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- kcbnac, on 10/12/2007, -9/+87From TFA:
" State police received a report from Thurber’s mother that he was threatening to kill his own family and the Muslim family.
She told police her son suffers from an “untreatable and undiagnosed mental health problem” that makes him delusional, according to court documents."
He's mentally ill - I wouldn't consider this "normal" by any means. Wackos go apes*** over random things. I'd call it a one-off incident. - Aeon53, on 10/12/2007, -87/+130Quote: 'her son suffers from an untreatable and undiagnosed mental health problem that makes him delusional'
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Christianity?? - soarin, on 10/12/2007, -52/+90That mental illness was caused by listening to too much Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter. Ann keeps saying "all liberals are traitors" and other things too retarded to repeat. You can find a lot of that type hanging around here.
- griz, on 10/12/2007, -20/+49>Quote: 'her son suffers from an untreatable and undiagnosed mental health problem that >makes him delusional'
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And it is alright to stereotype that all Christians are delusional why? - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+31I'm no fan of sensationalism in the press or our current government's propaganda, but are we seriously trying to blame them for causing crazy people to do stupid ***** now?
- ahsen74, on 10/12/2007, -10/+31On this particular website there is quite a bit of anti-Christian comments. But like omgitscolin stated, must of it is disagreement with the ideas, and not "Put them in concentration camps, deport them" etc etc
- HoboMaster, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22I like how one of the first comments to an article (ostensibly) about how we shouldn't bash one religion is to bash another religion. Do you people even listen to yourselves?
Then there's the fact that it's much more his insanity than any talk around him that's made him act this way. Yes, maybe his psychosis was directed at a specific group because of the talk, but fact is he's insane. That's just like blaming video games for crazy kids shooting people. They're just crazy. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25This isn't what a barrage of anti-Muslim rhetoric can lead to. This is what a psychosis can lead to. The story plainly states that he was ordered to undergo a mental health evaluation at the Vermont State Hospital.
- kent1146, on 10/12/2007, -9/+25"The most prevalent mental health problem is believing in gods in the first place. This is basically a mild to an extreme form of paranoid delusion."
Pile, I would normally agree with you, being an aethiest myself. However, I recently thought of something that makes me question my assumption that belief in gods is simply delusional.
Every civilization on the face of the earth has a belief system centered around beings of higher power. Every single one. And they all developed those belief systems independently of one anohter, in civilizations that had no outside contact.
Being a man that relies on logic, everything tells me that gods don't exist. But logic also tells me that if the history of humanity overwhelmingly believes in gods, and have developed those beliefs in every single civilization that ever touched this planet, maybe there is some basis to their beliefs? That certainly doesn't mean that I believe in a God in heaven, and Satan in hell, and homosexuality and abortion are devilcraft... certianly not... but I, for one, am beginning to believe that there is SOMETHING out there greater than what we currently know about ourselves. - martalli, on 10/12/2007, -10/+24I see plenty of anti-Muslim rhetoric, even on the supposedly liberal digg.
- ahsen74, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21@kcbnac
Interesting... the story was updated since I first read it. I archived the original story as I read it (a habit of mine). This is what I had read:
"A 32-year-old Guilford man has been arrested and accused of stalking and threatening to kill a family of Muslims that he believed were plotting a terrorist attack.
The family the man is accused of targeting lives in Dummerston and owns a Brattleboro business. Authorities said the man's suspicions are baseless.
Kyle A. Thurber was arrested Dec. 1 after waiting with a loaded rifle outside the workplace of two Muslim men, police said. Thurber, who has known the men for many years, told police they were terrorists planning to attack the United States.
Thurber apparently has been living out of his car in the Brattleboro area and is undergoing a mental health evaluation, said David Gartenstein, the deputy state's attorney for Windham County.
Thurber pleaded innocent Monday in Brattleboro District Court to two felony counts of aggravated stalking with a deadly weapon. He faces up to 10 years in prison and $50,000 in fines if convicted.
