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- gab00n, on 10/12/2007, -60/+133Bush will drop a nuke somewhere in the US and blame it on some terrorists so he can declare martial law and officially form a police state/dictatorship. His latest bill actually pardons him for the 9/11 attacks and other war crimes, it's absolutely disgusting.
- sharpfork, on 10/12/2007, -6/+72google is your friend
SEC. 9. RETROACTIVE APPLICATION.
This Act shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act and shall apply retroactively, includingto any aspect of the detention, treatment, or trial of any
person detained at any time since September 11, 2001,
and to any claim or cause of action pending on or after
the date of the enactment of this Act.
Page 86 section
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:Z1aDw3wb2g4J:balkin.blogspot.com/Bush.Military.Commissions.Bill.pdft&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&lr=lang_en - johnnintendofri, on 10/12/2007, -22/+75ah V for Vandetta
I know I will leave if anything that serious happens. Japan is lookin quite nice... - Yez70, on 10/12/2007, -14/+58Careful, anyone who dugg or commented on this post will now be officially deemed threats to National Security. You (er we - ooops) will all be rounded up and put in the new US concentration camps, forced into slave labor producing propoganda for the rest of our lives.
Oh Noooos.... - rcflyr, on 10/12/2007, -8/+44Whoah, 24 season right here.
- Klisk, on 10/12/2007, -19/+52I'm an advocate of Canada.
- da5idblacksun, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35One can only hope ...
- dinobot, on 10/12/2007, -12/+43 Remember, remember, the 11th of September
The Towers, treason and plot,
I know of no reason why the Bush treason
Should ever be forgot. - aaronnohalo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+35They crossed the line when they chose to break the constitution.
- Gaius, on 10/12/2007, -14/+43Personally, I'll become truly concerned if Americans "elect" another president in '08 who will continue and expand upon the policies of the Bush administration.
I think this decade will become an unfortunate belch in United States history, and in '08 Americans will elect a smarter, wiser and more worthy president. From there, we'll clean up Bush Co's mess and again become a true leader in the world. It might take us another decade to clean up that mess, but we'll do it.
We're Americans. In the end, we won't allow our country to slide into a dictatorship or anything else that cuts into our founding principles. We have resisted that in the past, and will again resist that. Why should now be any different? - Garda, on 10/12/2007, -6/+32i think that the bush administration needed to change the law after having broken it so severely. They detained people at their base in Cuba illegally, without trial, and most likely tortured them. Not to mention what they have done in other parts of the world, and what they have outsourced to other people to do.
It's easy to follow the law when you are the one writing it. - da5idblacksun, on 10/12/2007, -13/+38Please direct to me what section of the the bill pardons him retroactively. I've been looking for that text.
- poohneat, on 10/12/2007, -10/+33did you RTFA ...
Try and connect what all he recommended..
i tried the first three and i was hoping to see a more informed discussion instead of people putting down blogging or blogger...
juvenile tactic #2 during arguement
Cast an aspersion on the character/nature of the person you are arguing with instead of breaking down the merits/content of his arguement
blah - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -9/+32"ah V for Vandetta
I know I will leave if anything that serious happens. Japan is lookin quite nice..."
In a few years Americans will be trying to get across the border into Mexico, while being hunted by automated gunships and cyborgs that look conspicuously like an ex-governor of California.
By then, New York City will have been cordoned off and made into a giant penal colony.
Now look at my avatar. - PopcornDave, on 10/12/2007, -6/+27Does anybody on Digg actually realize that the US is a Republic *NOT* a Democracy? Never has been.
Does anybody stay awake in civics classes anymore? Do they even teach civics anymore? - JesseJericho, on 10/12/2007, -8/+29If the "powers that be" have let this farce go on for this long, and have spent hundreds of billions of dollars doing it, do you honestly think they are just going to give up in 2008? This is a plan that extends far into the coming decades, if we actually make it there alive...
