia did give them. The entire purpose of Dhimmia was to oppress the christian and jewish populations of newly muslim controlled areas and, over time, force them to become muslim by making staying christian or jewish too difficult for the average citizen to attain. Eventually, the christian and jewish populations were subjugated to a point that they almost dissappeared, making the middle east the muslim stronghold it is today. In fact, jews and christians were the only people to recieve any "protection" at all. Pagans, atheists, Buddhists, and followers of the many tribal religions that once thrived in the middle east were, and still are, Killed on sight. They were seen as less than human, as animals.
- kev009, on 10/11/2007, -16/+37"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."
Oh, what a cute and innocent statement! - TopherT, on 10/18/2007, -25/+46http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9898
Well? Its there in black and white.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad#The_World_without_Zionism - duddles, on 10/11/2007, -1/+21That was McCain.
- myfreepress, on 10/11/2007, -1/+21Comparing Iran with Israel is idiotic.
Israel is a democracy. The rumour of the century is that Arab and Muslim don't have the same rights in Israel as Jews. The whole apartied label is a lie. In Israel, Arabs ride the same buses, eat at the same lunch counters, swim in the same swimming pools.
I know I will get buried, but it is true. Arabs and Persians have more rights in Israel that any Arab/Muslim country in the world.
OK, fire away... - qwertydvorak, on 10/11/2007, -4/+24which is funny because most jews in US vote liberal.
- mre5765, on 10/11/2007, -4/+23Is that why he is locking up Americans who visit their relatives in Iran? Is that why he
is oppressing women in his country?
Nice guy? - popothebright, on 10/18/2007, -24/+43Oh for crying out loud. Sharon didn't say that. Jesus people do you not know the difference between reliable media and propaganda?
- AllenHSmilden, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20@dissident, don't forget it was Great Britain that was responsible for the creation of Israel. I mean give credit where its due. Its not always the US.
- QuidnuncQuixot, on 10/11/2007, -6/+24111 comments and nearly EVERYONE is talking about "those Arabs" or the "translating Arabic". Iran is not an Arab country. They do not speak Arabic. They are Persian. They speak Farsi. If you can't even get that right, how are you qualified to talk about Iranian foreign policy?
- murdockat, on 10/18/2007, -19/+37"Khomeini said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from from the page of time." -- from the article
Well, the regime occupying Jerusalem is the nation of Israel... Oh yes, I see a huge difference between saying "Israel must be wiped off the map," and saying "Israel must vanish from the page of time!" That is a huge issue to take! Completely reasonable to call that a misquote. Technically, I would think that the US media watered it down, since saying that a country must be wiped off the map is probably better than saying that it must be so thoroughly destroyed as to be vanished from history.
Despite your beliefs in whether the founding of Israel was done right or now (which it probably wasn't done right), the fact of the matter is the people who were moved there from Europe after the holocaust weren't in much control at the time, and many of the people who currently live there don't deserve to be killed just because they were born in disputed land. - elderofziyon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18The "World Without Zionism" conference was preceded in the previous year with a "World Without America" conference.
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2006/08/iran-threatening-america-since-2004.html
Somehow, I think that most of the people defending Ahmadinejad on this thread share his desire to see both countries disappear. - fsjonsey, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18Also, heres some Islamic woman's rights in action.
http://www.roozonline.com/english/archives/2007/05/004745.php - Nijenna, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19PROUD Zionist here! (and I'm a Native American ndn who can trace my ancestors to the late 1700's)
Why?
Because I'm a women.. and I would rather be a JEWISH woman than a MUSLIM woman!
Some of you crazy liberals really need a reality check.
Being a Muslim women means being a slave to ALLAH and your male relative!
Being a Jewish women means I have FREE WILL RIGHTS to be religious or not (secular).
There is NO way in hell I would want to live in ANY MUSLIM country! - BarneyF, on 10/11/2007, -24/+42The whole discussion here about being pro Israeli anti Israeli etc. is basically *****.
