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- PhoenixTx, on 06/25/2009, -9/+315No
- WoofThis, on 06/25/2009, -14/+292"Legislation has become so complex, you can really make the arugment the system the framers devised is broken," he said. "Most bills are voted upon without those voting understanding much of what's in it."
"It makes a mockery of the process"
FIRE EVERY DAMN ONE OF THEM
Many belong in federal prison - Indyanna, on 06/25/2009, -6/+165
"The fastest speed-readers and the most intelligent minds can't make informed decisions with that much time. How can Congress?" Sunlight Foundation Engagement Director Jake Brewer said today in a statement. "The problem here is the bill wasn't developed in the open in a committee, so no one -- including those members of Congress not on the Energy Committee -- knows how this latest version was created."
Some of you are old enough to remember the Cold War days. Remember when we'd learn in school that the Russian gov't was nothing more than a group of yes-men who rubber stamped everything put in front of them, and we'd think "That's crazy." Never dreamed it would happen to us. - sduncan000, on 06/25/2009, -23/+165If this passes, we are all screwed.
Gas prices - up
Electric prices - up
Oil prices - up
Heating oil prices - up
Dollar value - down dooby doo down down.
We need fresh blood, not fresh taxes, mr. obama - cersad, on 06/26/2009, -5/+119If everyone is so mad, why do they keep re-electing the same damn representatives over and over and over again?
Isn't the incumbency rate in Congress around 90%? - nomarxist, on 06/25/2009, -9/+112Let's think about another version of cap and trade. In my version we hand Congress their caps, show them the door, and trade them for some people with common sense, along with a respect for this country!
- jammies, on 06/25/2009, -13/+89One word..........NO.........
One question........how many of them CAN read??? - frsrblch, on 06/26/2009, -1/+76Unless you are caught having an affair, people just assume you're doing a good job.
I wish my work was like that. - Snarfy, on 06/26/2009, -0/+71The whole system is a ***** joke. If you were pissed about the Bush years, if you thought you were going to get "Change you can believe in™", you should sit back and watch c-span for a few months and see how it really works. It's pathetic.
- Husky217, on 06/26/2009, -0/+64Incompetence is bipartisan.
- g0thm0g, on 06/26/2009, -6/+70"Last month, when Republicans tried to stall energy legislation with hundreds of amendments, Democrats HIRED A SPEED READER to get through them all."
You don't need any more proof than that to know our government is broken. - TwwIX, on 06/26/2009, -2/+52No. They are too busy counting their bribe money.
- JJDiggle, on 06/26/2009, -2/+46Check out Downsize DC's "Read the Bills Act".
Downsizedc.org/page/read_the_laws
"One Subject at a Time Act" is another good one. - LeepII, on 06/26/2009, -2/+44The bill was written by special interest, Congress just cut n pasted it together.
The two party system is a sham, most of Congress is just there to rip off the American taxpayer. - FearlessFreep, on 06/26/2009, -3/+44What's scarier is when we thought it was a farce that the only people who could be 'elected' were those put forth by the party....sorta like the Republican and Democrat party bosses tells us who can win and the media decides who is 'electable'.
Your choice of who you can even vote for or who can even run is decide by people with no accountability and with the continuation of their own power as their guiding principle - Bloodwine, on 06/26/2009, -1/+41Not to mention you can give yourself raises. At what other job can you give yourself raises?!
- these3remain, on 06/25/2009, -2/+40Yep.
- inactive, on 06/26/2009, -8/+45One way to fix this?
Remove the legalese and use every day language so EVERYONE can understand....it may cut down on the word count too! - ThornHarvestar, on 06/26/2009, -1/+38Pretty sure he's referencing an old song. idiot.
- Bloodwine, on 06/26/2009, -2/+38We could go a long way towards fixing Congress if we just got rid of the practice of rider bills.
- Charlotte_Web, on 06/26/2009, -4/+40Congress is trying to rush through the Global Warming bill today before they go on vacation. Last I heard, it was 1200 pages. It rolls out billions in new taxes on the middle class (didn't Obama promise us he wouldn't raise taxes on the middle class?).
Think every congressperson has read this bill in just a few days? Hell no. The public hasn't had sufficient time to study it, either.
http://digg.com/politics/WSJ_com_Opinion_The_Cap_a ... - FearlessFreep, on 06/26/2009, -2/+37It's a line from a song, "Breaking Up Is Hard To Do"
- j0hnk377y, on 06/26/2009, -1/+33Sort of like voting to authorize war and then saying they didn't fully understand they were voting on allowing the president to authorize war actions.