- scott1, on 10/12/2007, -15/+34And then he disbands the senate after the foolishly make him the supreme leader of the U.S. Overthrow the U.N. and it's member states governments with U.S. puppet governments and transforms the U.S. form a federal republic to an Empire with him as the Emperor of the Imperialist States of America.
- halosniper7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20hey, sorry if im wrong but didnt people start america because of these types of things?
- cannibaljp, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23(starts countdown until thread get labeled as inaccurate...)
and... GO! - bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19The trouble with the label "Conspiracy theorist" is that conspiracies *really* do happen ALL THE TIME.
Here in Australia we've got the AWB who funded Saddam, you lot had Enron, Karl Rove, you've had all the fallout from bribery scandals, AT&T conspiring with the US Govt to spy on you, torture coverups at abu ghraid, and subsequent admittions that this DID INDEED come from the top. (that is to say, those at the top did conspire to order torture, and they did conspire to have the little guys at the bottom take the fall)
Frankly, in the political world, most of the conpiracies aren't any longer theoretical. - dopyoman, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23I think Bush needs a blow job.
- JesseJericho, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18I think the conspiracy theorist "haters" are the crazy ones... They get so riled up about people asking questions, logical or not. It speaks volumes about the type of person they are. I would love to see the moment when one of them realizes the theory they were bashing was actually true, because I guarantee you 99% of the time, they "forget" they were opposed to it in the first place.
- Four20, on 10/12/2007, -8/+24We already did this, with Bush Sr/Clinton. Clinton. Except this time it's piled up twice as high.
And what happened after Clinton, we elected another Bush, TWICE. The States will go Democrate for 1, maybe 2 more elections, and then go back to the Republicans, and we will continue more of this BS.
I just hate it that we have 2 more years this with ***** nut. - sfacets, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Totally - the US is run by an elite and the populace is invited to make minor decisions... that's about it.
- perrygeo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."
Martin Niemöller - greymaxcat, on 10/12/2007, -8/+22I'll say it again...
Bush is Taking away rights... Bush causes the world to hate us... Bush caused 9/11... Bush causes Global Warming... Bush is in the pocket of Big Oil... Bush is stupid... Bush blew up the levies in Louisiana... Bush is insane... Bush is a dictator... Bush hates Black People... Bush wants to torture people... Bush will bring back the draft... Bush kills innocent people... Bush deserted the National Guard... Bush is Hitler...
After the first 100 or so accusations it just becomes background noise... - elpayo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15George Bush: "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier - just so long I'm the dictator." December 18, 2000
- polyfrolic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17The same attitude the good people in Germany had in 1935.
I really wish Americans started reading up on what really happened in Germany during that period. It is like a script of what has been happening in USA for the past five years. - cliffzdude, on 10/12/2007, -8/+22As an Old Fart Digg'r who is over 30 (Hello? Any body else here???) I have to input one point.
Each and every new generation of newly politically aware, and thankfully politically active people in the USA experience very similar feelings about politics and politicians.
As such I, though I disagree fully that our Democratic Republic has been disassembled and is now ruined, I do still revel in the younger generation actually giving a ***** about our Country. You see, such caring about our land is why we are not, and will not become a dictatorship. I'm not trying to prove a point per se, not trying to flame bait or use reverse psychology. Just sharing my thoughts.
So far as I've lived on this earth since the 60's, since I've been old enough to follow politics I've watched each and every President, save for that of Reagan grow government and grow the government's powers. Be it Democratic or Republican, we need another President with the balls to once again stand his/her ground and point out the government is all too powerful, that government is too big and too wasteful. No, we don't need to cut back on feeding the hungry, clothing the poor, or stop helping those who can't help themselves, don't assume I'm saying that, for I am not. We DO need to stop the bridges to nowhere, stop the overzealous grab of power from the States and localities where it belongs.
Ironically, in as much we pay most of our attention to the national political scene it isn't what changes our lives the most. What those fat cats are doing down at City Hall, now those ***** can truly but the kabosh on your life. To date the Bush administration has barely touched our daily lives. It may seem like it, as we read about what is happening in the world so much, with 24/7 cable news and the internet. But if those corrupt good old boys down at city hall want to get "theirs", they'll be happy to take your home and pay you under market value so they can put in a new strip mall. They'll be happy to change code to allow a mega low market go where nothing but quiet homes have been in the past. Hell, they'll buy up the land that mega low mart wants to build on before the public knows about its intentions.
