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- NikhilPK, on 10/11/2007, -3/+25Dude, shut the ***** up.
- EricCiccone, on 10/11/2007, -6/+27Unlike LGF thinkprogress doesn't spew out propaganda against Muslims and inaccurate information
- pintomp3, on 10/11/2007, -4/+22aww, is the islamophobe crying because his favorite hate site isn't popular enough?
- Kmack928, on 10/11/2007, -8/+26I hope everyone had a chance to see this.
It was a stark contrast between Webb, who is forward thining, and genuinely concerned with the troops welfare, and Graham, who was just spewing mindless rhetoric we've been hearing for YEARS. I was absolutely disgusted not only with the content of Grahams argument (which was time and again ripped apart by Webb) but also by the way he acted. He made the same point three times in a row, said God bless the troops several times (what the hell place does that have in this discussion?), and tried interrupting Webb on multiple occasions. It just came across as Graham spewing the same old *****, pandering to idiots still holding such ignorant beliefs. While Webb actually seemed to be addressing real problems, and issues that should not have anything to do with politics.
"Don't put political words into the soldier's mouth" is a fantastic point. ***** you Graham, you don't know ***** about what one single troop honestly thinks. Webb is a true soldier, displaying loyalty to the soldiers years after his service.
Politicians like Graham make me feel physically ill. - madskillzdotcom, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18Classic: You go to Iraq and see a dog and pony show ... ROTFLMBO ...
- StMac, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14Best line: "My family has been doing this since the Revolutionary War!"
- Calann, on 10/11/2007, -4/+18Jim Webb should replace Harry Reid as senate majority leader.
- ubuntuedgy, on 10/11/2007, -6/+20I am fairly conservative and I think this site has a pretty good mix of everyone, even right-wing ***** like yourself who immediately claim someone is "liberal" if they disagree with you.
I don't think this site is "liberal" at all. It is pretty balanced. MOST people on this site are fairly open with regard to their political views. If anything, I would say the site is "moderate" with, again, extremists like yourself swimming around going ape-***** every once in awhile. - bluechips23, on 10/11/2007, -5/+17Graham is a dick.
- 3cho, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12I went to check out Webb's wikipedia page. Turns out he's a Navy Cross Recipient, here's what the citation reads:
The Navy Cross is presented to James H. Webb, Jr., First Lieutenant, U.S. Marine Corps, for extraordinary heroism while serving as a Platoon Commander with Company D, First Battalion, Fifth Marines, First Marine Division (Reinforced), Fleet Marine Force, in connection with combat operations against the enemy in the Republic of Vietnam. On 10 July 1969, while participating in a company-sized search and destroy operation deep in hostile territory, First Lieutenant Webb's platoon discovered a well-camouflaged bunker complex that appeared to be unoccupied. Deploying his men into defensive positions, First Lieutenant Webb was advancing to the first bunker when three enemy soldiers armed with hand grenades jumped out. Reacting instantly, he grabbed the closest man and, brandishing his .45 caliber pistol at the others, apprehended all three of the soldiers. Accompanied by one of his men, he then approached the second bunker and called for the enemy to surrender. When the hostile soldiers failed to answer him and threw a grenade that detonated dangerously close to him, First Lieutenant Webb detonated a claymore mine in the bunker aperture, accounting for two enemy casualties and disclosing the entrance to a tunnel. Despite the smoke and debris from the explosion and the possibility of enemy soldiers hiding in the tunnel, he then conducted a thorough search that yielded several items of equipment and numerous documents containing valuable intelligence data. Continuing the assault, he approached a third bunker and was preparing to fire into it when the enemy threw another grenade. Observing the grenade land dangerously close to his companion, First Lieutenant Webb simultaneously fired his weapon at the enemy, pushed the Marine away from the grenade, and shielded him from the explosion with his own body. Although sustaining painful fragmentation wounds from the explosion, he managed to throw a grenade into the aperture and completely destroy the remaining bunker. By his courage, aggressive leadership, and selfless devotion to duty, First Lieutenant Webb upheld the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and of the United States Naval Service.
That sounds like something out of a freakin' Rambo movie. Just awesome. - pintomp3, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11nice talking point, but it will judge us for starting this ***** in the first place.
- otakushark, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9I was glad to see both my Senators were in support of this measure. I encourage everyone to see where their elected officials stood on this and give them a heads-up about your anger if you disagreed with their stance and that you'll remember that when they're up for re-election.
- afastingartist, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11Hmm, lets compare the service of Lindsey Graham and James Webb. Lindsey Graham served as a JAG for several years as a starting point for his civilian career. His continued service in the military IS a dog and pony show. FFS, GWB promoted him to Col in 2004. It is nothing but a political ploy for the Rep Party and Sen Graham's re-election campaigns. James Webb served in Vietnam, then went to law school as a means to correct the injustice towards veterans that he saw after returning to the states.
