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Wexler On Impeachment: "This Is Not The Lunatic Fringe"

thinkprogress.org — Today on the Ed Schultz Show, Rep. Robert Wexler (D-FL) discussed his effort to increase public pressure for the commencement of impeachment hearings against V.P. Dick Cheney. Wexler has launched a website — WexlerWantsHearings.com — to collect signatures in support of his call. "This Is Not The Lunatic Fringe. This Is Mainstream America."

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  • headt0thebunker, on 12/21/2007, -7/+73Memo to bigtrees.....you can only hope.....Wexlers website is pretty new....and there are an awful lot of people who really do hate that crook in the white house....

    Sure there are some fringe idiots like yourself that probably think he doing a great job....but I think most of the Americans...most True Americans....not the neo con wing nut phsycopaths like yourself.....really are worried about the direction of this country...

    Now I'm sure you already have your NAZI swastika tattooed on your forehead, and are really looking forward to the rest of us joining you......but I think the rest of us are little less inclined to meet you out there on the fringe.....

    I'm just going to hope that some of the elected officials begin to understand there will be repercussions for not impeaching two KNOWN criminals and maybe a couple of them might even grow a spine and do something about it.....
    • LukasSmith, on 12/21/2007, -21/+1repercussions? ahahaha. Democrats will hate Bush forever. But who cares. I dont see Bush or Cheney crying about it. Man I swear those two have real balls. The democrats are just crybabies. Democrats need to stop crying and realize Billary can never win and Obama? ahahha. yeah right. Yup democrats will lose white house again. Not that it matters much. I cant say Billary seems like the holiest candidate ever. She seems to love special interest money from criminals and business alike. And the fact she didnt stab Bills balls indicates she is totally happy to be her husbands first ride as long as he can give her image. Cant wait to find out who our new Republican president will be. Consequences? ahahaha.
      • Pherdnut, on 12/21/2007, -0/+20Hahahahaaa 4000 Americans dead, allies alienated, terror a BIGGER problem, civil liberties in ruin! 9 Trillion in debt. Whoooo! And the only guys who have anything to show for this mess is Halliburton, who got plenty of tail in the only way those assholes know how and will have a very nice set of stock options waiting for Dick when he gets out of office. WHoooooooo wheeee! But those boys sure got some balls.
      • LukasSmith, on 12/21/2007, -16/+1yes they do 9 trillion debt not caused by Bush alone or just republicans for that matter. Civil liberties secured unless your name is mohammed. 4000 americans were already dead in 911 or did you forget? 4000 soldiers who are paid to fight possibly die. They are called soldiers and not bhuddists for a reason. THe rich get rich the poor get poorer nothing new there. Yes Bush and Cheney have balls and those pusssie democrats know they are owned.
        • mightydavefish, on 12/21/2007, -1/+3You sound about 14.
          What kind of ignorant babble is that?
          Man, you need to get educated. Quit watching Fox for a start.
          Are you drunk right now?
      • ChristPissed, on 12/21/2007, -0/+10Silly Chickenhawk, not out on the frontlines fighting for the glory of your Führer? Your lack of patriotism is shocking.
      • andrgo, on 12/21/2007, -0/+6Yeah, why are you on Digg wasting your time bashing Democrats instead of fighting in your war?
        Bush lied and you know it. I don't hate Republicans, or anyone else for their political affiliation, but when people lie and screw up our country it pisses me off. In 2001 Bush had a clean slate and had the chance to become a good President, now it's practically unanimous amongst Americans, regardless of their party, that he's one of the worst, if not the worst President ever.
    • abran1984, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Conyers: Impeachment is dead

      http://www.digg.com/politics/IMPEACHMENT_IS_DEAD_C ...
  • headt0thebunker, on 12/21/2007, -4/+41Oh BTW.....ah...can you still hear me out there on the fringe?

    Anyway....just thought you might like to know another American added their name to Kucinich's bill to impeach.......that makes 24. Gee I wonder how fast they will jump on the bad wagon when that number starts getting bigger.......Nobody wants to be left out on the fringe ya know what I mean?
    • CourtesyFlush, on 12/21/2007, -15/+1If you're wondering how fast this trend will take to reach two thirds of Congress you should try math.

      Of course, if you actually did the math, your little dream would be crushed mercilessly.

      You're better off guessing and digging the semi-weekly ImpeachNOW thread on the intarwebs.

      Keep on wishing, little engine. If you think you can, you may ignore reality entirely.
      • Pherdnut, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3Yeah, but soon we get find out what went down with the torture, and if we can lock the retroactive immunity there's going to be a storm o stinky.
    • ZeroXMD, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1sigh, YOOOU ........REEEEEEEEEEED...........TOP.......OF.......PAAAAAGGGGE.

      sorry, i had to tell him in language he could understand.
  • savetheusa1, on 12/21/2007, -7/+66Impeach the *****!
    • JimmySpaza, on 12/21/2007, -12/+4How eloquent and well-stated.
      • mightydavefish, on 12/21/2007, -0/+4I agree.
        Get's to the point, has enough emotional impact, and makes your feelings toward the impeachee clear.
        Impeach the *****!

        Sorry spaz, rightard pissyness can't stop a great slogan!
    • sberk44, on 12/21/2007, -12/+6And they say education the education system has failed us.
    • tgc1, on 12/21/2007, -1/+4What more is there to say? He makes his statement concisely. That is all that needs to be said. Just do it and get it over with.
    • CourtesyFlush, on 12/21/2007, -11/+1I see the intellectuals of Digg are out in force today.

      A prime example of the brand of person who swallows this sort of pipe dream.