In court documents, Brattleboro Police accuse Thurber of stalking the family over a three-day period, beginning Nov. 29 when he allegedly gunned his car outside their residence in Dummerston, spinning the tires, and then drove on their driveway and lawn.
They told police Thurber stalked them again the next day at their Brattleboro business. Thurber confronted one of the men and said he wanted to talk with him and with his son; Thurber left "frustrated" after the man told him his son had called in sick, court documents state.
Employees of the business said Thurber had been waiting in the company's parking lot since 6:30 a.m. that day. The confrontation with Thurber occurred at about 10:30 a.m.
Fearing for his family's safety, the man hired an off-duty Brattleboro Police officer to guard the office and moved his family to a seasonal home in New Hampshire. Police said Thurber tried and failed to enter the business at about 10 a.m. Nov. 31. The doors had been locked. Police said that when they arrived to question Thurber, he told them he had a job interview.
Police searched his car and found a Remington 7600 rifle and ammunition, according to records.
Thurber told police members of the family, who are Palestinian, were plotting to blow up the north end of Brattleboro and possibly the Vermont Yankee nuclear power plant in Vernon. He said he was suspicious because they frequently spoke Arabic to each other.
Thurber told police he planned to assault family members but did not want to kill them because he didn't want to go to prison. Still, police allege, he repeatedly made threats against their lives.
"Thurber stated that he thought the [family] should no longer be able to breathe," Brattleboro Police Officer Mark Carignan wrote in his affidavit. "He said that they needed to be killed to protect the United States." " - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+23It isnt anti christian it is temporing your rhetoric with truth.
Like " muslism a the religion of peace, bah, all mohhamad did was preach violence"
so i point out the old testiment
"muslims are the only terrorists and we ar at war with islam"
well there are a lot of christian terrorists (and lets not get into scale.. or you tell me how many people can you kill before it becomes unacceptable)
I also point out there are many sects to islam and ask which sect is al queda, which none of these people seem to be able to answer, they also forget that with 2 billion muslims we have several in gov and roaming our streets as cops and in all walks of life.
"well muslims want to convert everyone"
well you have your own recruiters that travel to all kinds of countries.
"well muslims say belive us or die"
WEll christains gave death threats to the judge working in ID.. soi that is sorta "belive us or die"
now i sound very very anti christian.. but that is not the case at all.. I think most chrstians ae peace loving, i think that church tends to do more good than harm. But i sound anti christian because i am sticking up for islam. I am not pro islam just like I am not anti christain but i belive a FIRM MAJORITY of muslims want the same thing every red blooded human wants.. life, happinesss, children, safty and dont want to hurt anyone.
ANd it sucks because in the current climate not only are they demonfied, but they have also lost the right to be in the debate and many demand they be subservient by appologising for the terrorists, that probably arent even in the same sect, constantly every time they speak.
I will say what I am anti.... extremism... I am right no matter what.. attitude. - tracker1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Okay, some crackpots go over the edge, and it's front page on digg... The president of Iran wants to nuke Israel off the map because they're mainly jewish, nobody even blinks.
- omgitscolin, on 10/12/2007, -26/+38Nobody HATES Christians, lots of people just think they're wrong.
- Shayer, on 10/12/2007, -15/+27http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/legalinfo/discrimupdate.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-09-muslim-american-cover_x.htm
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2005/01/1709815.php
'Antonio Nunez-Flores pled guilty on March 22, 2005 to throwing an incendiary device at the Islamic Center of El Paso Mosque. The device, commonly referred to as a “Molotov Cocktail,” scorched the ground but did not explode. Children who were playing nearby ran away as the device landed and shattered. A second device was found and extinguished before it could explode'.
'The Civil Rights Division obtained substantial prison sentences for four individuals who plotted to destroy the Islamic Education Center.'
