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- N3tw0rk, on 02/01/2008, -10/+91I've heard Clinton supporters say that "experience" is the biggest issue to them, which is why they like Hillary instead of Obama. Ironically, she has no real experience, she just perpetuates this lie of "35 years of experience" until people start believing her. Thirty-five years takes you back to 1973, while Hillary was still in law school. During her husband's two terms in office, Hillary did not hold a security clearance, did not attend meetings of the National Security Council, and was not given a copy of the president's daily intelligence briefing. During trips to Bosnia and Kosovo, she acted as a spokeswoman for American interests rather than as a negotiator. On military affairs, most of her experience derives not from her White House years but from serving on the Senate armed services committee.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/us/politics/26cl ...
http://www.slate.com/id/2182073/pagenum/all/
Obama's accomplishments are more substantial and varied than Clinton supporters suggests. And he has a longer record in elected office than she does, as a second-term New York senator. Obama served eight years in the Illinois state Senate and is halfway through his first term in the U.S. Senate. Clinton is about to begin her eighth year in the U.S. Senate. Going by years spent as an elective official, Obama's 11 years exceeds Clinton's seven. Obama was a community organizer and led a voter-registration effort in Chicago that added tens of thousands of people to the rolls. He was a civil rights attorney and taught at one of the nation's premier universities. He helped pass complicated measures in the Illinois legislature on the death penalty, racial profiling, health care and more. In Washington, he has worked with Republicans on nuclear proliferation, government waste and global warming, amassing a record that speaks to a fast start while lacking the heft of years of service. Nobody else running for president, besides Obama, has jumped off the career track for three or four years to help other people.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080116/ap_on_el_pr/ob ... - NoDrama, on 02/01/2008, -9/+53They just can't get a handle on Obama, because when things like Rezko emerge rather than dodge he just gives the money to charity. You can't sell ads and drive ratings with stories about a nice guy, and you can't get leverage on him, either, 'cause he's just gonna do the right thing no matter what you do or say. No control? No influence? Naturally they endorsed Clinton instead - and now the Clinton decision has gone radioactive on them.
- mochaman, on 02/01/2008, -9/+34Here is the bottom line:
"Obama understands the importance of values, connection, authenticity, trust, and identity."
Hillary modus operandi: triangulation, special interests, and incrementalism. - Checkerd, on 02/01/2008, -2/+23Before E except after C.
- Tiak, on 02/01/2008, -5/+22I was actually floored by how insightful this article was... Good going.
- relaxeder, on 04/17/2009, -1/+17Those are all good points. I hear Clinton supporters repeat that mantra all the time... "She has more experience," but they never seem to follow up and elaborate on that point.
What she has is name recognition. - Anpheus, on 02/01/2008, -2/+16You're acting like he personally oversees every donation to his campaign. I doubt any candidate can be held responsible for whatever nutjob donates to their campaign. What next, should I convince a KKK member to donate to Mitt Romney so we can all accuse him of being racist?
- kailinpa, on 02/01/2008, -4/+17Thanks for putting into words what I was sensing about the difference between these 2 people. It's depth of humanness.
The comment at this last debate before super Tues. which most characterized it, in my opinion, was when Sen Obama said it wasn't just reversing the decision to get into the war in Iraq, but "the mindset which got us into it in the first place." He gets it. He's getting the money to run -- he'll get the best people into the government. He'll find his RFK if that's what he needs.
I'm an older female -- it's not about a woman candidate just for the sake of female power -- anyone remember Maggie Thatcher? - inactive, on 02/01/2008, -4/+17Obviously the media thinks a missed handshake is a noteworthy issue.
I'm sick of these main media outlets focusing on meaningless issues.
NBC = OMG Obama didn't shake Hillarys Hand!!!!! What could this mean??!!??!
Rational thought= Maybe it was an accident?
Digg alter ego = Why would he want to shake that bitches hand anyways? - gwayo, on 02/01/2008, -3/+15Good point. That's why for a long time (less so now, but still...) they were using such hyperbolic language. They would amp up whatever he said that wasn't i-Love-Hil-n-Bill as "Obama Blasts..." or "Obama Rips" ...it was silly.
- 1jaxstate1, on 02/01/2008, -3/+13How in the hell is "honesty" and "trust" not a issue.