Here's why:
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9225670
America's support for Israel has helped Israel survive, but it has also helped the Israelis get stupider and stupider.
The point is that we shouldn't be taking sides in the Middle East. We should be trying to solve the problem.
I am no fan of the Iranian president, but we should NOT be inflaming him and threatening him. If I were the Iranians or the North Koreans I would be in a hurry to build a-bombs too - especially after the "axis of evil" speech and the invasion of Iraq.
Look at the map. American conquered the country on Iran's Eastern border and Western border within the last six years. Wouldn't you be a little nervous and prone to crazy remarks if China conquered Canada and Mexico?
But being reasonable doesn't make good soundbites, so it will never gain support in America.
- stupidverizon, on 10/18/2007, -63/+80I watched an interview with him, and the interviewer was some old guy who kept aggravating him and misinterpreting him. The guy even explained his reasoning behind the dislike of the existance of Israel. He reasoned "if the conflict was in europe, why were they given country in the middle east". And that makes sense to me. Although he may not be a saint, far from it, the media does demonize him quiete a bit.
- Finnagain, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19Buried as inaccurate. Because, well, anybody who makes the claim that it was a “mistranslation” is, simply, a liar. Let’s not mince words here, a liar is a liar is a liar. Even if they’re lying for “progressive” causes like committing genocide against the Israelis.
And, I might add, those who make that claim are rather foolish in their lies.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/weekinreview/11bronner.html?ex=1307678400&en=efa2bd266224e880&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
“But translators in Tehran who work for the president's office and the foreign ministry disagree with them. All official translations of Mr. Ahmadinejad's statement, including a description of it on his Web site (www.president.ir/eng/), refer to wiping Israel away. Sohrab Mahdavi, one of Iran's most prominent translators, and Siamak Namazi, managing director of a Tehran consulting firm, who is bilingual, both say "wipe off" or "wipe away" is more accurate than "vanish" because the Persian verb is active and transitive.”
When Iran’s own official translators say that you’re full of it, but you still lie in order to be an apologist for a genocidal madman, you’ve got some serious soul searching to do. - qwertydvorak, on 10/11/2007, -9/+25"It is clear how America serves the Israeli government by giving it billions of dollars a year, and arguably more aid than it gives to its own citizens"
pretty cheap for R&D. they are on the front lines constantly. they contribute lots of military technology to the west. it is the perfect proving ground.
http://safari.oreilly.com/0131420232
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39246
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/18725
just a few examples... - barryannarbor, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19Like Iran's "passive" support for Hezbollah?
- barryannarbor, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19Interesting idea. How about the Arab regimes pay for all the property of the Jews who fled Morocco, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and the other Arab nations in 1948?
Hey, maybe the US should pay reparations to the American Indians? How about the British to the Welsh? The Russians to the Poles? - johnrohan, on 10/11/2007, -2/+18I would love the author of this article to explain Ahmedinijad's "Death to Israel" rally here back in January:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo
How exactly does one take the phrase "Death to Israel" to mean anything other than, well, death to Israel?
More here:
http://shieldofachilles.blogspot.com/2007/05/wiping-out-israel-or-its-government.html - RoflcopterFUEL, on 10/18/2007, -23/+39@tophert's link.
Just to clarify to people here, aljazeera.com is NOT the same as aljazeera.net(which is the more credible) - macslut, on 10/11/2007, -4/+20I'm so tired of hearing people say that the Koran does not tell Islams to kill others. It most certainly does, and this is fact. What is of opinion is whether it was intending to tell Islams to kill. MOST Islams will tell you that it's a religion of peace and does not intend to tell Islams to kill. However, a significant number of Islams (and non-Islams) are interpreting the Koran in a way that does preach killing of non-Islams.
While there has been a terrible history involving the bible, only a fraction of followers are nutjobs who use the bible in evil ways today...still too many and too bad of a history in my opinion, but today the bible pales in comparison to the large numbers of people using the Koran in evil ways.