Dictatorship? I don't think so, not while our populace is so fired up to keep the bastards on the left and on the right in line. - heavensblade23, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Any article that leans even slightly to the left or right is buried by the other side as innaccurate within hours. I don't even know why people bother posting political stories anymore.
- zkarcher, on 10/12/2007, -16/+29From the article:
"...within three years, I predict that Americans will be fighting Americans on American soil. Just a hunch. An eerie feeling of deja vu from someone who has seen the same signs fifteen years ago."
Interesting... I thought I was the only person suspecting a bloody civil war in the next few years... - l0th, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1615 years ago: he's talking about (ex-)Yugoslavia. Read his post.
- nixr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14I'd move to another country if I wasn't so terrified of our foreign policy.
- matts0344, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Yeah, except the problem is that we only get two ***** choices because not enough people will vote for a third canidate. So we're pretty much scewed because 99% of both democrats and republicans don't really care about anyone but themselves.
- sharpfork, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16digg chewed up the link- pdf:
http://balkin.blogspot.com/Bush.Military.Commissions.Bill.pdf - l0th, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15"This guy needs to learn how to summarize things to make his point"
Yeah, my head hurts, his stuff's too difficult. What is he again? With us or against us? Good or evil?
Man, not all ideas have to be simple, especially when you face a situation as complex as today. Looks like this post will go well beyond the head of those who need to understand it most, those who can't get an idea if it's not summarized. And they are unfortunately the majority... How do you think a guy like W. can get elected twice? - ashester, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I like how Bush said the Geneva Convention was vague but he says "the President has authority under the Constitution to take action to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States..." "...to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001 . . . in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.”
So he can take me off the street because I'm "suspected" of being a terrorist? Can he attack countries now that he "suspects" are harboring terrorists or having terrorist activities ("Use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations")? This is really absurd and really does not make me feel any safer at night. - DeadLikeMe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I want a timer next to the "inaccurate" label afixed to this story.
That way we can run a pool on how long it takes before the sticker appears. The winner will get the password to the paypal account the money was deposted in. - cell00, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16"One can only hope ..."
Well actually, you can vote too! Hopefully... - Mikesfedup, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11 The dictatorship arguement is real because the interpretations of the Constitution are being skewered to fit whatever Bush's AG, Albert Gonzales, can misinterpret to Congress and the Congress has been rubber stamping everything, giving Bush more power as a consequence.
The false war on terror has been the pretext for all of this since the rationale argued by Gonzales has been the War Powers Act that gives the president the right to declare war on whomever He wants. Congress has to approve, and they have, frequently.
Only Congress has been granted this power by the Constitution, not the President, but that has been changed. Since going to war in Iraq was a HUGE lie, that would make it illegal, same with Afghanistan, and perhaps Iran or Syria, if it happens.
So where is the opposition party? And where are the watchdog media? Where is the true fighters to keep an eye on the government at all times?
We now have a torture bill just passed, that qaulifies us as a terrorist state/nation.
A war on terror? The Bush administration is a terrorist government.
Remember what He said? "You are with us or you are with the terrorists."
In that context if you don't agree with him, then that makes dissenters."Terrorists"
Passage of the Patriot Act allowed this government to spy on its own people "legally", what other reason could there have been for the Patriot Act? It does nothing to stop terrorism, but yet it was the first thing the government did right after 9/11.
Does anybody think that those who push for War don't make any money? Do those who go into battle make any money? Our guys are now in Iraq and Afghanistan fighting who now? Who is now or has benefited from these wars? Is Iraq in better shape now than it was 4 years ago? Are We in better shape than We were 5 years ago? You want to surrender your rights for security? Do you think once you leave your security in the hands of the government, then the government can enslave you in the name of security? You certainly will have to give up your rights to ensure that power into the hands of government.
