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- Rojahon, on 10/11/2007, -37/+388Wow, this is truly enlightening. I know it's long, but I urge everyone to make an effort to read it. It makes Giuliani's statements last night seem even more ignorant and exposes our current policies in Iraq as being unarguably irresponsible.
- EntropyMan, on 10/11/2007, -22/+297Guiliani's position is basically, "They hate us because we're beautiful."
It is, in and of itself, insulting to people with some legitimate and some unrealistic beefs. That's not to say their methods are at all acceptable. But their methods are not so astronomically far from our methods when we were trying to throw off oppression too. The only way we're going to end terrorism is to end the conditions that promote it, and we're at least partly responsible for taking positive and not just punitive action. - justintsmith, on 10/11/2007, -28/+253Is it just me, or is it not MINDBLOWING that this question is just starting to merit serious attention in the media / public discourse / national consciousness???
Forget Iraq, forget Islam, forget WMDs, forget oil, forget freedom-hating evil-doers.
Its almost unbelievable that people, beyond a passing remark about the intents of 'The Terrorists' never really considered why the boogey-man, Osama, orchestrated such an immense and devestating attack on American soil.
It makes me sad. - tidu, on 10/11/2007, -32/+244The truth hurts.
- masamunecyrus, on 10/11/2007, -16/+201I've said it before and I'll say it again...
As President John Quincy Adams, known as the most intelligent president ever, and is also commonly agreed upon as the best foreign relations president in history, once said:
"America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. "
It's a shame that we are now in a day and age where intelligent people no longer make it to the white house. - Joeymarshmallow, on 10/11/2007, -32/+165Read the part about how he blames American citizens for the crimes committed overseas - He's simply wrong when he assumes that all Americans approve of our countries military operations. Yes, we are democratic in voting in our higher officials who make these decisions, but it's illogical to assume that every American approves what our country does militarily. In fact, I'm sure many more Americans are against the majority of our Military campaigns than behind them. Some of the reasons listed in this letter may make sense, but the way in which they have decided to respond to our actions is ridiculous.
- Fhionnlaoch, on 10/11/2007, -18/+137You want to know what's really enlightening, Osama isn't even wanted for the 9/11 attacks:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
See: "Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world." - wesamel, on 10/11/2007, -14/+116Even more troubling was the media's reaction to Giuliani's idiocy. The consensus on Hardball with Chris Matthews was that Giuliani "hit a home run" with his response. Um...what? And when Wolf Blitzer was interviewing Ron Paul today he repeatedly pushed the idea that Paul was blaming the American people for 9/11 when that clearly wasn't the case. Keep in mind that this is on CNN and MSNBC, just a reminder that Fox isn't the only news channel that can't be trusted.
- DeskFlyer, on 10/11/2007, -31/+132***** Giuliani.
- Aeaus, on 10/11/2007, -14/+99No, No, No. They hate us because of our FREEEDDOOOOMMMMMSS!
Luckily they won't hate us for long if that is really the case and Giuliani becomes elected. - swrostmore, on 10/11/2007, -13/+87Great submission, a really interesting read. Apparently Bin Laden has a lot in common with American neocons! The love for theocratic government, the preoccupation with homosexuality and "morality," hatred of immigrants, hangups about sex, belief that Jews control the media, and even a rant about Clinton in the Oval Office! I'm frankly amazed at the parallels.
- longboarder543, on 10/11/2007, -47/+110Read this and tell me that you agree with him, Digg. It seems like some of you are trying to make this into some great letter that makes more sense than US policy. I guess the scientific-minded, atheist diggers are willing to skip over the sections of his letter I've quoted below:
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As for the second question that we want to answer: What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?
(1) The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.
"...complete submission to His Laws; and of the discarding of all the opinions, orders, theories and religions which contradict with the religion He sent down to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)."
"It is the religion of Jihad in the way of Allah so that Allah's Word and religion reign Supreme."
