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buenosairesenglish.blogspot.co… — They are now interpreting their results to tell us that Romney "won". But according to the results, he didn't. Why are they intentionally mis-representing their own results?

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  • jeffiek, on 10/12/2007, -11/+81I'ld also like to know why digg users are lying by marking this:
    http://www.digg.com/2008_us_elections/Breaking_ABC_Leaves_Ron_Paul_Off_Poll_Currently_Deleting_User_Comments
    as inaccurate.
  • pinkSocks, on 10/12/2007, -7/+59I wouldn't be surprised if it was a gang from ABC burying the story.
  • mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -3/+42Yeah, apparently the reddit users had to resubmit the article 5 times because it kept on getting buried for no reason. When it finally reached the front page, it was buried again, as "inaccurate".

    ABC deleted two of my comments which in no way violated any rules, along with hundreds of other comments that related to Paul or ABC's censoring.
  • nokla, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32The MSM loves the Internet - until they remember that they can't control it. Then they start acting strange. You'd think they'd have learned by now - but they are the MSM so they probably need to get zapped a few more times for it to sing in.
  • FunkBuddha, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27Anyone got any phone numbers for the people at MSNBC?
  • nokla, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24I'll tell you what, put on a blue helmet and drive past my house in an APC and see what happens. :)
  • ganjadude4391, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26MSNBC
    Address One MSNBC Plaza, Secaucus NJ 07094
    Tel (201) 583-5000
    Fax (201) 583-5453/5584
    Email letters@msnbc.com world@msnbc.com
    News w Brian Williams brian.williams@msnbc.com 201-583-5030
    (Steven Capus, exec producer steven.capus@msnbc.com 201-583-5102)

    Hardball w Chris Matthews hardball@msnbc.com 202-783-2615
    Ashleigh Banfield ashleigh.banfield@msnbc.com

    *note some of the names may not be there anymore, but the main number is accurate
  • FunkBuddha, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25Here's a few email addresses.

    viewerservices@msnbc.com, countdown@msnbc.com, hardball@msnbc.com, Tucker@msnbc.com, themost@msnbc.com, joe@msnbc.com, MTP@NBC.com, Dateline@NBC.com, Nightly@NBC.com, WT@nbc.com, Today@NBC.com, letters@msnbc.com, business@MSNBC.com
  • nokla, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21Here's a link. You can use "Call for Free" to call them for free:
    http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&ss=yp.msnbc&cp=40.771507~-74.035578&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=2737960&encType=1
  • givemereplay, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Why is MSNBC lying? Because MSNBC owned by NBC, which is owned by General Electric (GE). GE is a war contractor and makes a killing off of it. If they can get another pro-war right winger into office they get another 8 years of huge profits. From a news standpoint it is simply easier to pit a hard right candidate against a left candidate. Black vs white. Nothing could be simpler. Can you imagine trying to explain the more complex details of Ron Paul's fiscal policy as compared with that of say Hillary in a 30 second segment?
  • Beatmiser, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15It boggles my mind that the same readers who would willingly spam the hex code in the name of free speech are telling us to calm down over an actual issue of free speech. /head implody
  • dkm201, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18Personally, I trust spam-fed internet polls for my credible news sources.
  • SlvrEagle23, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17I'm doing it...and so should the rest of you!

    If censorship of decryption keys pisses you all enough to overthrow a site's governing policies, surely the continuing censorship of democratic practices should encourage some sort of action...
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12The media elite..."We are richer, better looking, and don't give a ***** about America."

    Seriously, just report the news and stop manipulating the polls.
  • natmaster, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14They probably realize people will actually vote Republican if Ron Paul is the candidate, otherwise the Dems are a shoe-in for years to come.
  • mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12"2) (to this article) Perhaps (just perhaps) MSNBC is accounting for the digg effect. Don't think so? Check this out (relates the the subject of this thread): http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9523/ronpaulyv1.jpg"

    That's because they finally added him to the poll and deleted the earlier results. We were all there at the time so they became a bit skewed. This is entirely their fault of course, as it wouldn't have been skewed if they had included him in the poll in the first place.
  • badfish0116, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13That mindset is the mian obstacle that is in the way of Ron getting in the office. This is a fleeting chance in our Republics history taking place right in front of our eyes. I sincerely believe that. People are waking up at a much faster pace than ever before. This may sound rather dramatic but all Ron Paul supporters and in indeed all patriots need to stand up and say that we will support and PROTECT Ron Paul. We cannot afford for anything to happen to Dr. Paul. We must be willing to support him with all the might and force that the people have. Just as our founding fathers had to dig in deep and fight to rip the yoke of tyranny off of them so shall we have to. Dont be afraid,Wake people up and Take back the REPUBLIC!!!!

