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- inactive, on 05/11/2009, -9/+84Can you say rope-a-dope? Obama is a master of it. Cheney has been out there, given plenty of rope and now he's about to hanged in the public square.
- mgraham80, on 05/11/2009, -6/+65No, you guys don't get it. Cheney just wants the special memo his office prepared released, which concludes that torture saved a billion lives and also prevented the unicorn extinction the Bush admin foresaw.
The CIA report is unreliable, you just have to take Cheney's word for it. - Hetman, on 05/11/2009, -8/+62It does not matter either way. Torture is wrong for any reason.
- paintgrl, on 05/11/2009, -9/+54Well I wonder what wonders ***** Cheney will try and spin after the release of this memo?
- jleopold, on 05/11/2009, -6/+48This report, by the way, states that the CIA inspector general believed that the interrogations violated the Geneva Conventions and in addition there is evidence that Cheney interfered with the preparation of the report's conclusions. I wrote about this report a couple of weeks ago. Here are some of the explosive findings:
http://www.pubrecord.org/torture/861-ex-cia-offici ...
According to a November 9, 2005 story in the New York Times published the same month 92 interrogation videotapes were destroyed, CIA Inspector General John Helgerson’s report “raised concern about whether the use of the techniques could expose agency officers to legal liability.”
"They said the report expressed skepticism about the Bush administration view that any ban on cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment under the treaty does not apply to CIA interrogations because they take place overseas on people who are not citizens of the United States," the Times reported. "The officials who described the report said it discussed particular techniques used by the CIA against particular prisoners, including about three dozen terror suspects being held by the agency in secret locations around the world.”
New Yorker reporter Jane Mayer reported that Helgerson’s report “known as a 'special review,' was tens of thousands of pages long and as thick as two Manhattan phone books. It contained information, according to one source, that was simply 'sickening.'"
“The behavior it described, another knowledgeable source said, raised concerns not just about the detainees but also about the Americans who had inflicted the abuse, one of whom seemed to have become frighteningly dehumanized. The source said, ‘You couldn't read the documents without wondering, 'Why didn't someone say, "Stop!'""
Mayer wrote that Vice President Dick Cheney stopped Helgerson from fully completing his investigation. That proves, Mayer contends, that as early as 2004 "the Vice President's office was fully aware that there were allegations of serious wrongdoing in The [interrogation] Program."
"Helgerson was summoned repeatedly to meet privately with Vice President Cheney" before his investigation was "stopped in its tracks." Mayer said that Cheney's interaction with Helgerson was "highly unusual." - Powerfan5000, on 05/11/2009, -6/+41Actually it was 27 billion American lives. Torture also converted 97% of the terrorists to Evangelical Christianity, and it's been shown to be effective at suppressing homosexual urges. Cheney also said that when Obama got elected he personally showed top Al Qaeda operatives around the Whitehouse, the Pentagon, and any other potential targets that the terrorists wanted to see. Afterwords he gave a brief Power Point on weaknesses in the American electric grids that would be easy to exploit. Of course, he used a Windows program for the presentation because Windows is not as secure as other OS's.
Also, Obama wants to take yer guns away! - JoeParanoid, on 05/11/2009, -8/+34But you know this won't have any effect on the Jiffymoms out there. They'll still believe whatever BS Cheney and "24" tell them. That's what creationism and climate change denying has wrought: people for whom cold hard facts mean nothing, who have left the reality-based community behind.
- seltaeb4, on 05/11/2009, -2/+27Look, people. Once and for all, we DIDN'T TORTURE ANYONE!!!111!!
The correct term is "Freedom Tickling." - Shagin, on 05/11/2009, -7/+25walk and chew gum much?
- scottknick, on 05/11/2009, -5/+22Prediction: Cheney will say that the report proves that torture was justified, regardless of whatever it does in fact say.
- Hetman, on 05/11/2009, -2/+18I take as many as I possible can afford. If you want to donate money so I can take more I am all up for that.
- inactive, on 05/11/2009, -0/+13have you seen him going out of his way to prosecute the war criminals? he hasn't been going after them enough, and cheney for some bizarre reason is doing this to himself. Who the ***** nows why, I'm sure there's some evil reason behind it.
- AngelaQ, on 05/11/2009, -6/+19The issue is that Cheney couldn't make himself think like Obama does. He thought that taunting them to release some inconsequential cyo memo that he wrote himself would result in their keeping the real data classified, not declassifying more of it.
- diggduggDOOM, on 05/11/2009, -2/+14"How hard would it be to hand select the reports that backup your claim?"
Are you talking about Cheney or Obama here? - Anomaly100, on 05/11/2009, -6/+17"Although some useful information was produced, the report concluded that “it is difficult to determine conclusively whether interrogations have provided information critical to interdicting specific imminent attacks,” according to the Justice Department’s declassified summary of it."
Whoops! Cheney: "foiled again!" - Hetman, on 05/11/2009, -1/+10Release them all anyone who knew the us was torturing deserves to be put on trial for war crimes.
- breadfred, on 05/11/2009, -4/+12Well, they were in power for the last 8 years. They were the ones making the decisions. They were the ones hiding the memo's. Why don't you go find a declassified Democratic report. Report back here, please.
- inactive, on 05/11/2009, -2/+10Why don't we just waterboard Cheney till he tells us the truths we want to hear. It worked for him it should work for us also.