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In bin Laden's world we would be living in the 13th century. - badjoke, on 10/11/2007, -7/+69It's ridiculous and close-minded to think we were attacked with by no fault of our own. I'm sure most fellow Americans believe it though, including all the idiots applauding for Giuliani at the GOP debate.
- SuperMoses, on 10/11/2007, -6/+64Forget what Osama said, just read "Blowback" by Chalmers Johnson. Read statements from CIA officials warning of blowback. This isn't anything new, but he media seems to avoid this issue and idiots like Guiliani continue to deceive the public suggesting America is hated because they're so great and free. *****, if that's the case Sweden needs to watch out!
- jerryparid, on 10/11/2007, -7/+63.....remember the sanction that Ron Paul was talking about?
"(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down." - knightblade2oo4, on 10/11/2007, -38/+84Wait Bin Laden actually exists? I thought he was made up and fake like Santa.
- CannedMango, on 10/11/2007, -13/+56And ***** anyone who tries to keep the population ignorant of the realities of the world so that they can say and do whatever they want. The truth hurts for sure, but it's better to start healing now so our grandchildren don't have to deal with this absolute *****.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+43In case anyone is wondering -- this is the video clip in question. http://youtube.com/watch?v=sk334TbliaY
- ShadySpace, on 10/11/2007, -5/+46The biggest problem with our country is perfectly summed up in the above headline: "Why did Osama Bin Laden attack America? Let's find out..." nearly 6 years later. The vast, vast majority of Americans have no idea who we are fighting or why beyond a mispronounced name of an individual or group and they have no problem with that whatsoever.
- mellon, on 10/11/2007, -10/+50Er, we /have/ been bombing Iraq for ten years. It didn't start with the most recent war. None of which makes bin Laden's frothing sound any more reasonable, but you have to give Ron Paul points for telling it like it is.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -48/+83I don't buy Bin Laden's puported reasons. Bin Laden couldn't give a rats ass about the Palestinians. It's just a rationalization for the real reasons muslim fundamentalists hate the west. Islam is waging a losing battle against the lure of western culture - movies, music, fashion, etc. Islam is slowly being marginalized and undermined by their own people embracing western ideas. Bin Laden's reasons are cultural, not military.
- canewediggit, on 10/11/2007, -9/+43sandus- paul used the iraq example as one piece of the foreign policy failure. he also mentioned our work in iran which you conveniently left out.
i'm wondering why nobody is calling rudy out on claiming to be a "survivor" of 9/11. last i checked, he wasn't in the towers, or the neighborhood. i find this extremely insulting to the real survivors, and more importantly, the deceased. - swrostmore, on 10/11/2007, -5/+39no *****, sherlock. nobody is saying they were justified, they are saying there are actual reasons, however unjust, beyond "they hate our freedom"
- Sterango, on 10/11/2007, -15/+49"(6) Sixthly, we call upon you to end your support of the corrupt leaders in our countries. Do not interfere in our politics and method of education. Leave us alone, or else expect us in New York and Washington."
"Leave us alone". How hard is that?
I completely see Osama's side of most of the arguement as to why they are attacking the USA, we are nosy busy bodies and deserve it. Most of America doesn't understand or care to understand the depth of the situation as to how this all started, all they care about is if they have a towel ont heir heads, they're evil, kill em!
I think if every American was sat down and mandatorily given a history lesson as to what has been going down for years, then asked "So if the tables wree turned and you lived in a nation of Islam, what would YOU do?", they'd see where Osama was coming from.
The only thing I don't agree with is Osama saying he wants us to come to Islam, and change our morals around, blah blah blah. Sorry no thanks.
What should happen is the President of the USA should just say"OK look, we will leave Islam nations alone, you do what you want, but no we're not converting to Islam, you have to respect we are our own nation and we will do our thing over here, you guys do your thing over there, case closed."