      "Glacier-like trends and overwhelming odds? BAH! Who needs MATH?!"
      • mightydavefish, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3And I see the right wing asshats are out today, eager to convince people to leave corruption in place.
        Thanks for nothing, loser.
      • ZeroXMD, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2Really, though it was toned too high, that guy said what needs to be said. Someone who declares himself above the law should be tried with the full extent.
  • ordig, on 12/21/2007, -7/+79If we don't impeach, future generations will look back on us with disgust.
    • thebellmaster1x, on 12/21/2007, -2/+31Hell, I already look upon my own generation with disgust.
    • OffPiste, on 12/21/2007, -20/+5We never impeached FDR and he really did lock up Americans for no crimes (Americans of Japanese ancestry), spied on Americans, authorized the construction of the A-bomb and would have dropped it had he lived a few more months, and supported the firebombing of civilians. Yet somehow current generations don't look at him with disgust. Ohhh I forgot,he was a Democrat. If you're a Democrat you can be the party that supported slavery, segregation, eradication of the native Americans, but you'll get a complete pass.
      • JimmySpaza, on 12/21/2007, -19/+1Well said. Bush may suck and be deserving of impeachment, but the hypocrisy on the left is astounding.
        • mightydavefish, on 12/21/2007, -0/+4Yeah, it almost registers when compared to right wing corruption and scandal.
          Do we need to post the ridiculously long list of GOP crimes again?
          Or will you right wing asshats at least admit you KNOW about the crimes?
          Why it it whenever the word hypocrite comes up Spaza shows up?
          What's the matter, did your JamesSpaza account get banned for being an ass?
          Shouldn't you have enlisted by now, so you can put your money where your mouth is?
          Like most of the right wing you must've figured out it's better to be a coward on the couch than a soldier in the Iraq.
          • JimmySpaza, on 12/21/2007, -4/+1"Yeah, it almost registers when compared to right wing corruption and scandal."

            Please, both sides of the aisle have a huge list of scandals and corruption. Let's not get holier than thou, thanks.

            "Do we need to post the ridiculously long list of GOP crimes again?"

            Why? It's been stated over and over again. I'd just like to see the leftists dump their hypocrisy and post the list of Democratic scandals...and there are tons.

            "Or will you right wing asshats at least admit you KNOW about the crimes?"

            If you didn't use bad language so much, maybe more people would pay attention to you and respond.

            "Why it it whenever the word hypocrite comes up Spaza shows up?"

            Just pointing out hypocrisy where it exists...and the leftists seem to be full of it.

            "What's the matter, did your JamesSpaza account get banned for being an ass?"

            No, for not spewing liberal garbage. It wasn't for trolling because I engaged in discussions with many people. It wasn't for name calling or bad language like YOU use. The Digg moderators never would own up to why they disabled the old account. It must be censorship.

            "Shouldn't you have enlisted by now, so you can put your money where your mouth is?"

            Already did, son. Probably well before you were even born. Been there, done that. Have you?

            "Like most of the right wing you must've figured out it's better to be a coward on the couch than a soldier in the Iraq."

            Some day you may learn about courage and have to stand up for something. May it be done away from your dorm room and in the face of danger...just like many of us have done time and time again.

            You talk tough. Have you ever been in a hot zone? How about serving in the military ANYWHERE? How about visiting a third-world nation...even if it was on vacation with your parents?

            OK...how about this? Ever volunteered at a soup kitchen or homeless shelter? Ever volunteered in a hospital? I have. Have you?

            No? Then you're all talk...and a hypocrite for demanding such of others with whom you disagree. Get back with me after you accomplish something and we'll discuss it.
      • chicofaraby, on 12/21/2007, -3/+20FDR also was in a real war, not some nonsense about some tiny nation that is somehow a threat using invisible, magic weapons. Get real.
        • tsotha, on 12/21/2007, -20/+1This is why we don't take lefties seriously. You realize more people died on 9/11 than died in the Pearl Harbor attack?
          • tommymctom, on 12/21/2007, -0/+21and what does 9/11 have to do with the war in iraq?
          • chicofaraby, on 12/21/2007, -0/+19That doesn't make Iraq a threat to the USA. Nor does it justify the illegal invasion of Iraq. Nor does it make Al Queso a serious threat to the USA. Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany were real, actual threats to other nations including ours. A few Arab criminals running planes into buildings just isn't. Again, get real.
          • Speed, on 12/21/2007, -1/+5It should also be mentioned that FDR wanted to join WWII earlier, but didn't because Congress said no until Pearl Harbor, and FDR didn't want to violate the constitution.
          • CourtesyFlush, on 12/21/2007, -9/+1@ Speed

            What part of the Joint Resolution have you actually read?

            Are you a ***** idiot?
          • mightydavefish, on 12/21/2007, -0/+4LOL
            Figures a rightard would try to tie PEARL HARBOR into Iraq.
            Talk about being completely out of touch with reality.
            It's amazing to see how their brains make these insane connections.
        • kevxross, on 12/21/2007, -0/+16Yeah, the difference is that time we went after the people behind the attack.
        • badqat, on 12/21/2007, -11/+2Oh, so are you saying FDR should be given a complete pass?
          • chicofaraby, on 12/21/2007, -1/+15Yes, I am saying that ***** that happened 65 years ago is probably not germane to the crimes that George Bush has committed in office. I'm saying that bringing up crap from 65 years ago only makes you guys look more foolish than usual. I'm saying get real.
      • UrbanOne, on 12/21/2007, -0/+21"We never impeached FDR..." Exactly. Which is why we need to impeach Cheney and then Bush. So, in the future, people don't say, "We never impeached Cheney and Bush..." We need to set the standard. This is not about living in the past, it's about living for the future. If we don't protect our Constitution today, we won't have it tomorrow.

        This is not a time to pretend there are more pressing or important issues. Bush & Cheney's oath of office demands that they "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". The President and Vice President have not fulfilled their oath of office. They must be removed from office, as should any other official who does not fulfill their oath. We do not have the right to NOT seek impeachment. If we decide to not act, especially in a case that so clearly demands action, we are setting a precedent to allow future elected officials to continue to degrade their office and subvert the Constitution, the very same Constitution that they have sworn to support and defend.
        • fluoro, on 12/21/2007, -0/+9"We need to set the standard. This is not about living in the past, it's about living for the future. If we don't protect our Constitution today, we won't have it tomorrow."

