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- oldhick, on 05/01/2008, -13/+60What would the media have to talk about? McCain hardly knows Hagee. I challenge you guys to list the amount of time the two have spent together... Come on, McCain "courted" Hagee for over a year right???
The reality is that McCain has already distanced himself from Hagee and has publicly admitted that he hadn't researched Hagee enough. Source - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/us/politics/08ha ...
Trying to compare Hagee/McCain with Wright/Obama is simply stupid. First, as swrostmore incorrectly pointed out, Wright WAS on Obama's campaign staff, specifically his African American Religious Leadership Committee. Wright left the campaign because he knew he would be controversial. Source - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/14/jeremiah- ...
So you have a close personal friend, mentor, and spiritual adviser who served on your campaign and you're comparing that to McCain who simply wanted evangelicals to vote for him??? That's ***** retarded.
Check this out people. There are a million OTHER reasons to not vote for McCain. Why are Obama fans so stupidly trying to draw this comparison? First, just except that Obama took a hit about Wright. It certainly hurt his campaign. But he WILL move on and move forward. Issues come up all the time and you deal with them and progress. Trying to play the "but, but, but McCain has a bad friend too" card is just childish.
Hit McCain where it hurts. Point out that he has no real energy plan at all. Focus on his ridiculous summer gasoline tax break. Hit him with his fiscally irresponsible position of continuing tax cuts while dramatically increasing spending. Focus on his war mongering and support of torture and detainment of combatants without legal representation. Hit him on his failed immigration amnesty plan.
Seriously people, there is no shortage of reasons to screw over McCain. If religion is your thing and you really want to hit McCain on religion, talk about how obviously contrived his new found faith is. In the 2000 election he didn't have the support of the religious right. He wasn't going to church and he publicly denounced Pat Roberston and Jerry Falwell. Guess what? Magically between 2000 and 2008 he's found god and he magically has the support of the religious right. If you can't see how hollow his faith is and how politically contrived his new religious views are then you're a moron. - The_Red_Monkey, on 05/01/2008, -8/+35Hagee was not a member of McCain's campaign, he was not his spiritual adviser and McCain was not a member of his church for 20 years and Hagee did not marry McCain and his wife and did not baptize his kids and did not inspire the name for McCain's book.
- Idiggapony, on 05/01/2008, -5/+26This is totally absurd. Digg's abundant Obama supporters have, apparently, gone completely off of the deep end.
Hagee isn't McCain's pastor. He's a far-right evangelical pastor who endorsed McCain. I'm sure a lot of very bad people have endorsed both candidates. McCain reportedly sought Hagee's endorsement actively, and I think less of him because of that. But the comparison with Obama and Wright is absolutely, positively, 100% ridiculous, and the Obamatons only make themselves and their candidate look weaker by trying to invent some kind of similarity.
A few comments above, oldhick posted some potential attacks on McCain that would make a lot more sense. Why not try some of those? - THETEH, on 05/01/2008, -6/+24The media is making this Wright ***** out to be the most important issue of the 2008 election. I could have sworn that there were some issues that mattered a bit more than what Obama or McCain's pastors/friends/old busdrivers have said in the past. This is ridiculous.
- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -22/+37b-b-b-but... LIBERAL MEDIA!!!!!
- oldhick, on 05/01/2008, -14/+28He's not John McCain's pastor dip *****. He's just a pastor that has endorsed McCain. Hagee lives in San Antonio, Texas. McCain lives in Phoenix, Arizona. John McCain attends North Phoenix Baptist Church.
- jmpeagle, on 05/01/2008, -3/+13an endorsement from a crazy Christian is more harmful to a democrat than to a Republican. GOP candidates loves getting endorsement from people like Jerry Falwell, but that would be almost political suicide for a Democrat. Obama's pastor is news, McCain's isn't.
- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -8/+17If by "nothing to do with" you mean working directly for Obama's campaign on one of the campaign committees, then you are correct.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/14/obama.minis ... - jiqiren, on 05/01/2008, -1/+10The New York Times and The Washington Post want to sell more papers and get generate more traffic on their websites. Talking trash about McCain isn't going to help them increase the number of "non-liberal readers"... and it isn't like all the "liberal readers" are going to move on to foxnews.com from all the bad Obama press...
- rewinn, on 05/01/2008, -2/+8Technically, McCain SAYS he's against torture. And he should know by personal experience that torture doesn't yield good intel.
But how does he VOTE?
He had the chance to vote for a law forbidding the CIA to torture (arguably, it's already illegal but since Bush was ignoring that law, Congress tried to pass an additional law.) McCain voted not to outlaw torture.
Actions speak louder than words. - cubicledrone, on 05/01/2008, -0/+5What's the current real unemployment rate? Why has the average inflation-adjusted wage decreased in the U.S. since 1972? Can we talk about the ***** this country has become and fix it, please, instead of inventing more names to call the "right" and "left?" Right vs. left is what is ***** this country up.