'In February, 2003, Charles Franklin was found guilty of a felony for intentionally damaging the Islamic Center Mosque in Tallahassee, Florida. Mr. Franklin crashed his truck into the mosque because he was angry with Arabs and Muslims.'
'Patrick Cunningham pled guilty on May 9, 2002, for attempting, two days after September 11, 2001, to set fire to cars in the parking lot of Seattle’s Islamic Idriss Mosque. He then fired a gun at worshipers who exited the mosque, and then fled.'
'James Herrick pled guilty to pouring gasoline on the wall of a Pakistani-American restaurant on September 13, 2001, and lighting it in an attempt to destroy the building'
'Four Iranian brothers have spent the past 40 months locked up in federal detention despite a court ruling last summer clearing them of terrorism-related charges leveled by the Department of Homeland Security.'
'Motaz Elshafi, 28, a software engineer, casually opened an internal e-mail at work last month. The message began, "Dear Terrorist."' - Shayer, on 10/12/2007, -12/+23http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/18/AR2006091800597.html
'The Council on American-Islamic Relations received 1,972 complaints of harassment, violence and discriminatory treatment in 2005, up from 1,522 in 2004, according to an annual report'
All this from a simple google search. I could find more articles, but I'm sure you get my point... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+23@LoneRanger85: Do a search here on digg for the words "Religion of Peace" and read the hits.
And that's of course not the worst there is: a little googling on the term + the term 'moonbats' or 'ragheads' will net you scarier stuff.
This guy may have been mentally ill, but he acted on what a lot of (allegedly) sane people are preaching. - thewatchman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13so what do we think the barrage of anti-American rhetoric coming out of the muslim world will lead to? (just paraphrasing the title)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19What part of "do a search here on digg" and "a little googling" is it you do not understand?
- Roger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Don't dismiss all the Middle East Muslims.
Many are as oppressed by the Extremists as everyone else. - SelfAbortion, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12To sum up this thread, both religions have built-in martyr complexes. Don't encourage it.
- VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10What's your email addy?
- pilgrim3970, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16"This isn't what a barrage of anti-Muslim rhetoric can lead to. This is what a psychosis can lead to. The story plainly states that he was ordered to undergo a mental health evaluation at the Vermont State Hospital. "
dude...SHUT UP.
Can't you see that you are messing up the point someone is trying to make with facts?? I mean come on, your totally screwing up another opportunity for "neocon" bashing and the hypocritical pursuit of insulting Christianity while extolling the virtues of all other belief systems.
get a life.
/sarcasm - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16While molesting a kid is definitely NOT KOSHER? Hijacking and flying an airplane full of innocent people into a building and killing 3000+ is just a tad worse.
But I can totally see how someone would draw a moral equivalent.
/sarcasm - kent1146, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"Use your logic : if everyone believed the world was flat, would that make it true?"
The way I see it, it is totally irrelevant whether or not God exists. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong, what is true or false. What *IS* important is that people believe that something is true, and those beliefs influence people's actions when dealing with practical issues.
For example, some people believe in God, some people do not. The people who do/not believe in God, have beliefs that influence their opinions on real issues, like abortion. When we, as a society, are trying to figure out how to handle an issue like abortion, people can argue until the end of time about whether or not God exists. In the end, whether or not God exists is irrelevant... what is important is understanding that people base their opinions on certain beliefs.
The reason I bring this up is because, back to my original comment, whether or not aethiests (myself included) believe that God exists is irrelevant. What *IS* relevant is that the overwhelming majority of the world believes in gods, and that belief in gods influences their actions. Aethiests do not have to agree with the belief that God, but they also cannot write off a whack-job like the guy in the article as "oh, he's probably Christian" just because aethiests think that Christians are also whack-jobs.