- seltaeb4, on 05/11/2009, -2/+10Cheney: "And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
- enantiodromia, on 05/11/2009, -1/+8here is what you just said:
"As long as an administration doesn't get caught while in office breaking the law, it's fine by me"
Care to refute, or will you just digg me down and ignore the assertion? - piznut, on 05/11/2009, -1/+8"How hard would it be to hand select the reports that backup your claim?"
Yellow Cake? - PlusTheBear, on 05/11/2009, -2/+8It's ***** hilarious.
- pcpimpster, on 05/11/2009, -3/+9Torture me long enough and I'll tell everyone I ran right in front of that shotgun, it wasn't your fault... honest...
- enantiodromia, on 05/11/2009, -2/+8a/ i believe he was in fact partially elected to expose Bush & Co.'s corruption
b/ hand selecting "intelligence" by Bush is what got us into this debacle in the first place
c/ you don't seem to dispute that Cheney & Bush are guilty of crimes while attacking an investigation into the matter
how messed up are you? - Hetman, on 05/11/2009, -2/+7I do not believe torture protects Americans. I actually think it causes more violence and is a recruiting tool for terrorists. We must act as civlized as possible, if not we are barbarians just like they are.
- Mattwdj, on 05/11/2009, -6/+11BREAKING: Torture doesn't work!!!
...ooo wait I already knew that. - enantiodromia, on 05/11/2009, -1/+6is that reality, or your perception?
i don't for one minute assume you are up to date with what has and has not been declassified. - inactive, on 05/11/2009, -3/+8Wait and see.
- inactive, on 05/12/2009, -1/+6Make uppa you mind. Did Cheney see the memos and is lying to avoid prosecution or did he not see the memos and is lying to justify waterboarding? I know libs like to have it both ways, but hate makes you stoopid.
- Hetman, on 05/11/2009, -1/+5I agree. I am directing my outrage at anyone who supports torture. Regardless of there political stance.
- anxcaptain, on 05/11/2009, -4/+8its been an 8 year Rep circus, its going to be a fun ride. (makes a blow job look like nothing)
- piznut, on 05/11/2009, -2/+6Which plots were those? Links? Inquiring minds want to know.
- JoeParanoid, on 05/11/2009, -1/+5To a certain degree that's true. But, to quote the master: when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. This has gone from a cottage industry to Madison Ave.
- seltaeb4, on 05/11/2009, -3/+7Hopefully the minutes of Cheney's "Energy Task Force" are next.
- piieerrrree, on 05/11/2009, -2/+6rbiii, the white house is releasing them. that's what the article was about.
- seltaeb4, on 05/11/2009, -0/+4At least you're right about Windows...
:) - Hetman, on 05/11/2009, -1/+4What is going on?
- r250r, on 05/12/2009, -0/+3Remember that fire in Cheney's office? I wonder if we will ever find out what evidence they were trying to destroy...
- Lomstradamus, on 05/11/2009, -0/+3LOL!!!
Awesome! - southwestnut, on 05/12/2009, -1/+4Hmmmm, why not go nuts with articles about Pelosi claiming that "she never new anything about the torture" yet documents have been released that show that she was in meetings where the matte was discussed. Or would that just make you liberals look bad. You sure don't have to try hard to look like idiots that is for sure. If you are going to lynch people over this waterboarding thing, you have to go after Pelosi as well.
http://politicaldemotivation.files.wordpress.com/2 ...
http://pal2pal.com/BLOGEE/images/uploads/pelosi%2B ... - Skywise, on 05/11/2009, -3/+6Why doesn't Obama just release the 3 memos Cheney talked about instead of a completely different memo?
Of course, releasing a memo 3 years after the fact during a congressional upheval (read CYA) that says waterboarding didn't elicit any information is perfect 20/20 hindsight... - Thuktun, on 05/12/2009, -1/+4You've been peeking at FoxNews' script for next week.
- mrbuddy, on 05/12/2009, -0/+2It is time for BUSH, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzalez, Head of CIA three lawyers to be hauled into court::Now the shame is do they have to be tried seperately:If so lets get 9 court rooms and get started--special prosecutor team;;The drag out is silly:These guys need to HANG!! Need to be stripped of their pensions and all government perks for life::Or if we won't come on Spain--they are yours:: Congress is in the clear with regard to water boarding/some bill was passed that Congress didn't agree with water boarding!!I want to get on to the federal attorney cases and CARL Rove??Did he really leave the country with Gov. Blago??
- mrbuddy, on 05/12/2009, -0/+2Did you see Sunday morning CBS--we don't have to water board Cheney--he sang so nicely with gentle interrorgation by Bob Schaeffer!!!
- charlie6969, on 05/14/2009, -0/+2Poor Cheney. How hard it must be to have a closetful of skeletons and someone you hate is holding the key....
- ozydingo, on 05/11/2009, -7/+9Peronsally, I prefer my presidents to only consider one issue until it's "done," and consider nothing else in the meantime. Better choose that one issue wisely!
- MattB123, on 05/11/2009, -4/+6Nah, these people have always been around. It's just that creationism and climate change denial is their current rally cry.
- inactive, on 05/11/2009, -6/+8So, you're saying that the vice president of the United States did not know the results of interrogations? Lotsa luck pulling off THIS scam,Obama.
- Anomaly100, on 05/12/2009, -0/+2Bush: "Doh!"
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