    Please donate whatever you can do Ron Pauls campaign @ www.ronpaul2008.com

  • diablo75, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Great analysis!
  • mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Here's the comments in which they kept attempting to submit the story to digg but it was continuously buried: http://reddit.com/info/1nudg/comments
  • ucbrave92, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14this is horrible and it is so blatant. they say he can't win, that there is a lack of recognition. well no s**t! they won't say his name. why? because they know he could win if he got the time on air.

    please respond to this and let me know if my feeling is right. he is a candidate that both sides can go for. while dems may not agree with him on abortion or gay marriage (his personal belief). he does not feel the federal gov should make the call, that it should be a state decision. now, i think that sounds as fair as anything. that would allow the red states to ban it if they want and the blue states to allow it.

    so am i correct that he is a candidate both sides can agree on?
  • blankman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9that site is a CSS mess in firefox
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"MSNBC is part of the SHILL media just like all major media sources. Dont believe this *****. Imagine a gigantic turd coming out of the t.v. into your mouth. This is MSNBC. Who cares what they say. Stop watching that *****. Dont fall into the trap thinking that Fox News is biased and the other stations are fair or progressive. Do you really think that Chris Matthews gives two ***** about the truth or keeping you informed. Chris Matthews has no clue who the ***** I am....how can he care about me? Thing is...you pay to watch this *****.

    The last few years I have been crunching and running the numbers....tweaking my equations playing with the variables... My research has come up with a startling conclusion to many of the questions and problems that I could not previously understand. My research has led me to the conclusion that the majority of Americans are total ***** idiots. Once you realize this then all things fall into place.

    Most people will believe anything they see on tv or read in print. Therefore, if you are interested in controlling people then just control the flow of information.

    Their main trick is framing the debate, issue, or question for you. Once you use their terms and their language then you are already *****. They form in our minds their opinions of reality and pass it off as dogma. Think for yourself. WMD's...Freedom...Terror....*****. The chance of some peasants in a ***** cave coming here and killing me or my family is 0. When those ***** pop here in 'Bama then I'll take care of 'em. Until then I aint worried. Its all FEAR. Like they're going to attack wave after wave and take away our freedom because they hate us....If you believe this then you are already dead. Only politicians can take away our freedoms...and they;ve been working overtime to do it.

    A trillion ***** dollars wasted for nothing. Is Iraq a better place? Is Aghanistan a better place? Is our country a better place? Is the world safer? Its time to wake up.

    Take your t.v. and throw it out into the street NOW. Take the 70 bucks a month you save from paying for cable and buy a firearm. Learn to use it."



    A-*****-MEN TO THAT!!
  • Zarxrax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"And maybe they know that Ron Paul supporters are notorious for spamming on-line polls. Seems to me that would be a good reason to not declare him the winner. His followers cheat." - Herkimer56

    Cheating? What cheating? Are you referring to the mere act that people voted in an online poll? Last I heard, when someone puts up an online poll, the idea is that people are expected to vote on it. Are you saying that, for some reason, only people who came from digg should not have their voices heard in this poll? Why is that? Every other citizen who visits msnbc's site is able to voice their opinion in the poll, except someone who happens to also visit digg? I'm willing to bet more msnbc users voted in the poll than digg users. Should msnbc users be banned from the poll as well?
  • 2Tim17, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Please research the Unfederal Reserve before you decide his beliefs are wrong. Could this country be any weaker financially? The dollar has dropped, what- 40% in the last 5 years. The Unfed no longer reports m3 (total money supply). Remember, the Great Depression happened 26 years AFTER the Unfed took over the nations currency. Read "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffiin.
  • kingkilr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Maybe they don't declare the winner exclusively based on the polls . . .
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13If the polls are unscientific and unreliable, why make these damn polls? Paul and Gravel needs to man-up and get some lawyers.