How hard is that? - InetRoadkill, on 10/11/2007, -14/+47Ron Paul really hit a nerve by exposing the root cause of why terrorists have targeted the US. Let's face it: Our foreign policy is dominated by greed, arrogance and self-interest rather than diplomacy or justice. It seems that the nerve that Ron Paul hit was so sensitive that the GOP is trying to throw him out of any future debates.
http://thesaloon.net/blog/_archives/2007/5/16/2954977.html
The truth really does hurt and the GOP doesn't like the idea that someone's suggesting that the idea of "our ***** don't stink" might not be true. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -10/+42@Sandus:
But the US has been lobbing missiles into Iraq and it's allies for more than 15 years now -- perhaps you should become more acquainted with overall history before making broad generalizations. Perhaps war was never declared -- but it wasn't declared in the most recent invasion, either. (Nor in Gulf I )
Granted, in the subheading, I generalized "Iraq" to "Foreign Policy" -- but Paul's intent was clear, as is evidenced by the youtube video posted a few comments down.
@Dregga:
I find i similarly dubious (Not Dubai, or Dubya-ous...) -- but the 9/11 commission bought his argument, in principle, and I certainly haven't the time nor the resources to conduct a similarly thorough, unbiased investigation. - Casedot, on 10/11/2007, -27/+58that letter is such a crock of *****. He makes it apparent (among other things) that his goal is to bring Islam to America and anyone who defies it will be killed. If that isn't worth fighting against I don't know what it.
yea so we bombed their country, but what happens when we stop? They will have an easier time getting over here instead of defending themselves to wipe out the "non-believers". It's cultist ***** and I don't feel a wink of remorse. Call us Satan, whatever, it doesn't matter because in America people are not stoning others to death in the street from believing in a different invisible man.
he talks about honor and piety yet their women are forced to cover themselves or be punished. Yeah, very pious. x
he wants to bring us back 400 years because some old book written when people still feared the sun tells him to... ridiculous. - julc, on 10/11/2007, -8/+35That is an extremely simplistic reduction you have made using very broad and disconnected facts -- not to mention, selective facts. Did it occur to you that Christian Americans have killed countless people or that the Jews in Israel are killing MORE Palestinians on behalf of their own religious standpoint? Furthermore, do you know anything about Islam? What about the history of US foreign policy in the middle east? I thought not.
There is nothing in Islam itself that promotes mass violence. However, religion is not, nor can EVER be, separated from the region that interprets it. People are shaped by what is going out in their daily lives - religion is one way for people to give meaning to those experiences. The question should be, what has happened that many people have begun to interpret Islam and world politics in such a way?
Living in the US, it is so easy to ignore the ramifications of US policy. We are well fed and safe - who cares? However, if your own family is struggling and hungry because of a major sanction...or if you have lived through centuries of racist foreign policy...or if you see those with whom you identify with being sided AGAINST for no reason other than the fact that they are "brown," you might get pretty mad! Might look at idiot posters on Digg that obviously know nothing about reality but yet denigrate you, your faith, and your people. What happens then? People get mad and look for answers and justify them in any way. Then, religion becomes militant.
I am in NO WAY justifying what Bin Laden did. It was cruel and cowardly. However, I'm not an ignorant ***** American that will turn on my patriotic blinders and blame some imaginary "Middle Eastern Fanaticism." World politics are not so simple. Religion is not so simple. Treating it in such a way has lead to the awful situation in which we are still stuck in. - Loonacy, on 10/11/2007, -8/+35Thanks for that. I can't believe how much applause Rudy got after saying his bit.
- Maninthemiddle, on 10/11/2007, -6/+32@ masamunecyrus
In his state of the union in 1825, he said:
"The constant maintenance of a small squadron in the Mediterranean is a necessary substitute for the humiliating alternative of paying tribute for the security of our commerce in that sea, and for a precarious peace, at the mercy of every caprice of four Barbary States, by whom it was liable to be violated."
As I posted earlier, John Adams and Jefferson were told in no uncertain terms that American and European ships were subject to attack and enslavement because - they were not Islamic nations and had not submitted to Islam.
