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- seks03, on 08/06/2008, -86/+304I cant believe how stupid people have been to vote repubs in to office this many times.
- Shiftgood, on 08/06/2008, -38/+221Its very hard to see the truth when you're foaming at the mouth with your eyes rolled back in your head screaming about guns, gays and taxes.
btw. Ive been getting into some arguments (imagine that) with some republicans about taxes. Before it was "Less taxes for me" and now that obama is going to tax them less than McCain they say "Oh, well, Less taxes for the corporations, more taxes for me"
wtf guys... its like you're defending the word Republican, not its values. Im sorry your candidate isnt really a true conservative and hold those values and desires (ones i can really respect, honestly). But it doesnt mean you have to just go along with it. Hopefully next election you guys will get a real conservative and we can have an intelligent debate on how to move the country forward.
Cheers - directedition, on 08/07/2008, -12/+155I miss when the worst thing you could say about our president is that he was getting blow jobs in the oval office.
- likwidtek, on 08/06/2008, -52/+173I miss Clinton.
- Kanuhduh, on 08/06/2008, -22/+121Bill Clinton is the only one without a combover.
- thcanalichio, on 08/06/2008, -16/+101just goes to show it's not what you do, it's what you and your friends in the media SAY about what you do.
- angryfirelord, on 08/07/2008, -16/+98While it's certainly true that fiscal conservatism is dead at this point in the Republican party, Clinton did not leave a surplus. He paid off the public debt, but not the national debt.
http://www.letxa.com/articles/16 - inactive, on 08/07/2008, -20/+94The only true fiscal conservative in washington at this moment is Ron Paul. He's got the record to back it up.
The rest of these idiot republicans are lying through their teeth when they say fiscal conservative. They're brain dead, completely unfit for the job, and deserve to be kicked out on their ass from any position in government. - ryan83189, on 08/07/2008, -19/+92So under Clinton we overpaid our taxes by 200 billion?
/Sarcasm - mecharabbit, on 08/07/2008, -12/+69I t should be noted that when both Reagan and Bush 1 were in office, there were Democratic majorities in Congress. In the last six years of the Clinton administration, there was a Republican majority, during which time the budget was balanced. There is no good excuse for the tremendous deficits of the Bush 2 administration and the Republican-controlled congress of his first six years. I don't know if there are really any generalizations to draw from these facts, but I just thought I'd put it out there.
- bixby1, on 08/06/2008, -29/+82oh McC, thank god you won't be winning anything anytime soon.
- pintomp3, on 08/07/2008, -18/+67it's usually out of fear and/or hate.
- jerryudigg, on 08/07/2008, -6/+54Could one person here say CONGRESS! Yes, CONGRESS controls the money! The president can sign or veto the budget, he does not make it! The president submits a budget to CONGRESS and then they do what they always do!
We live in a Republic.
Both parties spending this nation into slavery is a crime.
The only problem I have with the numbers given is that the Federal Government's accounting makes Enron look like amateurs. - Jeeper14136, on 08/07/2008, -7/+54I'm for any president that can produce a surplus but don't raise taxes to do it...let's trim a little fat in Washington first
- Ne007, on 08/07/2008, -17/+63It's usually because of religious nutjobery.
- Pilot85, on 08/07/2008, -1/+41If you hadn't noticed, we kind of owe a lot.
- fleischner, on 08/07/2008, -33/+70A) The dot-com bubble injected all that money into the economy. When it began to fail, so did the economy. And B) Clinton's "surplus" was projected, not real. I realize these things (called "facts") are hard to accept, but that's something you'll just have to work on.
- Wargalas, on 08/07/2008, -12/+48Notice how during two of those presidencies, there were 3 wars going on (Gulf War 1 and 2, Afghanistan), which take tremendous amounts of money to run.
Also note, that the economy was roaring during the 90's (Dell, Microsoft, internet bubble, etc.) that Clinton taxed the ***** out of. Just a little perspective. - inactive, on 08/07/2008, -7/+40All of them raised taxes.