    I'm tired of the elite.
  • hagbard72, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6In the USofA, its about style over substance. Paul has lots of substance, little style. He's also a danger to the status quo, the other candidates represent a maintenance of the status quo. Paul represents a smooth transition to change. Change will come regardless, it just may not be smooth.

    BTW, that website is a mess. Clean it up.
  • olik, on 10/12/2007, -5/+101) Because ABC has since added him.
    2) Perhaps (just perhaps) MSNBC is accounting for the digg effect. Don't think so check this out (relates the the subject of this thread) http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9523/ronpaulyv1.jpg
  • tehbored, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Well it's pretty clear who did win. Here's a hint: his name starts with "Ron" and ends with "Paul." Guess who it is yet?
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5No, the media wants a democrat to be president. So they are pushing the most unelectable republican possible: someone gullible enough to believe that solid gold plates with silly messages written on them can float up to heaven before they can be seen by anyone except a proven con man.
  • caplist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6electing Ron Paul would be a moment of revolution in our lives...do we have enough backbone left to make it happen?
  • Guitarzan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6.38 (RP's % on MSNBC) x 60,130 (total votes on the first question) = 22,849. I think digg at MOST would account for two thousand, based on his most recently high-dugg story, http://digg.com/politics/Ron_Paul_s_Approval_Rating_s_up_32_Following_Republican_Debates. Nevertheless, Dr P for Pres!
  • FunkBuddha, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9MSNBC Feedback
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  • gcnaddict, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10"Because it's a REPUBLIC."

    That's what a representative democracy is, dumbass. Why are getting dugg up? Why is poop being dugg down? What the hell is going on here? This is a backwards day on digg.

    According to dictionary.com, a republic is "a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them."
  • sentime, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7How can you call Ron Paul supporters poll spammners. If this was the case with 70k votes he'd be at 34% also before the debate, not at 9%. What a silly statement to make. Also on the smaller polls Ron Paul would get 70k votes not the 500-900 we see.

    Do some fact checking before you make up nonsense. Ron Paul won the debate hands down, the 25% jump in rating shows it. MSNBC won't cover him because once again they want to pick the president for us. If they properly reported, the average joe that doesn't educate himself on the internet would get his message and make Ron VERY electable. As it is now, the average votes goes on what they hear on the tv/radio news.

    If they keep this up, the best thing that could possibly happen is a backlash againts the MSN hitting their bottom line to the point of puttingn them out of buisiness.
  • maiios, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I really doubt that is why. This whole story smells like an extremeist group pouncing on Digg..
  • poop69, on 10/12/2007, -15/+19Because their parent company.. G. E. makes bombs.......Ron might not buy any....

    The real questions are...." Why do delegates choose the winner of the primary?

    and.............. Why does the electoral collage choose the president?

    WHY DOES OUR REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY NOT EVEN CLOSELY REPRESENT A DEMOCRACY AT ALL?
  • GettinReal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6MSNBC is part of the SHILL media just like all major media sources. Dont believe this *****. Imagine a gigantic turd coming out of the t.v. into your mouth. This is MSNBC. Who cares what they say. Stop watching that *****. Dont fall into the trap thinking that Fox News is biased and the other stations are fair or progressive. Do you really think that Chris Matthews gives two ***** about the truth or keeping you informed. Chris Matthews has no clue who the ***** I am....how can he care about me? Thing is...you pay to watch this *****.

    The last few years I have been crunching and running the numbers....tweaking my equations playing with the variables... My research has come up with a startling conclusion to many of the questions and problems that I could not previously understand. My research has led me to the conclusion that the majority of Americans are total ***** idiots. Once you realize this then all things fall into place.

    Most people will believe anything they see on tv or read in print. Therefore, if you are interested in controlling people then just control the flow of information.

    Their main trick is framing the debate, issue, or question for you. Once you use their terms and their language then you are already *****. They form in our minds their opinions of reality and pass it off as dogma. Think for yourself. WMD's...Freedom...Terror....*****. The chance of some peasants in a ***** cave coming here and killing me or my family is 0. When those ***** pop here in 'Bama then I'll take care of 'em. Until then I aint worried. Its all FEAR. Like they're going to attack wave after wave and take away our freedom because they hate us....If you believe this then you are already dead. Only politicians can take away our freedoms...and they;ve been working overtime to do it.