          This is well-said. While OffPiste's comments were correct, he seemed to be using them in such a way as to argue, "Well, we didn't impeach FDR and Bush is doing the same kind of things FDR did, so we shouldn't impeach Bush either." All kinds of violations of the Constitution have been going on since WW2, including every single "war" that has happened since then. Rather than say it's okay for Bush to do what he's doing since he's doing what has been done by presidents before him, we should impeach him now in an effort to keep future presidents from doing it again. Also, in addition to that we should respond to people like OffPiste by saying we're not the same citizens who were around during FDR's time, so the mistakes of that generation don't bind us to continue making the same mistakes again.
      • userperson, on 12/21/2007, -6/+2You forgot Social Security, which will allows the old to steal from the young, and may eventually collapse the whole thing.
        You're also forgetting the depression which in large part could've been avoided and the lead up to WWII which the U.S. involvement could've been avoid, or at the very least the attack could have been avoided if not had damages mitigated.
        FDR was a fascist. Not a fan of Democrats per se (or Republicans), but that's a bit low even for their ilk.
    • darkciti2, on 12/21/2007, -0/+12My family just buried a time capsule that will be unveiled in 75 years. I had to write a letter to future generations to include in it. I wrote a description about America as it exists today and a description about the freedoms that we enjoy today and the things that our Founding Fathers dedicated their lives to.
      It was a long letter and I ended it by saying that I would not let them down and that I will dedicate my life to preserving the civil liberties that we enjoy - that we do not have to show "national papers" (aka ID cards); etc.
      I won't be alive in 75 years, but my promise to them will...
      • joepaterno, on 12/21/2007, -5/+0When my family buried a time capsule when I was a kid, I stuck CDs, action figures, and baseball cards in it. I think my dad put in a few dollars and some newspaper headlines. It was fun. It looks like you spend too much time taking yourself too seriously. ***** relax a bit.
    • cambob76, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2And the rest of the world dude. The rest of the world will find it easier to forgive America if these criminals are brought to justice.
    • BlacklabelSAR, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3Future generations will only learn the truth if We the People win our country back. Otherwise, future generations will only be able to read the propaganda of revisionist history.

      Just like we are taught that Lincoln was one of the greatest presidents and freed the slaves, when actually he used the Federal Government to usurp the power of the states, and therefore the people.
  • rockdawg, on 12/21/2007, -6/+31This is AWSEOME and about time!
  • brainboy77, on 12/21/2007, -6/+8can he do anything though?
  • dreamtiger, on 12/21/2007, -4/+33Visit http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com/ and add your signature. They are pouring in at nearly 1000 per hour now! Don't want to get on Cheney's sh*tlist? Our only hope is to make it a mighty long sh*list.
    • joepaterno, on 12/21/2007, -2/+0Moveon.org has way more than 1000 members. Don't expect it to slow down anytime soon
  • OffPiste, on 12/21/2007, -15/+7I still don't get what this will truly accomplish other than having another "blowjob impeachment." The Republicans didn't have the votes to convict Clinton so all we got were a few years of the House wasting time. Now the parties have switched power so the same thing will happen, impeachment but no conviction. Can't Congress do something real? Do they really think the Republicans will vote to convict? The Demms just don;t have the votes in the Senate.
    • userperson, on 12/21/2007, -2/+2Shh! maybe this will take up time/energy they won't have to piss away money!
    • fluoro, on 12/21/2007, -0/+8OffPiste, you're probably right. But why give up just because we assume it's going to fail before it begins? The point here is that we believe the Administration has done something criminally wrong here. It's not a blowjob with a fat chick this time. It's countless deaths. It's countless amounts of taxpayer money being wasted. It's the obvious lying and deception that's been going on. Torture. Refusal to admit that torture is torture. It's making us all not proud to be Americans.
      I think if we don't try to force our congress to impeach, we're doing ourselves and our children a huge disservice. If you just say, "Oh they'll be out of office soon and it'll all be over" then you're a ***** blind idiot. The ***** they're doing isn't new. And this won't be the last time some US administration tries to do this ***** if we take the position of letting them get away with it. And that's what is really important about trying to impeach. Punishing them for criminal behavior is of almost negligible importance compared to the duty of trying to stop future administrations (either Democrat or Republican) from doing the same type of stuff.
    • mightydavefish, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Uhhh, Clinton didn't commit any crimes. Adultery is hardly a worth impeachment.
      Why is it the right wing can't see the difference between getting a blowjob and lying to America, spying on them, starting wars in two countries, and murdering a million innocent people while plunging the nation into debt and recession?
      It seems to be a fundamental failing of the right.
      • pcghost, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2Not exactly. He was actually impeached for lying to a grand jury that he shouldn't have had to face in the first place. Right wing wing-nuts like to forget that last part, to keep up their illusion of reality and their hate of Slick William I.
    • theclar, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2The difference between the two is that they tried to find something on Clinton and there wasn't much there but once this impeachment gets going they will find out all the ways this administration has broken the law
  • mk1288, on 12/21/2007, -18/+6No, bad idea politically. It will hurt the Dems in 2008 just like the Clinton impeachment hearings cost republicans a lot of seats a decade before. They'll never get the votes and will be portayed as lunies bu MSM
    • tsotha, on 12/21/2007, -8/+3As a conservative, I would love to see it. The Dems have already managed to go a whole year without doing a single thing, and it wouldn't break my heart if they made it two, especially right before an election.
      • darkciti2, on 12/21/2007, -0/+8You're just trying to take a few Democratic seats in the Congress to keep your corruptass President and his buddies from getting indicted.
        You know damn well that the brand new Congress can't get anything done while Bush veto's everything.
        Nice try, though; and very typical of a Republican liar and cheat.
        You are what's wrong with this country, and we're going to clean you out in 2008.
        Democrat across the board in 2008 - it's better than the past 7 years of Republicans (across the board: White House, Congress, etc)
        • tsotha, on 12/21/2007, -3/+1Seven years of Republicans? Typical of a Democrat liar and cheat. I don't know if you've been keeping up on current events, pal, but the Democrats control congress. The reason they can't get anything done is they aren't trying to get anything done - there are lots of issues they could work with the Republicans on, but they don't want to.