In fact, once you trade your liberty, you'll never see that security. You're going to receive tyranny, in spades!. . .You're being searched at airports. You'll soon be
searched on buses, trains, and subways. Eventually, you'll be searched on the streets."
The Constitution already provids to protect us against these abuses of power for the people against enemies FOREIGN and..DOMESTIC. The Patriot Act waters it down.
Our biggest enemy right now is the government. - erkokite, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Me and my friend noticed something similar the other day. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me (not a history expert by any means) that The United States is behaving like the former Soviet Union in some respects, particularly in the amount of money spent, by both the consumer and the government(although in the Soviet Union, it was obviously the government that did most spending). Our country seems to be hemorrhaging money. Now granted, the Soviet Union had other problems as well, such as severe public dissatisfaction and dissent that was allowed to amplify with the Glasnost policy, but when it all comes down to it, it probably was mostly a money issue.
- stampy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16You guys never took Political Science I see. The president can't do jack without Congress. Congress controls the purse strings. Without appropriations bills that provide the necessary spending money for military action, the president can order troops to war, but they won't have any money to get there or to manufacture bullets, etc. The problem isn't that we have a dictatorship. The problem is that the same political party controls every branch of government, and therefore provides no checks and balances. The only government that properly checks itself is one in which different political parties run the Legislative, Executive and Judicial branches. Until the Dems take back at least one house of Congress, expect your rights to be trampled in the name of your protection.
- stonebear, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Interesting bit about George Washington renouncing torturing the British soldiers. A lot of people today don’t realize that the British army brutalized soldiers and civilians alike. As a means of making an example, no punishment was too extreme for rebels. It was British policy that neither the rules of war, nor the protection of civil law applied to them. Any Americans who would not actively join the king’s cause were considered rebels, and were treated as such, though it usually meant losing their lives to the rebels if they did.
When Britain Invaded the US, 60% of Americans still considered themselves Englishmen, and expected to remain so. Like the British king, they were fully anticipating the British army would quickly set things back to normal, and colonial life would go on as usual after the brief hick-up in the natural order of things.
Were they ever surprised. The British behaved exactly like the US has in Iraq, quickly losing that 60% to sheer, unrestrained arrogance. As they murdered, tortured, looted, and destroyed their way to defeat, the British army proved to everyone that the rebels were right about resisting British tyranny. It was not long before the British found themselves in the midst of a permanent, and very expensive, guerrilla war in which their overwhelming might was ultimately useless. So hot did righteous hatred burn in the heart of ordinary Americans, the British could win battles, but never the war.
And to see the British army in the service of yet another would be emperor named George, in exactly the same kind debacle, over 200 years later is astonishing. It’s true what they say about those who don’t learn from history. - glock22ownr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I hope you are right... but all I see is apathetic teenagers that can only think about MySpace and rap music... personally I am worried that you and I are a dying breed my friend... there aren't many that can think for themselves anymore :-/
And yes... we did have 2 crappy choices last time... - comedianX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12The problems with articles like this is even if they make valid points (which I think it does) most people will just tune it out because of extreme hyperbole in the headlines and article that most people know aren't true.
- DrunkenPirate34, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Since when is anything in a blog "Official"?
- tehgooch, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I would not be surprised at all if Bush somehow became the emperor of the United States. Anything we do now makes little difference. Essentially the state is having a massive heart attack and you suggest "tweaking its diet"? Lunacy.
People will either wake up to the immorality of the state and become dirty anarchists or we'll get another USA experiment which will implode in a few hundred years again. It amuses me to see minarchists say that if we just had a small government it would all work out. We already tried that--it hasn't worked. - neozeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+97 trillion+ national debt. Our housing market is about to pop now that interest rates have increased (the last few years 0% principal mortgages are en Vogue, not to mention Arm's) which means peoples monthly payments will go up quite a bit.
So its time to spend spend spend consumer comrade! Tomorrow doesn't look so hot. - neozeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9May I suggest http://digg.com/view/technology ?
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