Also, Naval Academy >> ROTC - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10Afghanistan war failed. The Taliban are resurgent, the country is run by warlords & is lawless everywhere except 100 km zone around Kabul, bin Laden is apparently still alive.. so what was the point of it, again? What makes it right? That the attackers had visited there? Bin Laden was also supported & given refuge by Pakistan, why don't we attack them? The people who attacked the US on 9/11 are a) all dead, and b) were Saudi Arabians. Why don't we make war on Saudi Arabia? Feel free to think about these things for a bit, if you dare.
- Plinkotic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Thinkprogress is indeed liberally biased. They say so. It's far from moderate, and no where NEAR fair. Unfortunately, they're kinda accurate. If only they'd be fair and aim at Dems too.
- noamsml, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8It's funny how Webb tries to make his point and Grahm launches into a series of political cliches in order to stop him.
- Kmack928, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10also,
Webb > Graham - harksaw, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8The funny thing is South Carolina is going to kick Graham out of office for not being right wing enough.
- pintomp3, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9you mean you don't wear a bullet-proof jacket and have an escort of soldiers when you go to the market? i thought that was normal in all liberated democracies.
- craiggroshek, on 10/11/2007, -7/+13Bring our troops hope, NOW. End this war, and all other wars. We don't need any more soldiers dying for lies. They should be home, defending our borders.
- Kmack928, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7seriously? just listening to him talk made me scared for the safety of our troops. did he offer any reason why he voted against the measure to allow our troops to be home for as long as they are in Iraq before a redeployment? no. he doesnt give a ***** about anything but his career and making his idealogical identicals happy. Webb is everything that is right with democrats, and graham is everything that is wrong with republicans. that you would agree with him, after watching this, is beyond my comprehension. its a ***** pity you can vote, your post seems so smart : /
- afastingartist, on 10/11/2007, -6/+12webb is an awful public speaker, but an awesome arguer.
- Goldbricker, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Thank you Jim Webb for bringing respectability back to politics in the Commonwealth of Virginia
- Kmack928, on 10/11/2007, -7/+12WAHH THE INTERNET IS FULL OF LIBERALS, WAHHH
god ***** dammit, you little conservative wimps don't do anything but piss and moan. make a valid ***** point, and stop crying about the points other people are making. serioiusly what the ***** do you want us to do? change our beliefs? only if you can convince us, not just because the balance is shifting. - STKD, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Inaccurate description. NOBODY is defending what this President is doing these days.
- milliebubba, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Re-think that, devan95. NONE of these bozos in Washington care about our troops. Go over to Veterans for Common Sense and just read some of the articles, particularly those that deal with the refusal to treat veterans AFTER their service. These men and women are disposable. And all the money that goes to support the wars is much more likely to go to a defense contractor to develop still another weapons system that is propping up still another defense company which has contributed to still another Congress critter. And please don't regurgitate republican talking points about "appeasement" and "surrender". We do not have a comparable government to negotiate with, so the "appeasement" argument is moot. Not to mention that historians of WWII have compared BUSH with Chamberlain (google around). You're going to have to explain to me how keeping our troops in Iraq as targets enhances the security of Iraq or the US. Many people have pleaded for years to pull our troops back...maybe even to Northern Iraq and to ships in the gulf...so that the Iraqis can pound this out and have a viable country. The sad truth is that WE ARE COLONIAL OCCUPIERS, whether the Iraqis like it or not. And they DON't like it. Their parliament has voted to ask us to leave. We have violated many international laws in meddling with their constitution and attempting to force privatization of national assets and the typical free-trade globalization nonsense on this country. We need to get out of Iraq and re-focus on Afghanistan...where, yesterday, the British Guardian/Observers report that NATO is about to suffer a "catastrophic failure"...with the very good possibility of causing the Pakistani government to fall, placing those nukes in the hands of Islamic extremists. Mr. Bush opened up a Pandora's box in the ME, and it's doubtful that even HOPE is left.
- Kmack928, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4can you tell me what we left behind in Vietnam? no. because no one ***** cares.
can you tell me what we left behind in korea? no. because no one ***** cares.
how about iraq the first time? whats history say about that? NOTHING
history?!?! we arent gonna keep killing our boys for no reason so "HISTORY" may hold us in higher regard. this is petty ***** *****. Webb doesnt want that, and neither does anyone who supports the troops.
NO ONE WILL CARE WHAT WE LEAVE BEHIND IN IRAQ.
more mindless rhetoric, dont you feel stupid quoting trash?
this is honestly 5th grade level *****, which is about on par with your IQ eh? - Kmack928, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4funny?
or sad? - tehpwnrate, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3By all other wars, I assume you didn't mean Afghanistan. If you don't see the value in Operation Enduring Freedom, you shouldn't be talking about wars and when to end them.
- Jamihabs, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I’m probably not going to change your mind on this and you will probably not change mine, but I don’t believe Graham is just trying to protect his job. He supported the immigration bill despite many on the right criticizing him for it and he supports staying in Iraq despite the majority of the people apposing it. He must be motivated by something ells.