          They're trying to ride Bush's low polls to victory in 2008, running yet another candidate who stands for nothing but "I'm not Bush". And fools like you let them get away with it. Maybe someday your party will stand for something, but that day isn't today.

          It took the Republicans twelve years to get too comfortable with power. After promising to have the most ethical congress in history, they Democrats have managed to put the most corrupt of their number in positions of power. Wake up and smell the coffee, pal, you're gonna lose the house, and the presidency in 2008.
          • mightydavefish, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2Yeah rightard, the Dems just can't get it done, even with the cooperation of the GOP.
            C'mon *****, be honest.
            They can't get anything done because the GOP BLOCKS everything they can, and you KNOW it.
            ***** right wing liars.
            You disgust me.
            Hey, shouldn't you enlist so you can win the war on TERROR? You right wing asshats claim we must win, so why are so still hiding at home?
    • UrbanOne, on 12/21/2007, -2/+8This is not about partisan politics. This is about upholding the law and the Constitution. With all the evidence, do you really think we have the right to NOT act? That's like someone committing a crime in front of a police station, and the cops saying, well, we won't look good if we arrest them.
      • insertAliasHere, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1***** it's not about partisan politics. You can say that as much as you want, but it still won't be true.
        Maybe you meant to say that it _shouldn't_ be partisan. Personally I am so jaded from recent politics that I don't think anything can be non-partisan.
  • lukifer, on 12/21/2007, -7/+17Today's fringe is tomorrow's mainstream; the seed of the yin is contained within the yang. We can and will hit critical mass on this. For great justice.
    • CourtesyFlush, on 12/21/2007, -7/+2No, fringe is pretty much fringe.

      You have less than a year to go to convince another sixty percent of congress..

      "Hurry! More websites! More diggs!"
    • iofthestorm, on 12/21/2007, -5/+2TAKE OFF EVERY ZIG!
  • dgh1973, on 12/21/2007, -5/+37It still astounds me that Clinton was impeached for an extra-marital affair while these fatheads remain untouchable.

    Dugg and signed.
    • slashbot, on 12/21/2007, -10/+7He wasn't impeached for the affair, he was impeached for *lying* about it while under oath in front of a federal grand jury. We generally call that the crime of perjury. Although I'm sure you'd like to ignore that fact.
      • pintomp3, on 12/21/2007, -1/+14why is was there a federal grand jury over a blowjob in the first place? how about having a federal grand jury about the war?
        • Dibou, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2The grand jury was over his sexual harassment...of which there were many instances.
          That is also a crime Bill is guilty of.
      • joshuabowers, on 12/21/2007, -3/+6Granted. And wow! Perjury! That's vastly more significant than any of the crimes of intent or negligence that Bush and Cheney have allegedly performed. Thanks for pointing that out.
    • Dibou, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2It is absolutely astounding that slashbot got dugg down for the most accurate statement so far on this thread.
      That supports the whole "lunatic" statement.
  • bluesnowmonkey, on 12/21/2007, -4/+20There a LOT of people in DC who have committed a LOT of crimes. I have this nagging feeling that even if we managed to impeach and convict both Bush and Cheney, it would be this titanic, and the nation would be so exhausted from the effort that we would get tired of hearing about all the other corruption left behind.

    If you're upset about the war in Iraq, don't lay all the blame on Bush. Congress can get us out any time they want. They always could. They don't want to.

    How do we impeach all of Congress?
    • chicofaraby, on 12/21/2007, -2/+10"How do we impeach all of Congress?"

      at the ballot box
    • fluoro, on 12/21/2007, -0/+6Yeah, we effectively impeached half of Congress during the last elections. That's why we went from having a Republican majority Congress to a Democrat majority Congress. The problem is that they're deliberately not doing what we voted them into office to do.
      So here's the real question: if you kick out the entire Congress for not doing what you want, and then you get a new Congress that still doesn't do what you want.. then what next? There's clearly something really b0rked in the system when you can't ***** FIND anyone who can run for office and will actually do what the people want.
      • darkciti2, on 12/21/2007, -2/+6The Republicans know that they've lost the White House. They are trying to save face by preventing a majority of Democrats in the Congress.
        They know that a Democratic/Progressive President and a Democratic Congress will crucify BushCheneyCo and their pro-Oil corruption.
        They are trying to trick the American people into removing the Democrats that can't do anything because the Republican President Veto's everything, so they can take a few seats in the Congress.
        The bottom line is that Republicans are trying to trick people into thinking that the newly elected Congress isn't doing anything, knowing full well that they CANT do anything because Republican George Bush is preventing them from doing anything.
        It's a typical (and shameless) Republican tactic.
        The bottom line is that Republicans have been in control of the President and the Congress for the past 7 years and our country has gone to *****.
        The only solution is a completely Democratic government in 2008 for at least 2 years. In 2010, we can evaluate the Congress and if they are not doing their job, we can vote in a new party.
    • darkciti2, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2It's not the new Democratic Congress, Republican Bush is veto'ing everything that Congress wants to do. He's a Lame Duck President and when he's out of Office, he'll be tried as a war criminal - but only if we can keep a Democratic Congress and White House.
      The Republicans are trying to gain more seats in the Congress by shifting attention to "the do-nothing Congress".
      They know they are going to lose the White House, so they are focusing on trying to take some of the Democratic seats in the Congress... Why? So they can avoid being INDICTED.

      Republicans have owned the Congress AND the White House for the past 7 years. It's time to TAKE THE POWER BACK !
  • slashbot, on 12/21/2007, -17/+7haha idiot. By mentioning the lunatic fringe, he only lends more credence to his part of it.

