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- SSPink, on 11/07/2008, -1/+24Yeah, there is a really simple answer: Because they are.
- thenekkidtruth, on 11/07/2008, -0/+21Q. Why did Fox throw Palin under the bus yesterday? A. Because Fox are the CorporateCon faction (along with Giuliani, Romney) and they're in a Civil War with the Theocon faction (Prop 8, Palin, Huckabee). The GOP is not only eating their own - it's open aggression against their own lol !
Although I've heard it was coming for a couple of months now, this is the first naked incident I've actually witnessed. The first of many? - probably, but who really knows? But I simply can't buy enough gasoline to throw on THAT fire lol . . . - SSPink, on 11/07/2008, -0/+20This is the result of the "Reagan Revolution". The republican party decided to court the fundamentalist christians, they learned to talk the talk, but they never intended to walk the walk. The republicans had the power to fulfill their promises on abortion and on gay marriage, but they never did because they didn't really care about the issues and didn't want to lose the wedges that they had used so effectively to convince christians to vote against their own economic interests.
A predictable thing happened: The fundies started producing political leaders of their own. And now they want control of the party and the republican elitists are aghast because in reality, of course, the republican elite have nothing but contempt for the fundamentalist christians. These new republicans don't seem to understand that as a republican politician you are supposed to act like you understand the small town dullards, you are supposed to put them on a pedestal to make them feel special, but for god's sake, you aren't supposed to actually BE one of them!
So there is a struggle for control of the party; actually I should say the illusion of one. In the end the party elite will always control the party and they are left, in theory, with two options. In practice, one option is unacceptable to them and so is not an option at all: Hand the party over to the christian fundamentalists. This will not happen, the party elite won't even consider it, they can't let "those people" be in charge of the economy, in charge of their money. So what they will do is move toward the center and back to their roots: They will drop the interventionalist foreign policy that Reagan began and PNAC fell in love with, they will work for individual rights and freedoms, and they work for a smaller government with a balanced budget.
In other words, they will hopefully become a party that people with basic reasoning skills can support once again. - inactive, on 11/07/2008, -2/+22Jesus was abundantly clear about not using Christianity for political purposes.
- apastafarian, on 11/07/2008, -0/+17I'm about as far from religious belief as one can go, but I still like the idea behind this statement- "5. Build God’s kingdom through acts of mercy not political activism"
Maybe this election will mark a turning point for this country away from the fear that drives so many to the pulpit and back towards reason and education. - paintgrl, on 11/07/2008, -0/+17Sigh, I am really sick of religion.
- zenbud, on 11/07/2008, -0/+14If these neo-cons really believed in the Jesus they said they did, it would be a different world. Now that the gop party realizes people like the Caribou Barbie actually mobilized the Democrats and turned away real republicans - they'll try to craft a different sort of candidate. They don't care about the country, they just care about money and themselves.
- Shiloah, on 11/07/2008, -0/+13Your analysis is right on target. It was incredibly vain and naive of the fundamentalist faction to think the political powers of the day actually embraced their alternative worldview. Their naivete made them an easy mark in the Republican bid for single issue voters. This foolishness started in the days of Reagan, and its last consequence is the desolation of the Republican Party we see today.
As bad as this is for politics, it is even worse for the church. The church's willingness to go hand-in-hand with Caligula is the quintessential mark of the Biblical antichrist, which scripture defines as an adulterous marriage of politics and religion.
Yet, there have always been a few worldly-wise social-action oriented dissenters within evangelicalism who warned against this course. They actually read their Bibles. They found the place where Jesus said, "My kingdom is NOT of this world". And they believed it. - thenekkidtruth, on 11/07/2008, -0/+13Excellent analysis, SSPinks. And it'll be a Battle Royale too, because the CorporateCons won't give up their money and the Bible Thumpers are convinced they have God on their side and they finally see that the Corporatists have done less than nothing for them.
Which is why if there's one thing I might see differently it's the possibility that the "party elite" really may not hold it together. Maybe, maybe not. It might be an Ultimate Fighting Death Match. - stonecircle, on 06/11/2009, -1/+10Nope!
- inactive, on 11/07/2008, -0/+9Did Christianity exist while Jesus was alive?