- Dynamo418, on 08/07/2008, -10/+43Not to be a Debbie Downer in this circle jerk, but it must be said that Clinton was in office during the boom of the technological era; namely the internet. That produced a huge amount of wealth in a short period of time, which some may say contributed to the decline of debt in America. Also, both conservative and democratic economic ideas can be viable and defensible; do you think that all conservatives are simply misinformed and dumb because they don't see the light that democrats do?
- terracottapai, on 08/07/2008, -7/+37The wrong one.
- KingGorilla, on 08/07/2008, -3/+32It's not even a bad thing!
- havocjaw, on 08/07/2008, -7/+36No don't end the sarcasm. Plus don't forget Clinton started in the red.
GW instead had a head start.... and now... - inactive, on 08/06/2008, -10/+36Eight years later you nuts are still trying to blame Clinton for the disastrous Bush years? WTF? When does Bush fail on his own lack of merit?
- twomeyw23334, on 08/06/2008, -7/+30I don't know too many Republicans who are excited about McCain as a candidate, and you are right that he isn't conservative. Most are dreading the fact that they once again have to vote for what they perceive the lesser of two evils rather than a candidate they are actually excited for.
I don't know who you've been arguing with, but maybe they make more than $112,000, in which case they would certainly have less individual taxes under McCain. This accounts for 40% of the population so wouldn't be that unlikely. Or maybe they own a business.
Or maybe.... they actually just believe in the conservative value of "fairness" in which people aren't taxed more (percentage wise) for being successful. Generally, the more successful people drive the economy, and hurting them more can hurt the economy much more then giving the lowest tax bracket an extra $550 would help it. JFK had one of the largest tax cuts targeted to the rich in the history of the country. The result, massively increased tax revenue and a thriving economy. - Teuobk, on 08/07/2008, -5/+28I would argue that we haven't really overpaid our taxes until our national debt has been cleared.
- revisrev, on 08/07/2008, -9/+30Democrat ***** stinks less.
- colonelbuckshot, on 08/06/2008, -17/+37Dubya looks like a bit like Paul Wolfowitz
- brad3378, on 08/07/2008, -4/+24Bloomberg goes as far as to say that the Clinton budget surplus was spurred by a stock market bubble
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtons ... - fatlucy101, on 08/07/2008, -1/+21Amen
- inactive, on 08/07/2008, -17/+36 Why do Republicans think, that when taxes are cut, and their piece of the debt increases, they think they are coming out ahead? Or, do they not mind passing the national debt on to their children.
- Cyberpoop, on 08/07/2008, -4/+23I just don't understand politics at all. From the wiki page on 'Fiscal Conservatism':
"Fiscal conservatism is a political phrase term used in North America to describe advocacy of lower governmental spending practices and a lower federal debt"
wtf, mate? - dupems, on 08/07/2008, -19/+37Bury me all you want for this comment, but you diggtard sheep out there who think that only one party's ***** stinks need to wake the ***** up. Both parties are *****, and demonizing one party over another is just ***** stupidity. Go ahead and bury me you partisan hacks.
- inactive, on 08/06/2008, -12/+29Everyone but the GOP does.
- jcounterman, on 08/07/2008, -2/+18We just don't have any of them in Washington, anymore.
- cindya, on 08/07/2008, -32/+48It's a graph cleverly hidden in cartoon form.
Maybe now the average republican will get it. - dupems, on 08/07/2008, -28/+43I can't believe how stupid people have been to vote repubs and dems into office this many times.
- MacEnvy, on 08/07/2008, -4/+19Electoral math is all that matters, and Obama's creaming McCain by a huge margin.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama ...
http://www.electoral-vote.com/ - rockybullwinkle, on 08/07/2008, -6/+21Anytime a politician says the phrase "My friends...", whatever comes after it is complete ***** and you should check to see if your wallet is still safely tucked in your pocket.
- Corrosionx, on 08/07/2008, -4/+19Conservatives = Economic but not social liberties
Liberals = Social but not economic liberties
Can't you see it's a scam? We lose either way, every single time... - msheidi, on 08/07/2008, -7/+22apparently you never heard Carter's belt tightening speech or remember 24% interest on home loans not to mention gas lines.