    Dream on fringe liberals, dream on. It will not happen, so live with it. UFO Mc'Kucinich has already failed several times already. Mainstream America and the vast majority of congress is laughing at you.
    • rhedwolf, on 12/21/2007, -6/+6You're deluded.
      • CourtesyFlush, on 12/21/2007, -4/+7Deluded is believing this movement will gain another sixty percent of congress' vote within a year.
      • slashbot, on 12/21/2007, -5/+5Of course this is coming from someone who probably believes either Ron Paul or Kucinich will somehow pull out the nomination. Yet *somehow* they will get the votes!
    • userperson, on 12/21/2007, -2/+1Congress isn't laughing... they don't hold people with high enough regard for such. That's like you laughing at a cow; we're just chattel to them.
    • Delphium226, on 12/21/2007, -2/+2So you support the disintegration of the constitution? The breakdown of the separation of powers? Sounds like you're against the US and everything it stands for. Traitor.
    • iancorey, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1This guy's a nazi. How can you laugh about the state of politics in this country?
      Are you educated, sir?
    • z0mgwtf, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1lmao
    • ZeroXMD, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2do the world a favor and ask to be put in the hole at your local prison. You obviously want that situation, but the rest of america, the portion that has an IQ higher than 70, will be trying to get our country back.
    • FFIO, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2"UFO Mc'Kucinich has already failed several times already. Mainstream America and the vast majority of congress is laughing at you."
      You is already making yourself look stupid already.
    • technoredneck, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1Because believing God talks to you is not potentially equally schizophrenic, right? Ad-hominem attacks and name-calling only make you look foolish and on the opposite 'fringe'.

      Quite frankly, I don't give a damn if 'mainstream America' is laughing at us; all that matters is that we're trying to shake things up and fix the mess Bush & his administration have gotten us in, unlike anyone who finds that amusing due to being egregiously uninformed and/or too complacent for their own good.

      'Mainstream America' has already shown us that they're more concerned with Paris Hilton and Oprah's dogs than the well-being of the US. And that means any laughing directed toward us 'fringe Liberals' by them doesn't quite phase me. The mainstream media is the present-day empathy box.
  • mrASSMAN, on 12/21/2007, -5/+11Lunacy? THIS. IS. DEMOCRACYY!!!
    • userperson, on 12/21/2007, -5/+1Same difference.
    • wramos, on 12/21/2007, -7/+1Yes Cuba is a democracy as well! you should try living there. Fix weak liberalism with strong comunism!! Yes comrade either show your true colors, or get the ***** out of the way and let the conservatives fix things.
      • MadN, on 12/21/2007, -0/+0"get out of the way and let the conservatives fix things"
        Yeah, You right wing idiots have fixed things real good so far.
        If you really want to help fix things, write your Republican congressmen about impeaching Cheny/Bush NOW!
        • wramos, on 12/23/2007, -1/+1Listen, many of the conservatives are somewhat disapointed by things like immigration, spending, and yes maybe how the war has been run. But I cant imagine what would have happend with Kerry running the show. Really! When you listen to Bush he speaks to you, he doesnt speak at you like kerry did. The liberal party is the party of Do as I Say dont do as I do. The conservative party is freedom capitalism and the american way. It is the party of inclusion not exclusion, if you are black, green or purple we dont care, come join us. We dont devide, we include. This president has given all people from all walks of life the best economy since reagan. If you dont believe me look at the Dow. Ok you didnt participate? Then remember this conservatives are the party of personal responsibility. So get off your ass quit complaining and live long and prosper.
      • lhbaker, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2You're badly needed in Iraq.
        • wramos, on 12/23/2007, -1/+1And i want to go, they say i am too old, and i was a prior service member ARMY, ARMOR!!!. How bout you? Are you a woman or a weak liberal coward?
  • skyshock1, on 12/21/2007, -14/+7No, it IS the lunatic fringe. People like Wexler (and to a lesser extent the majority of Digg readers) are guilty of projecting their political views and assuming since everyone they surround themselves with agree with them, that the majority of people in America think the same way as well. Look I dislike the president too, but I'm not going to pretend that impeaching him will instantly make all our problems go away. It will take time, and he'll be LONG gone out of the whitehouse by then.

    If this were indeed the case, impeachment proceedings would have happened already.
    • slashbot, on 12/21/2007, -5/+7If they don't like it, they bury it. People on this site seem to forget America is still 50/50 on the political spectrum. The internet has biased some people to thinking they live in another world
      • darkciti2, on 12/21/2007, -2/+8America is NOT 50 / 50 on the political spectrum. Nice try, you Republican shill. The only way you can keep your Evangelical Christian Republican base interested in politics is to tell them they have a 50 / 50 chance.
        Also, digg is simply a societal aggregate. It's not a group of people clicking in unison. It's a complete spectrum of people from all walks of life.
        You must be a typical Republican salesman...
        Sorry, we're not buying it anymore.
        • ThePeteStanis, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2"Also, digg is simply a societal aggregate. It's not a group of people clicking in unison. It's a complete spectrum of people from all walks of life."

          You are quite simply living in your own world if you truly believe that Digg is an accurate representation of society. The only society that Digg is an accurate representation of is Digg society. Digg is most certainly not a complete spectrum from all walks of life.

          Just be reasonable, ok?
    • comand, on 12/21/2007, -2/+6This is the most common argument I hear against impeachment. In my opinion, it doesn't hold much water. Impeachment in this case is not about making problems go away, it's about meting out punishment for crimes committed while in office. If it takes a long time, that doesn't matter -- the country will be getting along with things in 2008 anyway. Applying your argument to the issue means that it's acceptable to let officials get away with even worse crimes, as it would be obvious to them that the public won't demand justice, because it "takes too long" and "won't solve the immediate problem."
    • fluoro, on 12/21/2007, -1/+4"Look I dislike the president too, but I'm not going to pretend that impeaching him will instantly make all our problems go away."
      Nobody is expecting all our problems to go away. We just feel like it's time to set that dangerous precedent of upholding the law and the Constitution. We realize it hasn't been done in a few decades. But that doesn't mean it should just never be done.
      This isn't about making problems go away. It's about trying to prevent them from happening again by setting a precedent that people will be held accountable for their actions.
    • roystgnr, on 12/21/2007, -0/+643% of Americans (according to polls, not "projecting") is not a majority, but it is not a lunatic fringe, either.