- inactive, on 11/07/2008, -0/+5Yes, I really believe that this historic election means that people in the U.S. are NOT afraid. This is a beautiful moment. They tried SO hard to scare people about Obama, and we elected him anyway! FEAR DIDN'T WORK THIS TIME (finally).
The lack of fear in the electorate could be a catalyst for great things to come. :) I'm optimistic for the first time in YEARS. - EnviroChem, on 05/22/2009, -0/+5For those of you commenting based on the title of this post alone, take time to actually read the article. It is actually quite good and very thoughtful.
- wonderchemist, on 11/07/2008, -1/+5Do not confuse religion with the people who do things in a name of religion.
- Batfishy, on 11/07/2008, -0/+4atom
You might be right but lets face it - the woman was clearly not up to the job and it took the liberals I know about 5 minutes to see it. She did mobilize some of the Democratic base because she scared so many of us. - inactive, on 11/07/2008, -0/+4But I don't think you can be "leader of the free world" if you don't know very basic things about "the world." You know? I don't mean that to be harsh on her. I think she could have a future in national politics if she decides to muster up the intellectual curiosity needed to lead a nation, and she's got a lot to learn.
- texasred54, on 11/08/2008, -0/+4I consider myself a Christian. But, I've separated from the "religion" of most Christians. I've actually spent a great deal of time studying the Bible prophecy. And, I consider all these people harking on about Obama and prophecy uniformed and nut jobs.
I voted for Obama. I voted for peace and compassion. I voted for all people and all religions. - Shiloah, on 11/07/2008, -1/+4These people are not necessarily unintelligent, no more than any other group anyway, but how incredibly childishly Palinesquely NAIVE of them to think, counter to all scripture and reason, that the political powers of this world actually embraced or even respected their Bible-based alternative world-view! Equating stupid with naive, I fully agree with you.
- dhbk2, on 11/08/2008, -1/+4Stupid is as stupid does.
- inactive, on 11/08/2008, -0/+3What I really meant instead of Christianity was, His teachings.
My bad. - paintgrl, on 11/08/2008, -0/+2Well I don't agree that it is a religious right thing, more like Romney and others wants to be the head of the GOP and Plain is very popular with the GOP base. So they have started their smear campaigns against her to grab power.
I wish it was a fight to dump the religious right, but if you listen to them it isn't. The GOP is convinced that people voted against them because of out of control spending and not the social platforms they support. - youliveinfear, on 11/07/2008, -0/+2glad to have done my part.
- Batfishy, on 11/07/2008, -0/+2Joe did stay stupid things. I have, too. I have yet to know someone who hasn't.
That's not what I disliked about her. It was everything she purported to be and her apparent belief that a hockey mom can lead a country and we woman would go for it! As if we vote for skirts. It was the way she spoke, what she had to say to rally her base, her incessant lying, her ignorance of the power of the internet, her misuse of words like marxism and socialism, her mean-spirited-ness, her laughing at community organizing, and her utter disdain for most Americans. Sarah is just plain ugly on the inside and shouldn't lead anything. Even Alaska. - Shiloah, on 11/07/2008, -0/+2The Palin nomination also irritated some conservative Republican women who were offended by her folksy anti-intellectualism and religious extremism. McCain was barely tolerable to these women and Palin pushed the ticket over the line in the wrong direction. Men, of course, were also offended by the same traits, but I think there was also a gender-specific dynamic that bothered more than a few women.
- paintgrl, on 11/08/2008, -0/+2Good for you. To bad you are not the face of the Religious right, they could use an attitude like yours.
- paintgrl, on 11/08/2008, -0/+2Religion is and always will be a way to control the unwashed masses. Individual faith or belief in a god are separate. I have read to much history to respect or trust religion.
- Shiloah, on 11/07/2008, -0/+2Excuse me???
Strange as it may seem, I did in fact change my registration, during lunch hour today. They say I should get a new card in a week or so. I also renewed my driver license and vehicle registration because it all came due on my birthday twelve days ago. Okay? - digitronix, on 11/08/2008, -0/+2Of course it did. Jesus taught Christianity.
- inactive, on 11/08/2008, -0/+2Did Jesus consider himself the son of God? Did he consider himself "Christ" - Christos - Greek for "annointed one"?