- LastVisibleDog, on 05/01/2008, -3/+8This is one of the reasons it looks more and more like McCain will be our next president. Seems all the Democrat Party has to offer is male bovine fecal matter. Given Bush's record, this should not even be close - but leave it to the Democrat party to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Clue to the clueless lefties: Obama has being going the Wrights church for 20 fricken years, Wright married Obama (and his wife), and Obama even titled the book about his life from a speech made by Wright. Hagee is one of tens of thousands that endorse McCain.
Lefties - get a clue and try again
(MediaMatters is a leftist propaganda organization funded by Hillary to smear all things non-left-wing) - Troika37, on 05/01/2008, -2/+7So Johnny Mac spent 20 years going to this guy's church? He had his kids baptized by him? How about his wedding? This guy SURELY performed that, right?
wait... it's just that double-standard again. - TheSwashbuckler, on 05/01/2008, -4/+8He's more than that. He's a pastor who's endorsement the McCain campaign specifically sought...
- asus2000, on 06/30/2008, -0/+4This is nothing compared to what they did burying Ron Paul. The news isn't news, it's propaganda, and the sooner everyone figures that out the better.
- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -9/+13Shut up Obama trail and fault deniers. For every weak/lame article I read on how stuff isn't fair for Obama I ignore a real article on how Obama might not be a bad guy. He's never accomplished anything, and his wife and pastor suck. Double sit on that.
- Sogui, on 05/01/2008, -7/+11NYT published a story on McCain about an unproven unverified series of events between him and a lobbyist, insinuating an affair. If that story passed muster for the NYT, I can only imagine how devoid this story must be of merit for them not to follow it any further.
- mrsteveman1, on 05/01/2008, -3/+7Not to mention pat robertson, mr "gays and lesbians cause terrorism" himself
- mrsteveman1, on 05/01/2008, -3/+7LastVisibleDog=***** insane
- DrTreez, on 05/01/2008, -0/+4All these statistics show is that Obama vs. Hillary is more newsworthy than McCain at the moment. McCain will get is chance in the spotlight soon enough.
- swrostmore, on 05/01/2008, -0/+4I thought it was funded by the Antichrist, George Soros
- Idiggapony, on 05/01/2008, -1/+5Why did McCain say he welcomed Hagee's support? Because McCain is a moderate politician who was not popular with the far-right Republican base, as a result of his centrist positions on a number of issues, including his support for gay rights. In order to try to make himself more popular with the Republican base, and therefore better positioned to win the Republican primary, McCain suddenly started pandering to the party's evangelical constituency.
Seriously, "the far-right extremist" approach is just not a fruitful way to go attacking McCain. He's just not that candidate. - Hetman, on 05/01/2008, -1/+5I agree also. The republicans pander to the Evangelists. It is one of the biggest voting blocks in america. And they vote in number and always vote for who gets endorsed by their leading pastor at the time. Be it Hagees or farwell when he was a live.
- Sogui, on 05/01/2008, -6/+9Like someone said above, one was his spiritual mentor for 20 years, the other was a Televangelist that McCain barely knew, met with once to discuss the endorsement and McCain's position on Israel... and then has distanced himself with ever since after admitting he didn't do enough research.
McCain just wanted more support from the right and picked out a bad apple of a pastor without doing his research, that's entirely different from what's happening with Obama and Wright. Not to say that that isn't overblown either.
The reason it's not "all over the news" is because there's no story here, the news cycle behind this story has already taken its course... the NYT has already proven that if there's even a hint of scandal with McCain that they'll publish it... so there must literally be no merit left to this story for them not to have covered it any further. - thescimitar, on 05/02/2008, -0/+3I'm not interested in defending Obama here, but I believe he has attended Trinity for twenty years, and has been running for President for two years. That's significantly different from the McCain example. Moreover, Trinity Church is located in Illinois' 1st Congressional district. Barack Obama was elected to the Illinois State Senate from the 13th. Granted, they are adjacent districts, but Trinity is quite a distance from the 13th.
- sodade, on 05/01/2008, -0/+3I think you are on to something here. There are no conspiracies - just follow the money.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 05/01/2008, -2/+5Nice low blow, but I'm used to it. McCain is a liberal..... especially when comapred to a conservative. He's like a 1960's Democrat
- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -2/+5@swrostmore, find me a quote from Obama prior to 2006 where he says he doesn't agree with all his views. Obama started distancing himself as soon as he started running for President.
- TheSwashbuckler, on 05/02/2008, -1/+4Wow, you're calling McCain a liar?!
STEPHANOPOULOS: A lot of Senator Obama’s allies and others say
that you should condemn the comments of Reverend John Hagee, an
evangelical pastor…
MCCAIN: Oh, I do. And I did. I said, any comments that he made
about the Catholic church I strongly condemn, of course.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Yet you solicited and accepted his endorsement?