- hierophantus, on 02/01/2008, -6/+15Yeah, Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarack hates white people. Sure.
You're not even really trying to be an effective troll. - liquidhalcyon, on 02/01/2008, -1/+9AM
LEGEND - relaxeder, on 04/17/2009, -4/+12I'll hazard to bet you never even read his book.
- phytolacca, on 02/01/2008, -2/+9Best argument I've heard against the HRC experience claim in a long time. Thanks for putting it so well. I'll digg that all day!
- SabrinaHeaven, on 02/01/2008, -2/+9I don't understand. Empathy, honesty, and trust are not issues; they're meaningless phrases designed to make people feel comfortable--exactly the sorts of phrases we should avoid using in reference to politicians.
- Nougat, on 02/01/2008, -1/+7"... 'cause he's just gonna do the right thing no matter what you do or say."
Which is precisely the reason he should be president. - alittleroy101, on 02/01/2008, -1/+7***** I hope this guy gets the nomination.
- tblasko, on 02/01/2008, -0/+6The result being one candidate who will uplift and bring together America, and another candidate who will polarize and entrench the two sides deeper than they already are.
Think about it this way. To those on the far right, Hillary is the liberal Bush. The right loathes Hillary just as much as the left loathes Bush. We have enough BS partisanship going around already and it's causing things to NOT GET DONE. Barack will bring change. Hillary will bring divisiveness. - rhkaloge, on 02/01/2008, -0/+6This is a two page article on semantics. I know lots of hard working, honest people who would SUCK at being president.
- scallon, on 02/01/2008, -7/+13Goddammit this is not a Ron Paul story! Go away!
- inactive, on 02/01/2008, -4/+10Their endorsement of Clinton isn't the only radioactive decision they've made. This article
http://www.scragged.com/articles/the-nyt-bludgeons ...
explains how the NYT seems to hate Mr. Bush so much that they criticized him for asking Mr. Musharraf to share power with Mrs. Bhutto. Would they prefer that Mr. Bush help him turn Pakistan into a killing field? Doesn't the Times think it would matter if the Islamic extremists took over the Pakistani nukes? I think they're losing it. - DDRSkata, on 02/01/2008, -0/+5Already happened to Ron Paul.
EDIT: Just to clarify, I'm not a Ron Paul Zombie. I'm a Kucinich Zombie who just happened to think that whole controversy was silly and ridiculous. - meese, on 02/01/2008, -1/+6George Lakoff gets it - the guy is one of the most brilliant linguists out there.
- entrophize, on 02/01/2008, -1/+6Iraq/Iran
Health care reform
De-Bushing foreign policy
Economic stimulation/repair
Tax cuts
Immigration
...has there BEEN anything else? - natmaster, on 02/01/2008, -2/+7Restore civil liberties? Then why do they vote for things like the Patriot Act?
- knetworx, on 02/01/2008, -0/+5Well, you're half right...
- wild, on 02/01/2008, -0/+5Because if you say "Clinton" you refer to two political figures. When going with one name, it needs to be clear who you speak of.
And people say Rudy a lot. - americanforest, on 02/01/2008, -0/+4I agree wih the NY Times. Candidate "qualities" are not issues because it is impossible to tell whether those qualities are real or just being simulated by the PR people of either campaign. This is the trap that many fell into when Bush ran. He seemed likeable, every day, rancher from Texas because that is what the PR people wanted him to seem like. You can see the mess that kind of thinking got us into.
- AustinMandi, on 02/01/2008, -0/+4Yes, Obama did vote to renew the Patriot Act. And for the National I.D. Act. Not very patriotic at all.
Um..."change"? - MacEnvy, on 02/01/2008, -2/+6In your case, clearly not enough.
- lamprey187, on 02/01/2008, -2/+6obviously many people that have commented did not read the entire article that dug deeper than just looking at the surface spin. What cracks me up is that anti-Obama folks hype up this Muslim BS which is not true, but not once has anybody mentioned Romney is a Mormon. why not ? The US is a country that discriminates. To UNITE people means we accept cultural differences and work together to create a better future. The current path we are on is failing.
- Gerz1219, on 02/01/2008, -0/+3You're reading way too much into it. Politicians are referred to by their last name by default, particularly in the blogosphere. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's last name is Clinton, which she shares in common with another prominent politician, former President William Jefferson Clinton. In order to avoid unnecessary typing and/or confusion, she is referred to as Hillary, a distinct entity from her husband (kind of). The fact that her name isn't preceded by the title "Senator" is actually a sign of her prominence. Lesser known senators, like Senator Boxer or Senator McCaskill, need the title in print to identify their rank.