      I suspect if the latest poll questions hadn't been limited to the false dilemma "Cheney should not be impeached" vs "Cheney should be impeached and removed from office", support for impeachment would have been even higher. The country is polarized, but hopefully not so badly that there aren't people willing to say "Cheney should be impeached, and then either removed from office or not depending on the results of the impeachment investigations".
      • Dibou, on 12/21/2007, -2/+1"43% of Americans (according to polls, not "projecting") is not a majority, but it is not a lunatic fringe, either."

        Let's say you poll people:
        "Should Pelosi not be impeached." or "Should Pelosi be impeached."
        I'm betting you would get close to 43% (or more) saying she should be impeached.
        It would do no good and would be a waste of time.

        Polls are meaningless.
  • CourtesyFlush, on 12/21/2007, -6/+6"I am NOT merely 2% of Congress!"

    "At this rate, we'll have enough votes by 2350! That will show them!"
    • slashbot, on 12/21/2007, -5/+5Oh what Bush will be long out of office by then? Won't matter to the dems!

      I'm sure they will continue wasting time with useless resolutions and investigations long into the future. You may not be that far off after all!
    • lhbaker, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1So, in other words, ***** the Constitution.
  • duckstrap, on 12/21/2007, -3/+5How is demanding that criminals get punished hypocritical? Last time I checked, FDR was dead, which is probably why no one is calling for his head.
  • sirjimbob, on 12/21/2007, -2/+11WHAT THE ***** IS CONYERS TRYING TO SAY HERE?!?? WTF?

    http://www.democracynow.org/2007/12/20/to_impeach_ ...

    AMY GOODMAN: Why stop short of hearings on impeachment?

    "REP. JOHN CONYERS: Well, because, unless we’re going to impeach the Vice President and the President within this space of time, I think we could be very seriously compromising the greatest important—most important thing, in addition to documenting any misdeeds that may have happened, whether we continue to have Bush enablers continue to shatter and tear the Constitution to shreds. And so, all of this, academically, is great. I’ve got a number of books from my friends about which articles would be best and which ones we should go after more. But it seems to me that the time element and also the feasibility of whether or not there is any possible chance of success—there is a very stark reality that with the corporatization of the media, we could end up with turning people who should be documented in history as making many profound errors and violating the Constitution from villains into victims. And those are the kinds of considerations that have entered my mind in thinking about this process, Amy."


    Stop worrying about your own asses Democrats. I don't care if you are worried that impeachment proceedings might scare a few swing voters away from you in 2008. You have an obligation to check the balance of power of the other branches of government.
    • z0mgwtf, on 12/21/2007, -4/+1"scare a few swing voters away from you in 2008"

      A few? lol
    • krnldmp, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3If Conyers is so sure that politically connected corporate media is able to torpedo legitimate government action, where is his legislation to correct THAT?
  • nathanaver, on 12/21/2007, -2/+2When I saw the headline the first thing I thought of was the old screensaver game for Mac. That was a great game.
  • ZenMojo, on 12/21/2007, -5/+8The Right is so comfortable creating war out of whole-cloth vapor that they have driven the Left down with battle fatigue. At this point the Left is gunshy in the face of any potential conflict, and there is where the Right will gain the upper hand.
    This is all based on a simple perversion of logic that the Right has managed. Every loss the Right suffers is a win for the underdog, for the common man. But the greatest success the Right managed was collapsing religious hegemony into both military might and racial/cultural homogeneity. This means, no matter how hard the Right cracks the whip on its constituency, the constituency feels unified with their slave masters and feels that obeisance to your own is better than solidarity with "the other."
    This means, unfortunately, if the Left overpowers the Right, the layman on the Right will see it not as a triumph OVER power but the triumph of SPECIAL INTEREST power. This is, surely, a retarded conception of how power is grown and where it is fortified. The truth is, the Right is the power of money, greed, and tribalism, the Left is the power of tolerant populism and civil rights. There is room for some on the Right and room for all on the Left but the Right will convince you that to be on the Left is to lower yourself to the mongrels, the parasites, and the heathens.
    This creates a problem. The Right can be as corrupt, petulant, and perverse as it wants and nothing happens within its ranks. People it abuses will openly CHEER them, and if they cannot cheer them directly they will sneer and equate them to the Left or say, "At least they're not the Left." The Left can only truly win by appeasing the Right, and in doing so they are guaranteed to lose as the Right demands more and more and more concessions.
    It's a funny little irony.
    It all comes down to tribalism for the Right. Do you want to be one of "them" or one of "us?" If you are one of "them" then you can no longer be one of "us," so no matter how poorly we treat you and how harshly we destroy your government, your health, and your welfare, at least we won't treat you as badly as we treat the others.
    • Deeh, on 12/21/2007, -3/+4Right against left, left against right...is this all just some sick twisted puppet-show?

      I'm not a liberal or a conservative. I'm a god-damn human being.
  • bingobongony, on 12/21/2007, -9/+4So, one lunatic says that he and other lunatics are not lunatics, and the lunatics on Digg front page it?
    • Pherdnut, on 12/21/2007, -4/+0Lunatics? I thought this was about a serious *****.
  • Wartyboskfapped, on 12/21/2007, -6/+4DEATH TO TRAITORS
    • CourtesyFlush, on 12/21/2007, -5/+2"But for gawd's sake, don't TORTURE them!"