Lack of respect for dissenting opinions is the root cause of countless problems... religious persecution, ethnic cleansing and genocide, wars, a failure of a presidential administration in the 21st century, etc. - ahsen74, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14@Bullyjack
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/21/BAGMTLTGM51.DTL
But why must it come to people dying? By that time don't you think its a bit late? - AmishRefugee, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16BullyJack, you ***** idiot. You whine and whine that people are concerned about anti-muslim sentiments turning to violence then criticize them because no one is getting killed, then immediately reverse your thinking when someone shows you that there have been people killed.
Do your own damn research before becoming a senseless tool. - VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8True and horribly sad.. :(
- phydiux, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8This article is inacurrate. The suspect is a friggen' psycho. The guy lives out of his car, wants to kill his own family, and is undergoing mental evaluations. That's what being psycho can lead to, not anti-muslim rhetoric.
- tyho, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@Pile
You are proof of the expression:
(Hate) + (Internet Anonymity) = Complete ***** - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+16I do see a lot of anti-Jewish comments
Please.. .show me one instance... any one... because that is BS..
You can be anti israeli policies and support israel.
You can be against the israeli occupation of palistine that is illegal under international law
and not be against a single jew
You can be against isreali policy and yet still support defending israel.
You can be anti isreali policies and Not.. this is important so I will shout,
no PR HAMAS NOT PRO TERRORIST AND DONT SUPPORT THE TERROR ACTS.
See even IRAN which is very very anti isreal, has a large and government protected jewish groups living in iran. They arent anti jew, but they are very much anti israel.
I am not saying I am like iran, i dont want israel destroyed, i just want it to stop acting like a little kid in a play ground with unconditional protection from his big brother. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10barrage of anti-muslim rhetoric? where is all this rhetoric coming from? i don't see it on the media, movies or tv shows. More often I see christians being bashed. Why don't you talk about that?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12Who cares, this is america jack, what about all the "Barrage of Anti-Christian Rhetoric" thats ok tho?
- Daunting, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7One of the main tenets of Christianity is that persecution will come to the true believers. Forgot the exact scripture, (Had it thrown at me all throughout my childhood), but Christians, especially smaller Sects, revel in their persecution. It justifies their already "true" position.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12@m0tbaillie
You mean the crusades that were carried out in response to Muslim incursions into Europe? - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Usually they get issued one in their job as police officers.
- mykos, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Ever been to a Muslim country and see the barrage of anti-A LOT OF OTHER RACES, NATIONALITIES, AND BELIEFS? Look what it leads to.
This man was obviously crazy to threaten to kill his own family. If some psychopath said he was killing nuns in the name of Nancy Pelosi, would you also say that she was responsible? - VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11I would like to point some differences out to you people that you might not realize..
Middle East Muslim's = Are the ones that do and support suicide bombing, that support or do not necessarily condemn fgm.. That are incapable of admitting any wrong doing and refuse to accept any responsibility.
American/Canada/Brittan Muslim's = my neighbor, maybe yours, maybe my brother in law, whatever.. They are us... So I would only point them out individually as bad as we do anyone else..
So maybe we all should be more specific when finger pointing, cause it could seem you are talking about your neighbor, and they are not any worse than you or your family members are.. :P - fleischner, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Which is more prevalent and dangerous: Muslims around the world preaching the death of Americans, Jews, and Christians, or Americans threatening to kill individual or families of Muslims? I'd bet the ratio is about 10,000 to one.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ - GabrielS, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Bury: Inaccurate
The title of this Digg is not reflective of the article it links to. Their is a context gap that creates the inaccuracy.
Vote to bury. - VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I wont disagree with you, but do you honestly think the Muslim's here can effectively influence the ones in the Middle East?
It's not like the Catholic religion where there is a central figure head and everything is organized on what is believed and what not..
The Muslims religion is fragmented, just as fragmented as the Christian Religion, I don't see the Protestant Christians following the dictates of the Catholic church or vice versa..
( Sorry Catholic here and I lump all Non Catholic christians into protestant, cause im a meany :P)
I will say though, that I do feel the leaders in the Temples are possibly failing their own, by saying no to donations of monies and what nots.. :/ - dshPls, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14Bully you should quit posting before the anonymous aspect of the internet no longer protects from looking like an ass infront of people you really know too.