I think the troops are capable of taking care of themselves and want nothing more than for all of us to get behind the mission they are trying to accomplish. I think that if we leave before the Iraq government can sustain itself, it will fall into chaos and we will probably need to go back under far worse conditions. I think Graham believes this too. - dmh11686, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5I'm not sure what you've been reading but Thinkprogress is not moderate at all. They have consistent attacks against republicans and anything right of center. But what shoud I expect from someone who uses right-wing *****.
- Mongo61, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4There was a White House reception for incoming lawmakers in November. It was there that some OTHER ***** showed the same insensitivity when Webb said he wanted his son to come home. Check it out:
http://thehill.com/under-the-dome/son-also-rises-in-testy-webb-bush-exchange-2006-11-29.html - rickrwh, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Don't forget Webb was also the Secretary of the Navy.
- Kmack928, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5understatement of the year : )
when i watched MTP today, I was hoping that this would hit Digg, because my God does this paint an accurate picture not only of Graham, but the idealogues dumb enough to still share his view. - JigoroKano, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2We left behind a free and democratic South Korea that is thriving now. I don't think the Korean War supports your argument given how North Korea turned out.
- milliebubba, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3So was he liberal when he was a Republican? He just switched to the Democratic Party because he was fed up with this bunch of morons and their trashing of this country, its traditions, and its honor. Heavily against free trade agreements which sell out our sovreignty. Against this war, although his son is serving in it...and serving in it...and serving in it. I've decided that your definition of "liberal" is anyone who disagrees with you.
- davenp35, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I'm a soldier who did two year-long tours in Iraq (OIF I and III) and I agree more w. Graham on this than Webb. Webb may be a veteran but he sold out his country and his fellow soldiers just like Murtha and Kerry. It amazes me that for the first time in the history of ANY nation patriotism means supporting our enemies, and keeping our soldiers from winning. Also supporting the troops now means not letting them fight our enemies. Newsflash: soldiers don't want that kind of "support". You voted for Bush and the Congress. They BOTH sent us to war. Now it's the job of the American people to support the troops through VICTORY and only victory. That's how it works. Saying you support the troops but not the war is the stupidist line I have ever heard and it's NOT possible to actually do.
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"This is one thing I really take objection to — may I speak? — is politicians who try to put their political views into the mouths of soldiers," Webb said over his opponent's interruptions. He placed his hand briefly on Graham's back, then jerked his thumb in the Republican's direction.
"Have you been to Iraq?" Graham demanded.
"I've covered two wars as a correspondent," Webb said. "I have been to Afghanistan as a journalist."
Graham: "Have you been to Iraq and talked to the soldiers?"
Webb: "You know, you've never been to Iraq, Lindsey."
The Republican pointed out he's been there seven times.
Who PWNED who here? - tehbishop, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Hey Civil War family guy, the "machinery" in DC already did what happened in Vietnam which was to put them into a place we had no business being in and then making it a political battle to bring our troops home when they ought not have been there in the first place. It's the same as it was, just the party that screwed our troops changed.
- milliebubba, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2The Spaz is back. Yawn.
- afastingartist, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2You have got to be kidding me. He wrote about something that he saw in the Orient. Would you rather he white-wash and write a paperback adaptation of Michael Bay's Pearl Harbor? Maybe if you actually read his books instead of listening to Allen's failed swiftboat you might see more clearly.
- milliebubba, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2But you trust Lynn Cheney, right, with her pornographic novels? And her desire to start a war with China?
- milliebubba, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1O would some power the giftie gie us/To see oursel's as ithers see us. Burns.
- Zarchon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Sorry Pinkotic, I am not a Christian. I am an athiest but I hate seeing bigots like yourself pick on Christians for no good reason.
- Plinkotic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Gotta agree Gutterpunk. Freepers is the sad last wall to.. well, watch crumble. Meh.
- milliebubba, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Uh. You don't see the shredding of our Constitution under this administration, Patriot44? Why? And today the Guardian/Observer in Britain is reporting that Afghanistan is at the point of "catastrophic failure" with the very real possibility of causing the same rolling failure into Pakistan. They blame the JOINT Operation Enduring Freedom mission and the NATO mission conflict and have caused the disaster approaching.
- IckyChris, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Damn. No wonder Cheney sought so many deferments. He would still be scraping the ***** out of his pants.
- ichbinladen, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2How does that ***** taste that you can't stop eating?
- ClosedCaption, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Best rebuttal by Graham: "Uh...So has mine, so there"
Graham brags about going to Iraq to and bringing home some "fabulous" rugs. *smh* - harrijs, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Webb, "Don't put political words into the soldier's mouth."
Graham, "Why? Did you have something else in mind that you want to put in their mouth?"
I find it interesting that Webb mumbles the whole time Graham is making his points, but when Graham tries to do the same Webb lashes out at him. Why won't these politicians call each other out on this kind of *****? As much as I can't stand him, they need to take a cue from Michael Moore during his interview with Wolf Blitzer. -
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