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- kenvsryu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+147George if you need a gmail invite I have one. Infinity plus one capacity, no need to delete.
- bcasper1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+130When the ***** can we get these crooks out of Washington?!
- wtfersk8s, on 10/12/2007, -3/+119How much more does it take to impeach this guy?
- Anonymously, on 10/12/2007, -2/+90The White House has the NSA and other government agencies scanning emails and monitoring phone calls of U.S. citizens, without a warrant and in violation of Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution, but at the same time, they're deleting millions of emails that they are required by law to retain under the Presidential Records Act.
I feel safer already! - heavensblade23, on 10/12/2007, -2/+60Monolith2: Come on, you buy that excuse? I don't. They were deliberately skirting the email archiving. You just don't go "Whoops I lost 5 million emails over the course of several years" unless that was your intent all along. Oh, and by the way, we were ignoring our own guidelines for how email communications should be handled.
- neoform, on 10/12/2007, -4/+56>No. They used the RNC email system to keep political stuff separate from public stuff (which they used the white house email system for). Why? Because its required BY LAW that the white house equipment not be used for political purposes. Way to twist the circumstances here and try to turn this into some sort of giant scandal.
Nice try, they've already shown that those email systems were being used for political/work purposes. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+50Thanks, President Traitor!
Nothing like knowingly circumventing policies put into place to ensure transparancy and accountability!
Seriously, who supports these scumbags?
Right wingers, THIS is what you want from a government? Can't you guys see you are cheering for the scumbags? - MarkCiccone, on 10/12/2007, -7/+49But Bush and his administration NEED to be able to delete these emails, they are for our protection! If we saw what was really going on, if we saw the lies they were telling us, why, we'd want to throw all of them out! We can't have that, America can't have that!
- wonderchemist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41I'm sure they won't.
- neoform, on 10/12/2007, -4/+42"How much more does it take to impeach this guy?"
Republicans to wake up and vote to impeach.
People who blame pelosi or the democrats for not impeaching are blaming the wrong people. they'd do it if they could get republicans on board and vote in favor. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+40Hey, that's a really good point. If these emails went over AT&T network lines, the NSA probably has a copy!
BTW, given that the administration lies about everything else, the chances that the emails are, as of today, actually deleted are not that high. There should be backups, and even drives with recoverable information on them, if only the FBI would look. - Misogyny, on 10/12/2007, -3/+34Monolith,
Have you forgotten WHY congress is asking for these emails? - Misogyny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31We are talking about the same administration that "lost" several billion dollars in cash...
- silvaran, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27@theheadguy
"Hey Monolith, What LAW would that be you ***** right wing nutjob? Back up your statement right here, right NOW."
Monolith is incorrect, but on a different issue than you seem to think. They WERE in fact using the RNC e-mail system for white house purposes. In terms of that law to which you allude does not exist, "The Hatch Act of 1939 is a United States federal law whose main provision is to prohibit federal employees (civil servants) from engaging in partisan political activity."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatch_Act_of_1939
Sorry to have to do your homework for you. And here's why Monolith is incorrect, from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2007/04/12/BL2007041200941.html:
"But when I asked Stanzel to read out loud the White House e-mail policy, it seemed clear enough to me: 'Federal law requires the preservation of electronic communications sent or received by White House staff,' says the handbook that all staffers are given and expected to read and comply with." - h3smith, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27You can't "lose" what you delete.
- chicoer2001, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28I'm sure the FBI can find them
- marix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23Once upon a time there were 18 minutes of audio track missing from this one tape, I think 5 million emails is comparable.
- cambob76, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23And why the hell is Bush not being impeached? What is going to be the final straw? He's giving a big "f*ck you" to everyone.
- theheadguy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+29"No. They used the RNC email system to keep political stuff separate from public stuff (which they used the white house email system for). Why? Because its required BY LAW that the white house equipment not be used for political purposes. Way to twist the circumstances here and try to turn this into some sort of giant scandal." - Monolith2
Hey Monolith, What LAW would that be you ***** right wing nutjob? Back up your statement right here, right NOW. - Sil369, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Ctrl + Z
- armyofbees, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23the bush white house: you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
- fuzzmeister, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18They say they are getting "computer experts" to work on recovering the files. Does anyone seriously believe that if an incriminating email comes up, they won't just delete it? Someone needs to get a hold of these servers ASAP.
- gwinerreniwg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15I have a feeling the reason Bush has spent so much time "on vacation" at his home in Crawford, was because he was able to meet in secret, with no incriminating recordings. I'd like to know exactly how much government business was conducted unmonitored at the second Whitehouse in Crawford.
- jamessavik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14George:
SysAdmin available. 20+ years experience in network management including secure email, encrypted web services and firewalls. NEVER LOST A FILE. ALL PROJECTS ON TIME, UNDER BUDGET. Top Secret clearance major govt lab: 1986-1990.