- RainyDayNinja, on 06/26/2009, -2/+31Because MY congressman is good. It's just all those OTHER idiots messing things up... Wait, who are my congressmen again?
- FearlessFreep, on 06/26/2009, -2/+30I get the feeling that many who voted for Obama and for the Democrats at the mid terms politically 'came of age' so to speak under Bush and a Republican congress. When they looked up and saw what was going on, they thought it was because of the Republican party in general and Bush in particular, and seemed to think that putting the Democrats in charge would solve everything.
Now, hopefully, they will see with a Democrat in the white hose and Democrat control of the Legislature, that it's not about Republican or Democrat, that the party in power is always corrupt and the minority party is always hypocritical and that, when dealing with people who want political power, the grass is never greener over in the other lawn - KennMac, on 06/26/2009, -1/+28You're doing it wrong. Lobbyists write them.
- ddgconsultant, on 06/26/2009, -1/+27WoofThis - I agree -- And if that isn't one of the dumbest comments by Hanna -- I don't know what is. If we go back and look at our Constitution -- our framers didn't write a 1,000 page document -- What they built wasn't broken. Years of inept congress building in loopholes and making things overly complex is what broke it - Here's a thought - KEEP IT SIMPLE and DO YOUR DAMN JOB!
- Manther, on 06/26/2009, -0/+25It sure helped the U.S. circa 1776...
- deema1, on 06/26/2009, -2/+25I'd be reamed, fired, and sued if I were too lazy to read business proposals before signing them. And yet, our elected officials do so with gleeful impunity.
Any Congressperson who voted for a bill without reading it should be voted out of office on principle alone, regardless of their prior track record. - inactive, on 06/26/2009, -4/+26Why read them, isn't that what Lobbyists are for?
- FearlessFreep, on 06/26/2009, -0/+22Richard Scary's Big Book Of Deficit Spending
Cap & Trade Pop Up Book
Patriot Act For Dummies - govsucks, on 06/26/2009, -1/+22Can you imagine if you signed a contract without reading it? Well these people do that. They sign things without reading them and they want to manage your health, your retirement and your investments. This isn't a joke, this is the future for us as free individuals not to mention future generations. These people go to DC and live the good life then retire on a government pension with no concern as to the damage they have left in their wake. We are heading for disaster. Our own people are doing what the soviets never could. Defeating liberty. People are willingly handing their liberty and free choice to government and telling us that "democracy" allows them to force us to give up our liberty as well. WHAT.THE.*****
- librtyship, on 06/26/2009, -26/+46Oh, this is really great! Our representatives are supposed to dig thru 1200 pages of this fradulent crap and try to make heads or tails of it! The entire thing amounts to the ripoff of the century and will probably wind up spinning us into a full blown depression! But then again Obama has proven he has the superb skills to turn disaster into catastrophe and most of the Democrats are hell bent on destroying the economy and our nation! Aren't these great times to be living in?? One can't even feel comfortable living in this country anymore as one has to wonder what is going to be destroyed tomorrow. As far as congress goes we should put a cap on every one of them, then take them out and trade them in for a bunch of monkeys! We would get just as much worthwhile legislation from the monkeys and it would save a lot of money as we could pay them in bananas!
- richmomz, on 06/26/2009, -1/+21I thought it was pretty cool - maybe you're the one that sucks?
- greendalek, on 06/26/2009, -2/+22That was BEAUTIFUL. *applauds*
- gstep, on 06/26/2009, -3/+23Its ironic to see Diggers so upset about this bill. A majority of you voted for this change so don't be upset that now you're getting what you asked for.
- FearlessFreep, on 06/26/2009, -0/+20wasn't that Hillary trying to explain why she should be President?
Hey speaking of which, is Obama actually reading these things he's signing? - steelersfan7roe, on 06/26/2009, -3/+23Do my lobbyists support it? That's all they need to know.
- JohnGalt01, on 06/25/2009, -11/+30The best investment I can think of right now is a big honkin coal fired powerplant just over the Mexican border. After all, all the manufacturers will need power where they are going!
- malman4, on 06/26/2009, -1/+20Remember when the POTUS asked for an immediate vote on the spending bill when he first took office? No one had time to read it, and they even called one back from grievance leave for family. They passed it without reading, and then it languished for several days before the President even bothered to sign it, knowing he had what he had asked for.........
- DavidNiven, on 06/26/2009, -6/+25Yes, but now that the Democrats control the White House, House of Representatives, AND the Senate, they get the lion's share of the blame.