So before someone defends Islam as a religion of peace and quotes from the translation and interpretation they believe in, they should consider that they're also defending the same religion being translated and interpreted for some serious evil use by a significant number of people. - BohicaTwentyTwo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16Islam means submission, not peace. The two should not be confused.
- myfreepress, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17The ***** was standing in front of a banner that read in English "A world without Zionism"
The conference he was speaking at was a gathering of Iranian Anti-Zionist's.
During every military parade the Iranian Military write anti Israel slogans on missles.
Over and over again, he denies the holocaust ever happened, and sponsors a gathering of like minded anti semites.
He calls for all of Palestine, from river to sea to be jew free.
Television shows, and movies in Iran are allowed to vilify, and dehumanize all jews.
What the **ck does it really matter exactly what the **ck he said that one **cking time? - polybot, on 10/11/2007, -12/+27Gettinreal, some more on Islamic slavery, too bad about Sudan.
In Islamic law, the topic of Islam and slavery is covered at great length.[1] The Qur'an and the hadith consider manumission of a slave to be a meritorious deed, and see slavery as an exceptional circumstance - a condition that can be entered into only under certain limited circumstances.[4] For a variety of reasons, internal growth of the slave population was not enough to fulfill the demand in Muslim society. This resulted in massive importation, which involved enormous suffering and loss of life from the capture and transportation of slaves from non-Muslim lands.[5] In theory, slavery in Islamic law does not have a racial or color component, although this has not always been the case in practice.[6]
The Arab slave trade was most active in eastern Africa, and by the end of the 19th century such activity had reached a low ebb. In the early 20th century (post World War I) slavery was gradually outlawed and suppressed in Muslim lands, largely due to pressure exerted by Western nations such as Britain and France.[4] However, slavery claiming the sanction of Islam is documented presently in the African republics of Chad, Mauritania and the Sudan.[7][8][9] - jackfulcher, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16Some of these comments are just scary. Read their newspapers. Read the mainstream Egyptian or Pakistani press. They're on the internet - get off your lazy butts and educate youreslf. These people (the islamofascists) want to kill us and drag the world back to the ninth century. Sure, we have our crackpots (Fallwell, e.g.), but they never say to wrap your kids in dynamite and put them on the bus. There's no moral equilivancy between our crazies and theirs. They win, hands down. We need to be in the middle east in a big way just to keep them from spreading the Shari'ah. If you don't want your daughters hanged for wearing jeans, as they do in Iran, wake up and read their stuff.
- barryannarbor, on 10/11/2007, -8/+22Agreed. Apparently the Zionists have frightening powers, and are responsible for all the evils in the Middle East.
For all the people digging these matters down - have you considered that the source of this article (antiwar.com) has it's own, clearly stated bias against Israel? Have you noticed how they ignore Palestinian attacks _of choice_ against Israeli civilians? No. Because the Zionists, who control the banks and the US government, are inherently evil.
Just wait a few moments, I'll be dugg down... - popothebright, on 10/11/2007, -15/+29@Osipr
You get an F, go to the back of the class.
The term Semite, refers to all mideastern peoples. The term "Anti-Semite" does not. Now run along and go and try looking it up again.
an·ti-Sem·ite /ˌæntiˈsɛmaɪt, ˌæntaɪ- or, especially Brit., -ˈsimaɪt/
–noun
a person who discriminates against or is prejudiced or hostile toward Jews.
@getinreal
You're jealous that Jews get their own "special" term for the centuries of murder, pogroms, forced sub-status, and exclusion? Perhaps it's because Jews are the most persecuted group in the history of the West. They were forced to live in Ghettos, walk on special streets, work in different areas and they were banned from European guilds. The Catholic church encouraged their persecution, blaming them for the death of Christ. The Spanish government burned them at the stake. So yeah... they get their own word. You want one too or something? - popothebright, on 10/11/2007, -7/+21Ok, but first all European cities east of Frankfurt need to cough up $ for all the land that used to be Jewish. Oh and by the way, Jews did buy the land from Palestinians. Look it up.
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