I have a long list of things that I wish we had done differently - but pointing to specific trip points as sole cause of the aggression toward us is historically incorrect at best, and a fallacious attempt deceive at worst. - Maninthemiddle, on 10/11/2007, -14/+37Not that Iraq may have (and does provide) an insentive, but... eventually folks of all political persuasions - left, right, or good ole maninthemiddle, will understand that these people want us subdued or dead.
This was so before GWB, before Clinton, all the way (in our case) back to Thomas Jefferson. In 1785, Jefferson and John Adams had a meeting with Tripoli’s ambassador to London to try to resolve the reason for American ships being attacked. Up to 1.5 million Americans and Europeans had been enslaved. When they asked why the United States - which was too young to have earned their enmity - was targeted, they were told:
“It was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
We don't have to do a thing to be hated or attacked.
It is why everyone must vocally support true moderate Muslims, and oppose fanatics in sheeps clothing. - canewediggit, on 10/11/2007, -21/+44he hates us for our indoor plumbing!
seriously, would you want to crap in a cave? what's he wiping with? - thegetch1, on 10/11/2007, -11/+32I'd like to throw something out there. This might be long, but you may find it interesting.
Is it possible the Bin Laden understands how our Western liberalized world works better than us? Is it possible that he wrote this knowing that we would read it and we would say, ah ha, that's why? Is it possible that we are actually listening to a guy who's rhetoric is similar to Hitler? Let's see:
Let's see how other mad-men did it. Hitler signed a peace treaty saying no more after Czech. "Peace in our day" was declared. Woops, kinda had WWII didn't we. Also similar to how North Korea signed that suspension of nuclear work under Clinton and then, woops, just kidding we just tested a nuke underground. Similar to how Iran says that it doesn't have any nukes and then says, woops, wait a minute we want to wipe Israel off the map.
Is it possible that Bin Laden read up on our history, something we didn't do. We pulled out of Vietnam because we lost our will. We pulled out of Somalia because we lost our will. We pulled out of Lebanon because we lost our will. Sure, he was surprised when we actually did something in response to 9/11 and invaded Afghanistan, but look where we are now. Debating whether or not to give up this war on terrorism. This kind of talk is exactly what Bin Laden wants. He wants us to give up and acquiesce to his demands, sign a few treaties. Google treaty of hudaibiya and find out what Bin Laden is really going for.
Let's now take a look at a part his writing that people are conveniently overlooking. After all his talk about us doing this, us doing that, what is the first thing he wants us to do? Anyone? Yes, that's right convert to Islam. Now this isn't nice missionary conversion, giving Bibles and telling you how great our religion is. It is convert or die, take a look at some other Islamist writings, especially Sayyid Qutb. They want the complete destruction of anything that isn't their brand of Islam, even moderate Muslims. What group of people has been killed the most by Islamic terrorism. Americans, British, French? Nope, Muslims. Islamists have killed more Muslims than any other group of people.
Last point, thanks for keeping with me. The whole US imperialism thing is way overblown. Think I'm crazy. Listen to this. There are two aspects of us that Bin Laden dislikes: our military and our culture in the Middle East. First, the military. Besides the invasion of Iraq, which came after Somalia, Kenya, Tanzania, Lebanon, the US Cole, our military was in the Middle East at the sole permission of the Arab states. If Saudi Arabia or Turkey said get out, sure we would whine, but we would get out. I do remember that Turkey didn't allow us to use their airspace for the Iraq invasion in 2003, and we obliged. If we were really were imperialist, we would say screw you and do it anyway. Second, our culture. Arabs are eating Big Macs, talking on cell phones, going to Hollywood movies, not because we force it on them, because they BUY them, duh. If there was no market for our culture, us as hardcore capitalist definitely would not be there.
So, let's stop listening to a person whose ideology is nothing more than another manifestation of totalitarianism and kick its ass like we did to Nazism and Communism. You may now commence the digging down :) - Gaki, on 10/11/2007, -6/+26You, sir, are a *****. An ignorant, backwards *****, but a ***** all the same.