      "Because that would be WRONG!"
      • Pherdnut, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1Well by their own admission, waterboarding isn't "actually" torture so...
      • Wartyboskfapped, on 12/21/2007, -0/+5Your deliberate conflation of capital punishment and torture reveals the *real* motivation behind the latter. Clue: it isn't information gathering. You reveal the psyche of the anal-retentive extremist Right Winger: that of the violently immature, lashing out at any and all objects of threat, projecting your own desires and fears into an objectified enemy. It really is so easy to pick apart the rudimentary malformed psychology of the stunted personalities that push this ideology. Thanks for opening up.

        Execution is a humane and just end to the lives of mass murderers and war criminals. It may be the only capital punishment that is truly justified.
        • mirunit, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1"You reveal the psyche of the anal-retentive extremist Right Winger: that of the violently immature, lashing out at any and all objects of threat, projecting your own desires and fears into an objectified enemy. It really is so easy to pick apart the rudimentary malformed psychology of the stunted personalities that push this ideology."

          As if this is mutually exclusive to the right. To be honest "Mass murderers" and "War Criminals" are by no means alone - often times they carry the support of many followers, should we execute them all? Also, it is prudent to note, you are only a "War Criminal" if you lose - the US has not lost yet. Politics will always be about power and at no point in time will it be fair, you can keep your reality - but do not ever expect me or people like me to support it when in all likelihood I would work against it.
  • CourtesyFlush, on 12/21/2007, -7/+4Democrat leadership is afraid of what impeachment hearings will expose.

    Public hearings air everyone's dirty laundry.

    Only the dim and naive believe that impeachment can happen.
    • Wartyboskfapped, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3They're all guilty, you're right. Thanks for admitting that the Democrats are part of a pattern of crime. In doing so, you admit that the critics of the Bush Administration are correct.
    • lhbaker, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2In addition to being dim and naive, we're also trying to preserve the Constitution, which your president has proudly dismissed as little more than a peice of paper.
  • Rich711, on 12/21/2007, -10/+2Ofcourse HE'S going to say that, the lunatic fringe never thinks it's the lunatic fringe.
  • stark23x, on 12/21/2007, -8/+3Three days...yep, yet another impeachment fantasy on Digg's front page! You can set your watch to this *****.
    • darkciti2, on 12/21/2007, -2/+6I bet my Republican Homosexual Pedophile Scandal clock is more accurate than your digg watch.
      You guys are shameless. You attack Democrats because you have ZERO achievements.
      It must be sad to be a repeated Republican failure. Maybe you guys should reconsider your views on life.
      • stark23x, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Wow. You certainly like buzzwords and Digg mob talking points, but unless you know a ***** thing about me, maybe you should ask instead of assume?
    • Pherdnut, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1I set my watch to some journalist attaching "-gate" to something to make it sound like a scandal.
  • TheWorm, on 12/21/2007, -6/+3Isn't this the guy who was asked on the daily show to complete the sentence "i like cocaine because...." and he followed with "because it is a fun thing to do"?
    • CourtesyFlush, on 12/21/2007, -5/+3Remember, being a coke head is wrong if Bush did it.

      Being a coke head is perfectly acceptable if you promote the digger approved agenda. They really don't care if their double standards are well documented.
    • fantasticFlan, on 12/21/2007, -2/+8It was the Colbert Report and yes, he went along with a joke.
      • TheWorm, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2You act as though I wasn't fully aware it was a joke. I wasn't holding it against him.
        • Dibou, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1You forgot where you are....
          If you hate Bush you get diggs, if you say anything negative about those who hate Bush you get buried.
      • aadyss, on 12/21/2007, -0/+0Tell me, what's funny about cocaine?
    • Pherdnut, on 12/21/2007, -1/+5The only time I've seen anybody bring up coke use is one GOPer forgets Bush's history and says something dumb about Obama having tried it when he was a teenager. If somebody's brain got ruined by drug and alcohol abuse, it sure wasn't Obama's.
      • mirunit, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2I really do not think Obama or Bush were heavy users. Personally, I have nothing agianst Obama for it and he is currently my favorite Democratic candidate - with a favorite Republican still up in the air.
    • TheWorm, on 12/21/2007, -1/+1Why are people burying me? I wasn't trying to attach any kind of agenda or spin to that comment. When I saw the name and the picture that's what I remembered him for.
      At the time, some people were trying to make some sort of scandal with it, I thought it was cool he wasn't so uptight he couldn't go along with Colbert.
  • bxblox, on 12/21/2007, -5/+1I find it amusing that they'll just pretend he's not there.
  • mattsw84, on 12/21/2007, -6/+1Actually it kinda is.
  • Pherdnut, on 12/21/2007, -3/+2Hypocracy becomes a lot less evident in the statements of the opposing party's senators when the crime is breaking the constitution as opposed to committing perjury to lie about a blowjob. If anything, it was nice to see that particular incarnation of the Christian Right kill itself off for a few years. Clinton didn't have a 60 foot scandal list and nobody's going to be constantly reminding America of a sexual act for a year. Think about it. Which senators will actually want to stick up for the guy?
    • darkciti2, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3What the ***** is your point? Do you have one?
      Do you speak American English, or are you just regurgitating what you Pastor told you?
      • Pherdnut, on 12/21/2007, -1/+0I'll use one word-sound words just for you so it's not so hard this time. If you have good rules for life on this land but a new chief spits on them, that's a lot more bad than when that old chief told a big lie to hide from bad stuff that gets you when you have sex stuff with the wrong girl. The big lie chief gave us a gift 'cuz it made the bad right god folks leave for some time. This time we can make Bush chief hurt bad 'cuz more of us hate him and if it is long with the peach, it is not long and tells of sex stuff round and round. That makes god folks not like us..
  • wramos, on 12/21/2007, -2/+2Check out www.thepeoplescube.com if you want amunition agains the rightwing.
    • mattsw84, on 12/21/2007, -1/+3Need people to form your opinions for you?
      • wramos, on 12/23/2007, -0/+1 evidently you didnt go to that link, because you are a weak liberal. At the peoplescube, we fix weak liberalism with strong communism. And if you are a conservative you will find its the funniest website on the web.
    • Pherdnut, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1If I need ammo, I'll get one of those assault rifles they insist on keeping legal.
  • JoeRW, on 12/21/2007, -0/+8Yep, if there was punishment for disgracing the white house for Clinton, there should be punishment for subverting the constitution for Bush/Cheney.
  • stoikiometry, on 12/21/2007, -1/+2Stupid comment here: the only definition I have for 'lunatic fringe' is the duke3d level. I'll look it up tomorrow.
    • Pherdnut, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1Slim minority of crazy people standing off to the sides.
  • Shellius, on 12/21/2007, -0/+4Let's start with Pelosi and work our way across and up.
    (Future generations will look back on us with disgust? This one does. Mine does.)
  • Chip53, on 12/21/2007, -8/+3Dugg down, lame.
  • GhostyBoy, on 12/21/2007, -1/+4!*!*!*!NEWSFLASH!*!*!*!:

    Politicians are telling lies, the media is a propaganda machine, elections are rigged, war-profiteers actually profit from war, and bankers want to own everything!

    Nah, I'm just messing with you. Those are all just a bunch of wacky conspiracy theories.
    Relax, everything is just fine.
  • AsimovSorenson, on 12/21/2007, -8/+3Buried,
    Because yes, it is the lunatic fringe.
  • MadN, on 12/21/2007, -2/+1Shellius:
    I agree; Pelosi MUST GO!
    Can't California "recall" her?

    Why does 301,139,947 Americans hate us for our freedom?
    /But wait.....
  • JMellissa, on 12/21/2007, -6/+5Impeach Bush AND Cheney NOW please!
    Thank you
  • LeeJunFan, on 12/21/2007, -4/+2Yep, as always it's all about the parties, instead of just plain ol' doing what's right. Political parties make me sick, a pack of tyrants or a pack of pussies too cowardly to stop them.

    “Conservatives want to be your daddy, telling you what to do and what not to do. Liberals want to be your mommy, feeding you, tucking you in, and wiping your nose. Libertarians want to treat you as an adult.”
  • killakan, on 12/21/2007, -2/+4Said the lunatic fringe.
  • mirunit, on 12/21/2007, -2/+2""This Is Not The Lunatic Fringe. This Is Mainstream America.""

    Proof, or he can just keep talking. We are on the doorstep of 2008, and in 2008 there will be a presidential election - why would people want to push through all the rigors of impeachment at this point in time? It makes little sense in all honestly, about as meaningless as the Clinton proceedings.
  • ralph12c41, on 12/21/2007, -3/+4Buried....inaccurate ....sorry to break the news to you....this is beyond the lunatic fringe..have a nice day...
  • udahlen, on 12/21/2007, -0/+7During Watergate, America showed what a great democracy it was. Even the President wasn't above the law. What has happened to America now? The President lies and routinely ignores the law, and (almost) nobody cares? Is one horrible terrorist attack all it takes to bring down democracy?
    • Delphium226, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3Looks like the neocons did bin Ladens job for him.
    • GhostyBoy, on 12/21/2007, -0/+1They hate our freedoms so we got rid of them right quick!
  • easyfnmoney, on 12/21/2007, -3/+3Impeach Cheney? What a novel idea! It's only about 7 years too late... erm
  • Barbarino, on 12/21/2007, -4/+3Um, yes it's the fringe.. Bush has 12 months left, impeachment is just plain silly and the mainstream people in this country do not want to see it. But here on far left digg, it's another story..
    • Pherdnut, on 12/21/2007, -0/+0I used to feel that way but they finally hit critical mass on my tolerance for BS. Future politicians need to know that you can't take it this far and get away with it.
  • Delphium226, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2If members of the government break the law. They should be brought to account. The application of the law is supposed to be absolute and not a matter of having to generate enough publicity so that pressure is put on people to do something. They should already be doing their jobs, with or without public pressure. If someone robs a bank, you don't go around getting signatures or taking out ads in the paper to get the sheriff to act on the crime. The fact that popularity determines if you get away with a crime or not is a sad reflection on the state of the nation. If we let this slide, then we have lowered our standards and things will slide further into chaos.

    Those who support this slide into chaos, who applaud and take joy in the unwillingness of those who should be doing something to do something are traitors to this nation. They are putting party above nation and that is not what a patriot does. That is the path to tyranny.
  • valkyrie123, on 12/21/2007, -1/+7Clinton got a BJ and impeachment was happening. Dubya and Co. has killed over a million innocent people, destroyed two countries, destroyed the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, hell he’s done everything but rape and kill babies on the White house lawn, and impeachment is considered “the Lunatic fringe”. WTF is it going to take?
    • nimbleprune, on 12/26/2007, -0/+1since when have Most liberals cared about the Constitution accept when it serves their political agenda?
  • GreatSunJester, on 12/21/2007, -3/+2Yes is it the Lunatic Fringe -- only they believe that:
    1. Bush will be impeached
    2. It will matter (Clinton proved it does not)

    All they will do is posture every once in a while, stir up attention for themselves as politicians who care and ultimately let Bush leave office normally. Most politicians can be counted on for one thing only when it comes to judging other politicians..... they will not do anything that can be used against their own.
    • Dibou, on 12/21/2007, -0/+2I'm for the impeachment though because it would guarantee Democrats won't win the White House.
      • GreatSunJester, on 12/21/2007, -0/+0Interesting thought -- why? that would put Cheney in as president. He could legitimately win 8 years afterwards (not that there is chance one he COULD win). So we are left with the same old, tired field of potential candidates. All can think is once Bush is out of office, the "I hate bush" glee club would be spent and have nothing else to live for.
        • Pherdnut, on 12/21/2007, -0/+0The impeachment is for Cheney. After that they may just censure Dubya and let him leave office in disgrace with his puppet strings cut.
  • totaldepravity, on 12/21/2007, -0/+3Hopefully no family members of his will end up dead.
  • bshock, on 12/21/2007, -1/+4Mainstream America wants impeachment.
    Lunatic Fringe wants... well, let's just say it involves sharp instruments and pikes.
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