- Batfishy, on 11/07/2008, -0/+2Atom - she lied about the bridge, her clothes and troopergate so far. She looked the American people in the eyes and said she was ready to lead and she doesn't even know geography. She lied about her opponents positions. She is a liar.
Her twang didn't bother me, but I wouldn't exactly call her articulate. - inactive, on 11/11/2008, -0/+1Re: My earlier comment about Jesus making it patently clear that we should not mix Christianity and politics, what I was thinking and should have said was, "His teachings" rather than Christianity. I figured most would understand that tacitly, and overlook the obvious fact that Christianity didn't exist as a religion until after His Crucifixion and Resurrection. My bad....I'll try to be more historically accurate next time around.
- Shiloah, on 11/07/2008, -1/+2They're forming a circular firing squad.
- blakecr, on 11/07/2008, -0/+1I blame Paul.
- Shiloah, on 11/07/2008, -0/+1atomheartmother, you wrote "Shiloah, isn't that an Obama emblem by your name? How would you know what offends conservative women?"
For one thing, I'm married to one and I witnessed her conversion from McCain to Obama in real time as we listened to Palin's speech. Also, I've been involved in Republican politics since the Nixon days and have been a Republican from then until just a couple of hours ago, when I went to the county courthouse and changed my registration. So I've been pretty well connected to Republicans, men and women, through the years. But I'm not talking about ALL conservative Republican women, just a certain demographic, as I tried to make clear. - Shiloah, on 11/08/2008, -1/+2Thanks, but I don't vote 3rd Party. The process is far from perfect but I do not believe 3rd Party votes are the solution.
- digitronix, on 11/08/2008, -1/+1But voting for the Republocrats is.
- atomheartmother, on 11/09/2008, -0/+0Come on, Batfishy. She didn't "lie" about the bridge, her clothes, and she was cleared of anything regarding troopergate- a day before the election, conveniently. You need to stop treating HuffPost articles as serious journalism.
- atomheartmother, on 11/07/2008, -1/+0I have to part company with you there, Batfishy... I don't know anything that she "lied" about, and though she was painted as "ugly on the inside" by the media, I'm not buying it. As far as community organizing, hey that's an admirable undertaking, but in terms of preparing anyone to "lead a country," it's about as laughable as being a hockey mom (she's a Governor too, BTW)
The Alaska twang did grate on me though, I'm with you there.
Oh, and Shiloah, isn't that an Obama emblem by your name? How would you know what offends conservative women? - atomheartmother, on 11/07/2008, -1/+0I have to agree with you there... she was not ready to take the reigns of the Presidency. That said, she did appear to be a quick study, and unless McCain assumed room temperature on day one she wasn't going to have to. As to her qualifications for VP, do they really even do anything? I know that many on the left think Cheney was the evil mastermind, but the only thing I really ever saw him do was shoot that lawyer in the face.
- atomheartmother, on 11/07/2008, -1/+0I'll concede that it might have mobilized some Democrats, but it mobilized far more Republicans. Let's face it, in the end most Democrats were coming out this year anyway. As to her not being up to the job, look at Joe Biden... with all of his experience, he said some incredibly naive and foolish things. And, Jimmy Carter, acknowledged to be a very intelligent man, had a largely ineffective Presidency. Not saying Palin's a rocket scientist, but sometimes effective leadership is more related to leadership skills than worldly knowledge.
- atomheartmother, on 11/07/2008, -1/+0Uh huh... and I was a Democrat until just now too.
- digitronix, on 11/08/2008, -3/+1Chuck Baldwin has been just as critical of the Christian Right. You should have voted for him for president.
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin417.ht ... - atomheartmother, on 11/07/2008, -3/+0" Now that the gop party realizes people like the Caribou Barbie actually mobilized the Democrats and turned away real republicans - they'll try to craft a different sort of candidate."
This is nonsense... the Democrats were already mobilized, and the Republican base wasn't. Palin got the base excited, and drew huge crowds- much bigger than McCain's. Without a real conservative on the ticket the beat down would have been much worse, and the reason McCain's aides are trashing her now is simple- they need a scapegoat for his loss.
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