1. Read a detailed history on your country and not just the rah, rah patriotic crap that passes for history in your textbooks these days. The US has backed, supplied and trained dictators worldwide for over half a century. There is even a special school (The School of the Americas) where they trained said dictators in counterinsurgency, i.e. how to best keep your own people under your thumb. Saddam himself was a graduate. A great place to start would be with the United Fruit Company, which was the CIA front in South America for years.
A perfect example - Iran. Democratic. Secular. Prosperous. The US deposes the democratically elected leader in 1954 in response to said leader nationalizing the oil, then replaces him with the Shah and his dreaded secret police. After two decades of living under the Shah, the people rise up and put the Ayatollah in power because ANYTHING is better than the Shah. Can you even follow the links well enough to realize that if the US had left well enough alone, Iran wouldn't be where it is today?
Closer to home - find me a country in North America (or that ever had holdings in North America) that hasn't been attacked by the US. I dare you.
3. We don't have to go back too far to see where your "religion of hate" argument falls apart. Why was Israel created? Because the US (among others) wouldn't open up its borders to the displaced Jews from Europe. Christian persecution of European Jews was legendary and we are only a few centuries removed from very bloody persecutions of various Christian sects (Albigensians, Hussites, Puritans) by larger, more established sects in Europe. The US was founded by Puritans fleeing certain death in Europe. Need I go into the Crusades and many examples of Christian bloodthirstiness found there, such as massacring every last man, woman and child in Jerusalem? Heck, in one Crusade, the Christians couldn't even wait to start the killing and took Constantinople instead - killing thousands of fellow Christians in the process. Many of the "child armies" in Africa right now are nominally Christian. White South Africans are Christian, too, and we don't need to go into how lovely they were during Apartheid. Oh ... that brings up the southern slave owners, most of whom were Christian, too, and proud of it. The KKK is nominally a Christian organization.
Oh, and that example of Indonesia ... East Timor is predominantly Catholic and was invaded by Suharto in the 1980s. That seems like it would support your argument ... but it was the US that armed, trained and supported Suharto in the first place. I guess Muslims killing Catholics is pretty good business for those Christians back in the States, right? - nosecohn, on 10/11/2007, -2/+21OK, the guy's clearly delusional... he believes that Americans actually KNOW what their government is doing abroad!
- d00ley, on 10/11/2007, -3/+21 Why Hasn’t Rudy Giuliani Read the 9-11 Commission Report?
May 16, 2007
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
ARLINGTON, VA – During the "First in the South" GOP debate in South Carolina last night, one thing was made clear: Rudy Giuliani does not understand how to keep America safe.
When Congressman Ron Paul, who has long served on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, explained how 50 years of American interventionism in the Middle East has helped compromise our national security, Giuliani interrupted saying he had "never heard anything so absurd." This statement is particularly troubling coming from the former mayor who tries to cast himself as a security expert, since Dr. Paul's point comes directly from the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission Report.
"Rudy Giuliani has tip-toed around the issues of abortion, guns and marriage. The only issue he has left is security, and he doesn't even get that right," said campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "It is clear from his interruption that former Mayor Giuliani has not read the 9-11 Commission Report and has no clue on how to keep America safe." - withears, on 10/11/2007, -6/+24This just reinforces the argument that the ONLY thing Giuliani did re: 9/11, was cry on television. Somehow, Giuliani's tears have been equated with "leadership." I guess when you live in America in a time without a real leader, anything that rises above the lies of the Bush administration equates (in the minds of some) to "leadership."
Here's a clue - Giuliani is no leader. He is a scoundrel. Hillary sent him packing once before, she'll do it again. - Maninthemiddle, on 10/11/2007, -10/+27Ever heard of oil for food?
$65 billion in oil sales, $46 billion is funds for relief purchases, $10.1 billion for Sadaam's pocket...
The ONLY reason for Iraqis to starve, was their leader. He once said he needed 3 million Iraqis for his purposes, and the rest could be disposed of as he saw fit.