Will fix your problem: $3,500,000 - grendel59, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Does anyone believe they "lost" those emails?
- saska, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Why worry about the servers? You can bet a bunch of racketeering Republican senators still have copies of e-mail on their RNC-issued laptops just in case they need to call in a favor from somebody. What they NEED to do is send the FBI in to unceremoniously collect the laptops. Of course, the FBI won't do that because they're really busy surveilling potential criminals in the American populace at large. And if congress yaps about it long enough, the e-mails really *will* be deleted.
- specsaregood, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15@theheadguy
If you read the actual meaty article, not just the blog post you would find that he is probably referring to this:
"Hatch Act Excuse: The administration has claimed that Rove, Jennings and other staffers use RNC accounts to avoid violating the Hatch Act. This is untrue. The Hatch Act prohibits White House staff from using official resources for purely "political" purposes. "Political" refers to the president's role as either a candidate for office or as the leader of his party. Email communications regarding presidential appointments for U.S. Attorney and Interior Department positions clearly fall within the PRA as making appointment is an official presidential function and does not relate to the president's role as party leader."
http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/27603 - waterboy1628, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Who would let Republicans be in charge of dealings with technology.
That's like putting monkeys in charge of developing a program in C++. - ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Yeah, don't worry. I am sure someone found it.
- mikedoth, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13kenvsryu
Are you sure you want him as a friend in your Gmail IM list? - InfamousAtheist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Nope.
But the neocon apologists will make up every ***** excuse in the book to defend their precious administration.
/waits for the inevitable "Clinton did it!" - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10yeah just like the pentagon LOST 2.2 trillion dollars in 2001 and 2 trillion in 2002. They did, look it up.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10So, let me get this straight. We elected people to run the country, and since 911 they and their aides spend time in the White House sending 5 million emails on partisan matters to lock themselves further into power instead of spending the time making this country safer? Sounds fair to me.
- AaronS2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Wow, the "but Clinton" crowd is digressing to "but Gore" now... Only four months into the new term and so much has been uncovered. I can't wait to see what the next "20 months of hell" will reveal from the past 6 years of GOP supermajority. I would like to thank America for waking up a little bit in the last election. We all deserve a pat on the back for the attempt at repairing our current situation. Even republicans deserve a pat for not convincing enough people to sink in the USS Unaccountability.
- lemon67, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10There..... I mean...... Woops
- Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"FIVE MILLION sounds like enough for it to be a technical error, guys." Are you smoking something right now? xD
There is no kind of "technical error" that can selectively destroy a specific range of emails relating to specific events that are being scrutinized. - EricCiccone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@Monolith
5 Million > 90 days worth - understudy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15
Incompetence or cover-up? Either way...
_ - nonchai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Where is the Democrat equivalent of "Starr" ? how come Clinton nearly got impeached merely for lying about a blow job and this Bush guy is getting away with something vastly more sinister ?
- hcl40u, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Its also not a surprise that this isn't the first time something like this has happened. I wonder how many document shredding machines do they use...
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/04/12/lost_documents/index.html - theheadguy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Thanks for the "homework"... I am so tired of right wing nutjobs making statements that are most of the time not true. For more info see here: http://www.osc.gov/ha_fed.htm#may
So, this little alternate e-mail system is not flying. They can't even be in a government office doing this, period, let alone just having to use a different e-mail system. - anachronaut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Well, Monolith2 already gave it the old college try with his "B-b-but Gore did it in the Clinton era" statement. Pathetic.
- bjornski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7And they set up those e-mails and blackberries so that their political planning wouldn't be recorded on a public machine.
So the RNC basically had an entire separate computer network IN the white house to avoid scrutiny.
Naw, nothing going on there. - conna, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Another reason to fire the filth in the white house. The administration is a disgrace to the people of the United States.
- lilypads, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8wow that is just completely and utterly ridiculous.
Clinton gets a bj and is impeached, Bush ***** over the country in countless ways and still has a fairly high approval rating?
anyone else see anything wrong with this? - smackhero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7yea, and at the same time neocons call Hugo Chavez a dictator because the Venezuelan parliament only recently gave him the power to make presidential decrees in certain areas of government much narrower than the scope of our own president's power of executive order (which he used to create the outright unconstitutional faith-based initiative).
- Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7So they hired forensic investigators to permanently destroy the emails and hard disks to make sure they are gone for good...oh whoops, i meant search for and retrieve the emails. "This will take some time. We have to sort through the emails to determine which ones can be destroyed and let our staff steal the hard disks if they can't successfully be destroyed"-WH
- drmobutu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Didn't the Patriot Act have a provision requiring the retention of ALL emails?
Something about National Security Letters...? - stepnw1f, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Sorry to let you down, but it looks pretty deliberate. I guess a jury will have to decide in the end. All in time though...
- edgeoforever, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Maybe bus should look for them under his bed like he did with the WMDs to amuse his swooning propaganda press...
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