    A trillion ***** dollars wasted for nothing. Is Iraq a better place? Is Aghanistan a better place? Is our country a better place? Is the world safer? Its time to wake up.

    Take your t.v. and throw it out into the street NOW. Take the 70 bucks a month you save from paying for cable and buy a firearm. Learn to use it.



  • rholloway, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The worst part of that blog were the comments at the bottom. There are a bunch of stupid ***** people on the internets.
  • nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -13/+17I'm not saying he isn't the best candidate, but don't look TOO far into these results. The people that would answer a poll on the internet are FAR more likely to be supporters of Ron Paul and you all know it. That said, MSNBC has a responsibility not to blatantly about the results of their polls.
  • noamsml, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3While I'm personally less and less a supporter of Paul (I like his foreign policy and small government stance, but dismantling the IRS very quickly could be disastrous and his idea of electoral reform leaves a lot to be desired [he believes senators should be elected by state legislatures and that the electoral college should stay]), I believe that this is dishonest and manipulative on MSNBC's part. And for those of you that don't believe that this is deliberate, please watch Brian Springer's excellent documentary, "Spin":

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7344181953466797353&q=Spin
  • viviwanu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3MSNBC, like FOX, is just another media whore who works for the invisible madam.
  • bswarts, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Should Americans really be so surprised that the media is manipulating who they should vote for in elections? This really should not come as a shock to any one of us. All media outlets have a particular slant or view (i.e. CNN, MSNBC) that they portray for any number of reasons that remain undisclosed to the general public.
  • satanatnmtedu, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Did you even look at the rankings?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16711064/

    Criteria for evaluation: "These rankings are ordered by likelihood of winning the Republican Party primary and are based on a number of factors, including organization, money, buzz and polling."

    On Ron Paul:"The anti-war Republican stood out, and his answers were the talk of the spin room -- well, parts of it, anyway. Our problem: until he starts to take votes from someone else, we don't know where to place him."

    It doesn't seem like lying to me. They are being honest in that he wasn't ranked previously, and they don't know where to put him yet. Paul has the buzz, but does he have the money or organization? I don't think he does. So, he shouldn't be ranked very high based on their stated criteria.

    You people are just freaking out over nothing.
  • Rojahon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That's my problem. Even though the poll wasn't scientific, that's still way too many people for MSNBC to ignore.
  • inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@TheLD

    and you know we will. The inevitability of human ignorance. :D
  • Amadeus2490, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9I just want to ask something:

    Do you honestly think they'll let Ron Paul become the president? Do you think that everyone that's currently in power is going to say "Oh, well you want to get rid of the Federal Reserve, the income tax, you want to stop illegal immigration, you want to sever all illegal ties with Israel, you want to get rid of the IRS, and you want to do away with the national ID act? Well here, let's step down and let you remove us from power; that's what the people want."

    As much as we all hate to admit it, this country hasn't been about what the people want for a very, very long time. . .if any time. Ron Paul is the only person i'll ever want to be the president, and obviously he won't be our leader anytime soon. . .I hate all other democrats and republicans because they're exactly what's wrong with this country, and the world. If it were up to us you know for a fact the man would be our leader. . .remember when everyone tried to vote George W. Bush out of office in 2004? Yeah, so does Diebold.
  • RonPaulPres2008, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8winning does not equate to who got the most time to speak, but in ABCs eyes and most peoples eyes this is the case, unfortunately. its clear as day that ron paul won this debate, because he was the only one speaking from his gut.
  • R1ng00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3MSNBC did the same thing to Mike Gravel http://polidics.com/media/msnbc-mike-gravel-rude-so-were-not-ranking-him#comments . The only difference being that they PUBLICLY stated they would not cover him because he was "rude".
  • dmh11686, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Ok diggers, this is real simple, gaming on line polls does not mean that Ron Paul won the debate. The reason that most political pundits are saying that Romney won is because he did. He seemed the most presidential and was able to articulate his position well. Paul looked like a nut who stumbled on the stage. Everyone knows, except diggers, that Ron Paul is not a serious candidate, most republicans will not vote for him in the primary. MSNBC on line polls are often gamed by liberals. I've seen a number of MSNBC online polls show that 80% of respondents want President Bush impeached which is obviously inaccurate. I'm not a fan of MSNBC, but in this instance, they are not lying but facing reality which some of you seem to be detached from.
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