Hate Bush, hate the war, but not because of this - it was all Sadaam. - knomevol, on 10/11/2007, -2/+19When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -12/+28@Loonacy7:
Yes -- that's perhaps the most chilling part. The public wants ignorant warmongering over statesmanship, it would seem.
(Although I wasn't present in South Carolina and audio levels are easily adjustable, one could conclude that this is broadcast bias almost as easily) -- I simply wish this explanation were more plausible. - popothebright, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19Yeah, but lets be realistic here people. America "runs" on oil. Cheap oil, to be specific. We're not just over there messin' with people because we're jerks. We're out there in the forest hunting for oil. Now you might not like what we do over there, but here's the question you need to look deep inside and ask yourself: Are you ready for $9 gasoline?
And don't give me some Ethanol answer because that's a pipedream that doesn't scale to the numbers we need it to.
There's a reason the world is the way it is. And I'm all for changing it since I live in a city, and haven't ever owned a car in my life.. But keep in mind: Change the middle east and you change America in ways you can't imagine. - luvs2spooge, on 10/11/2007, -10/+25This morning I was listening to Laura Ingram on the radio (sick I know). I didn't watch the debate myself but I listened to her summary of it. She mentioned Ron Paul only once in reference to his attacking American foreign policy at present and Giuliani's response to it. She had nothing but praise for Giuliani. It was really pathetic to hear her talk about our foreign policy like it was some sort of glorious achievement.
She also praised all the candidates who said they would use military force instead of diplomacy in the event that the United States was attacked again. Cause, ya know... that's always worked out for us in the past (and present). - blaze4metal, on 10/11/2007, -10/+25That Fox News audience was planted with supporters of Bush and neo-conservative values. Everytime Rudy opened his mouth he got an applause. What else would you expect from Fox?
- bnoj13, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17@Rhino2
its Ollie.
not "Ali", Ollie. Ollie Williams.
Sorry, that's just been bothering me in the other few posts you put it in. Speaking of which, they aren't funny at all. - canewediggit, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16but we don't go around claiming we were 'survivors'. i'm a native ny'er that's jewish, can i claim to be a 'survivor' of the holocaust and 9/11 even though i wasn't in nyc on 9/11 or alive during the holocaust? if it works for rudy, it should work for me. and by the way, dr. dre isn't really a doctor.
- DeskFlyer, on 10/11/2007, -7/+20Remind me never to ask you out to dinner.
- betacmag4u, on 10/11/2007, -15/+27Why isn't Bin Laden attacking Sweden?
- Hobofuzz, on 10/11/2007, -15/+27The Palestinians had every right to attack Israel. The palestinians had their country stolen from them by Israel, which then went on and, against UN mandates, took land that wasn't even given to them. If you think Israel is the victim here, you are sadly mistaken.
- apollyon, on 10/11/2007, -5/+17And this is Ron Paul's response: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF3NtEWj6ws
It is sad to see the applause Guiliani got. For far too long America's population has been turning into a nation of idiots. I'm afraid that the movie "idiocracy" may not be too far from the truth, at least for America in about 50 years.
If America does not change, if Ron Paul or a man with Ron Paul's courage to stand up and take a serious look at what's really wrong with America, if a man like that does not become president... then I fear for America and America's future. - misfit410, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14"Why does Osama not hate Canada or Denmark or Japan for their freedom? Oh yeah, they do not have semi-permanent bases in the Middle East, bomb Iraq for a decade, putting countries in an axis of evil, and rattle their sabers at Iran every third speech (for Cheney, every speech). "
You need to get your head out of your ass and try to know what you are talking about before speaking. Denmark is damned near over-run by Militant Islam. Women are attacked in the streets for not following Shariah Law. You remember those Cartoons from "Denmark" that caused the big stir last year? they were drawn for a reason.
They don't need to hate Denmark for thier freedom, they hate them because they draw cartoons!!!! -
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