- dognose, on 10/12/2007, -12/+17I see lots of anti-terrorist comments... but not enough... so, it really can't be called rhetoric. There are way to many pro-terrorist people around (i.e. supporters of Hamas, etc)
I do see some anti-EXTREMIST muslim comments.. but again, I don't think it's overly used or an exaggeration.
I do see a lot of anti-Jewish comments. That almost seems like the norm here. - drsnooks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5kent: Hear hear, that's a good argument, well-stated. You must be new around here ;-)
- Pile, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Go to:
http://www.whichreligion.com/
There's a lot of resources on different types of religion and most of the skeptic essays and videos are there as well.
It's true that neither christianity nor islam can claim to be more or less peaceful -- both religions have a history of using oppression and murder to promote their ideals.
Also, people say that there seems to be a lot more atheists online than in the real world - the truth is there are a lot more atheists in the real world but most don't speak out because they are even more discriminated against than gays or other minorities. At least there's no law in six states that says a gay person can't hold public office or testify in court. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8There is freedom of speech in this country. People can say whatever they want as long as nobody is harmed. If Muslims want the anti-muslim rhetoric to stop, they need to tell the extremists in their religion to stop brainwashing their youth and calling for jihad against the West.
- geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108140,00.html
ACLU Comes to Rush Limbaugh's Defense - Kryptik1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Demonstrate? What is there to demonstrate. The title says 'What the Barrage of Anti-Muslim Rhetoric in the US Can Lead To'. You can't look at me and say that this whacko wouldn't have targeted that family if not for the rhetoric from talk radio hosts and pundits and commentators who push the increased idea that the War on Terror is more about fighting Muslims than terrorists, or at the very least, making their own casual connections of 'since most of the terrorists are Muslim, there's obviously something wrong with Islam as a whole, therefore Islam is suspect'.
This IS what that rhetoric can lead to. And it's not just whackos like this guy. There are plenty of normal Americans who have been lead to believe that there's something inherent about Islam and Muslims that makes them terorrists, and thus are willing to either give up freedoms for safety from them, impose ridiculous restrictions on them (like the people who endorsed the idea of identifying tattoos or armbands on ALL Muslims), or, in the extreme end, attack them out of misguided ideas of 'protecting the country' from 'evil terrorist Muslims'.
Terrorism in this country has been so narrowed down in focus that most people can't see terrorists except in the terms of Muslim, Middle Eastern, Al-Qaeda style terrorists. And that leads to dangerous things, including ignoring acts of Domestic Terrorism because it doesn't fit that mold, as well as the suspicious and sometimes eliminationist rhetoric against Muslims, such as asking ALL Muslims to apologize for the acts of a group of extremists Muslims since they share the same religion, therefore must be just as equally accountable. Or like this guy, target Muslims because, since they spoke Arabic and were Muslims, they were OBVIOUSLY plotting an attack.
It gives people, whackos and vengeful people alike, a target that often times isn't deserving. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@m0tbaillie
"If your opinion of an entire religion (of more than a billion members) comes from a handful of extreme incidents/circumstances then you really ought to re-think your stance..."
My opinion of Islam was influenced more by the thousands of Muslims filmed dancing in the streets celebrating the destruction of the WTC. I didn't see any wild, gun-firing demonstrations in Christian communities when the Taliban collapsed or when Baghdad fell. - swr1ght, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Most people are sensitive to criticism that they feel directly reflects on them. Therefore a Muslim will be sensitive to any criticism of themselves and fellow Muslims. Christians will be sensitive to and criticism of themselves and their fellow Christians. The Jewish will be sensitive to and criticism of themselves and their fellow Jews. It is as simple as that. Everyone needs to accept that, take a deep breathe, and enjoy a moment of Zen. :-)
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