This stimulus is a Democrat creation, pushed by Democrats, funded by Democrats, and supported by Democrats. They are in charge, so... - kkonarik, on 06/26/2009, -0/+18Groups of people from each state should start to sue them that would be one hell of a grassroots movement. That may open there eyes.
- tgc1, on 06/26/2009, -1/+19It would appear that the role of government in this regard is not to make anyone safer, or enhance the lives of its people, but to directly meddle and ***** up every aspect of your life. Making you subject to asinine law making that you have no clue of. This makes your life difficult, and convoluted to the point where you can barely function on a daily basis without receiving a ticket for something.
What this does is keep you busy enough to not be able to see how badly you are being *****. I wish I was exaggerating. But again, ask your normal every day Joes and Janes what's going on in the Government, they don't have a ***** clue. Why? Because they are too busy trying to keep the bank from taking their house and car. Working. Trying to keep their noses out of trouble. But they put more cops out there. Those cops need to be paid for.
You can only tax a populous so much before they revolt. So what to do? Enact more legislation that barely a soul alive knows they are a party to. Then when they don't know any better, nail them for every little god damned thing. Pinch them here, pinch them there. Tax them here, fees there. You get the money one way or another. But the people are so occupied in the little rat race you've created that they can't see what's REALLY going on. How much they are being taxed directly and indirectly. Therefore there is no revolt.
You add up all the taxes and fees you're paying. Let me tell you something, you're paying A ***** TON of taxes that you don't even know about. There's one that is unavoidable and they can get you to pay whether you like it or not. It's called inflation. The hidden tax and effect of printing money out of thin ***** air.
So, no, they will not be reading the bills. Their job is to keep all of us occupied and confused. Like rats in a cage. You want change? This is business as usual. Different face, same game. Go back to 1913 and read the federal reserve act. It is legislation like that which sold us all up the river ages ago. - Feraldr00d, on 06/26/2009, -2/+19I dunno, I don't like to use "republican" derogatorily. Republican isn't a bad thing. Neo-conservatism IS a bad thing. Throwing parties around like it's playground name-calling only widens the gap.
Democrat and Republican should reflect upon your ideas, possibly loosely. People should judge upon those ideas, not party affiliation. It makes no sense.
The fact that the Democrats control most of White House, House of Representatives and Senate should not make a difference in they way we view obvious poor decision-making on their collective part. Don't blame, or hate, the party just because of the title. Hold each individual accountable for his or her actions and decisions.
I know I'm young, but come on, people! - diguptruth77, on 06/26/2009, -1/+17The answer is not more taxes, it's less overseas military spending. AND, smaller Federal Government. Why don't we cut the Federal Government's size in half, and bolster the local governments, where it might actually be effective. That circus on Washington is just that, a bunch of clowns dancing and juggling.
- thinkb4utype, on 06/26/2009, -4/+20Congress is in session only 3 days a week, plus they get a week off for the holidays, except for Thanksgiving and Christmas, when they take a full month off. The result is 98 days of work (versus 250 days for the average American).
This doesn't include vacations/junkets. For the average American, another 10 days of paid vacation. For the average, congressman these trips are called junkets and also take another 10 days off the work year.
So, the average congressman works 88 days versus 240 for their constituents, or about 1/3 the time.
It's been said that it's not how long you work, but how hard you work that counts. So, we should take another 20 days off the congress work year, making it equivalent to 1/4 of an average American's.
Now, you can't expect them to read bills. They simply don't have the time ... or do you expect them to work overtime for free? - RonPauls, on 06/26/2009, -2/+17being against incompetence is solely republican?
I don't think so...
P.S. the comments above say things like "Fire every damn one of them" and "Incompetence is bipartistan". - Alderon, on 06/26/2009, -1/+16Bloodwine,
That raise is given for just being there thanks to a law change in the '80s. Now they have to actually go to the effort to vote NOT to get the raise. Geee don't see any of them co-sponsoring the bill to NOT get a raise.
Send um all packing and cut their retirement pay to $26,000 a year. Then maybe things would get fixed. - WasabiBomb, on 06/26/2009, -5/+20The legalese is there to prevent loopholes- that's the reason bills and laws are written in boilerplate. Not that it always works, of course, but it helps.
Believe me, I would prefer that they be written in layman's terms... but it's just not safe to do so. - flahavin, on 06/26/2009, -2/+17Well..they are the ones responsible for this so called "crisis"....so I wouldn't count on them for anything.
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