You raise an interesting point about what we'll all call Hillary if, God forbid, she becomes president. Former President George H.W. Bush wisely faded from the public scene after leaving office, so within a few months of W's presidency, there was no confusion about who a writer was talking about when they mentioned Bush. Bill Clinton made it clear in South Carolina that he is really campaigning to be a shadow co-president, sure to rear his head every time there's a national crisis, so Hillary will continue to be Hillary even after she's president. Also, the fact that Bill retains his title for life means there would be two President Clintons at the same time, necessitating a distinction on the easiest possible criteria -- their first name. - AustinMandi, on 02/01/2008, -0/+3And take note which presidential candidate is not on that list. Yeah, you know who I'm talking about.
- execute85, on 02/01/2008, -0/+3There's two months between the election and Bush leaving office. That's plenty of time for impeachment.
- mortinmaxwell, on 02/01/2008, -0/+3Even if Obama was a Muslim which he isn't why would that matter? As long as he makes policy decisions based on rational thought instead of God told me this is what's best it doesn't matter what religion he chooses to follow.
- Noods, on 02/01/2008, -2/+4"Obama understands the importance of values, connection, authenticity, trust, and identity."
Whatever happened to stances on the issues? - bbtweb, on 02/01/2008, -1/+3oh... sweet... lord...
I saw a disturbing report that the US literacy rate is falling. I didn't want to believe it. But thanks to you, now I have to. - lamprey187, on 02/01/2008, -1/+3war for 100 years. I am John McCain. Vote for a war that leaves the US bankrupt. Thanks.
- Kerrigore, on 02/01/2008, -1/+3Wouldn't that depend on whether his conception of "the right thing" coincides with that of the majority of Americans? Just saying...
- nblsavage, on 02/01/2008, -4/+6You complain about people supporting someone who can't win...and yet you support Ron Paul?
- CrackyJSquirrel, on 02/01/2008, -1/+3Nice, good point. I was thinking similarly about this. Because they want to throw the Rezko thing in his face. Its not like Obama knew at the time what he was about, and when the ***** hit the fan he did the right thing with the money. Further, they want to blast him saying he worked as an attorney for him. He indirectly worked for the firm, like 5 mins. one day.. Hardly enough to latch him onto a slithery defense team of a slumlord.
The other thing they are trying to make an issue of is his voting "present" so many times. This is coming from people who are either not understanding Illinois politics or, leaving out the reasoning for it to make slanderous accusations. There are perfect explanations on how the "present" vote is used strategically in Illinois. But leave out those facts and he looks like a incompetent politician who cant decide on issues. - inactive, on 02/01/2008, -2/+4But don't tell the obama supporters that, they'll cry themselves to sleep listening to obama's loud voice that says nothing :-)
- nblsavage, on 02/01/2008, -4/+6Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
- Sinai, on 02/01/2008, -1/+3All this article teaches me is that Obama has learned to appeal to the kind of person who writes entire articles on *****. Since Obama being elected seems more likely with every passing day, I can only hope it's just part of the con and has more meat to him than us all holding hands and singing Kumbayah. Which is difficult to ascertain, since at this point, he (or at least his election planners) has long since realized that giving any specifics beyond warm and fuzzies would only dilute his voter base.
- krnldmp, on 02/01/2008, -1/+3You haven't been paying attention to politics very long, have you? If honesty and trust were serious US presidential issues, your mom would be running.
- Sinai, on 02/01/2008, -1/+3Which makes a great deal of sense if you understand that Ron Paul thinks that the federal government should attempt to have as little possible to do with ... well, pretty much anything not outlined in the Constitution.
- screwzluse, on 02/01/2008, -1/+3Because that's part of the platform Hillary is running on. It is an "issue" even though it shouldn't be.
- jkoski, on 02/01/2008, -0/+2And when you say Obama's first name it sounds like he should be on "Space Ghost Coast to Coast"
Hey, I love the guy, but I'm just sayin'...... - jkoski, on 02/01/2008, -3/+5I'm so tired of Diggers giving Ron Paul the rusty trombone
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