That is why. - beeblebrox, on 08/07/2008, -7/+22Repubs controlled Congress during most of Clinton's term BUT also during most of Bush Jr's term. So control of Congress by the Repubs does not correlate with the surplus or deficit.
- denizen42, on 08/07/2008, -5/+19Neocons are hypocritical, NOT religious.
- foofightrs777, on 08/07/2008, -0/+14You mean ***** looks like crap?
- Ne007, on 08/07/2008, -4/+18denizen42...but it is the religious who vote for the NeoCons.
Agreed. NeoCons are FAR from being religious, but they push all the right buttons for the religious people to vote for them. All empty promises though. - thatsmyaibo, on 08/07/2008, -1/+14It is the Dems and Repubs alike that are letting the Iraq War continue. Politics isn't as black and white as everyone on Digg makes it seem. Stop thinking donkey or elephant and start thinking with your own brain.
- altgeeky1, on 08/07/2008, -4/+17Huh? The media LOVED Reagan. He got away with SELLING WEAPONS TO IRAN... then the Iranians blew up the US barracks in Beirut. What does he do? 48 hours later, the US invades Grenada... Barracks story moves to Page 4.
Reagan de-regulated the broadcast TV industry, ownership limits, and eliminated the "fairness doctrine". These things MULTIPLIED the value of network TV stocks, making him the darling of the media. The media had an unspoken agreement to edit out his moments of senility, just like the US media does now when Bush Jr. can't muster 5th grade English (take a look on YouTube for all the neat Bush moments you NEVER see on US TV... because athesiringe clips would help the terr'ists).
The "liberal media" myth somehow exists when a majority of US networks are owned by or affiliated with the military defense market, or News Corp. Wall Street owns the rest. - k4rm4, on 08/07/2008, -6/+18True Conservatives offer both Economic and Social Liberties.
- MrTito, on 08/07/2008, -2/+14Sadly, I wouldn't expect any of the more fervent supporters of McCain & Co. to be capable of intelligent debate. They practice an intellectual militancy of setting themselves on one side. Instead of defining themselves intelligently and thoroughly, they define their opponent in the worst possible negative terms they can get away with. Then they go and campaign on the platform of "well, hey, we're not that guy!" That's why it's been so important to the McCain campaign to go negative now and try to construct a "narrative" about Obama.
John McCain can't stand on his own values and principles. He can only stand in contrast to a distorted fiction his campaign creates about Obama. It's a reoccurring theme for the last two decades and at times it has worked spectacularly well for them. Think about blowhards like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly, how they define all issues as Us v. Them. They say they are the alternative to the liberal media, but there is no liberal media. They have to create that narrative for contrasting themselves against something and rally people to their cause. Just like Democrats were labeled as terrorist sympathizers because they wanted rational and reasoned approach instead of going off half-cocked. "We are the patriotic citizens, they want the terrorists to win!" It's ***** identity politics.
So no, I don't think they are capable of intelligent debate. For the sake of this country, and the health of our political system, their brand of politicking has to suffer a hard, stinging, and lasting defeat. Then, maybe, the core of their party will adopt intellectual debate instead of intellectual militancy and help move this country forward. I've done my share of bashing Ron Paul supporters, but they at least had the country's best interest at heart and made it about the Constitution. I'll take that kind of campaigning any day over the jingoisms of Bush, McCain, and the mainstream Republican crop. - inactive, on 08/07/2008, -5/+17cutting taxes does encourage business (I mean, haven't we all played Sim City games here?) It's the simultaneous increased spending that's the problem. There comes a point where teachers and school districts need to stop getting massive annual wages just because they "touch children's lives", state universities need to stop getting new athletic equipment and fountains, nasa needs to stop sending rockets to look at comet dust and gas giants a trillion miles away, highways and bridges to no where need to stop being paved while important arteries rust and rot, and the military needs to stop feeding soldiers $20 a plate dinners of ice cream and pop tarts while sending trucks full of government candy around to throw to children...
What needs to happen is taxes need to be cut and belts need to be tightened so that we can be in the green long enough to move back into positive territory. THEN we can start roving around mars, building highways to no where, yada yada yada... -
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