MCCAIN: Yes, indeed. I did. And I condemned the comments that
he made concerning the Catholic church.
http://thepage.time.com/transcript-of-mccain-on-ab ... - NelsonR, on 05/01/2008, -0/+3Just look at the PUNDITS on T.V. Pat Buchanan, James Carvile, Matilin Carvile, Hannity and Colmes (Can't count Colmes, pathetic) the media does not want Change or hope, they want the status to stay the same, they are part of the upper crust that act righteous and fair.
All supposed preachers, priest, rabbi's, Imams etc. are human with human frailties but try and tell a religious person that? They are not saints, they are not pious yet they intrude into the political arena. Simple solution, start taxing the religious organizations who delve within politics and I mean in any fashion whatsoever. TAX THEM. Hell, some will say, "HOLD ON THERE", how am I going to go to heaven if I tax my church? My answer, instead of avowing piety be pious and your god will be next to you in the end. Sick of hearing about Wright, sick of our media's bias's, sick of all the sanctimonious crap intruded into our lives without the news really being fair and balanced. No pun intended, O"Reilly is a joke and phone sick. - masterm1nd, on 05/01/2008, -2/+5Lol, the controversy has nothing to with an invisible friend.
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 05/01/2008, -2/+5How is McCain conservative.... he wants to stay in Iraq longer than the others? Because that's the only thing I can come up with.... although I can't remember what he thinks about abortion not that I care.
- pintomp3, on 05/01/2008, -2/+5one guy said 9/11 was a result of our aggressive and interventionist for foreign policy. the other guy said it was because of the gays. who's the crazy one again?
- kipmartin, on 05/01/2008, -2/+5assigning numbers is silly. its like saying the Beatles are 40% better than the Rolling Stones. it does not compute unless n=quantifiable variable. what swrostmore is saying is this: Obama is better than the other two (a), who are better than bush (b). if thats the case, obama is better than clinton and mccain and they are better than bush, then a+b=c where c = STFU.
QED. - wacki, on 05/01/2008, -1/+4Obama used this man, who claims the US invented what was originally called 'Gay-related immune deficiency' to kill black people, as a spiritual adviser for 20 years. I don't know about you, but most people don't use spiritual advisers as taxi cab drivers. Spiritual advisers are professionals that give you professional advice on life. Obama decided that Wright would be his *sole professional-spiritual* adviser for 20 years. Like it or not, in most situations, it says a lot about ones core beliefs.
- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -5/+8Butt.... interesting news!! There is nothing less interesting to a white guy then some crackpot redneck preacher. Now show me a black preacher that blames me and whitey for all his problems or actually says in words Damn America. Theres news. Because I thought after reading the Obama fanatics crap and spam day and night that all black people were holy and pure. Wright proved you wrong.
- TheSwashbuckler, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2He repudiates Hagee's views, but he sought Hagee's endorsement. Ya gotta love the irony in ttat.
- inactive, on 05/01/2008, -1/+3On the upside, it's a hell of quick read.
- oldhick, on 05/01/2008, -1/+3@swrotsmore - thats true and a valid point. I'm just still confused why people care so much about McCain and Hagee when McCain is weak across the board. The only reason Obama is getting nailed on it is because he's doing pretty well with everything else!
- mxmj, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2Bush is a conservative? I seem to recall a very, very, large expansion of the federal government over the last 8 years.
- mabenson, on 05/01/2008, -1/+31. McCain had won a week after they started counting, while the democrats are still fighting. Makes more sense to talk about Obama.
2. Theres a big difference between a terrible pastor endorsing McCain and a terrible pastor being one of Obama's most trusted friends. - pintomp3, on 05/01/2008, -0/+2he didn't say white people created it, he said the government did. the context was that government's lie:
“The government lied about the Tuskegee experiment. They purposely infected African American men with syphilis. Governments lie. The government lied about bombing Cambodia and Richard Nixon stood in front of the camera, ‘Let me make myself perfectly clear…’ Governments lie. The government lied about the drugs for arms Contra scheme orchestrated by Oliver North, and then the government pardoned all the perpetrators so they could get better jobs in the government. Governments lie. The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. Governments lie. The government lied about a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein and a connection between 9.11.01 and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Governments lie.”[
what exactly is the context for saying tolerance of gays caused 9/11? - Pillage, on 05/01/2008, -0/+2What ever happened to no coverage is bad coverage?
- Pillage, on 05/01/2008, -2/+4"I can no more disown him [wright] than I can my white grandmother"
- NonLeftistDiggr, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2Obama, is that you??!!!
- pintomp3, on 05/01/2008, -2/+4even worse was their push for the iraq war:
Pulitzer Prize winner Judith Miller’s series of exclusives about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq—courtesy of the now-notorious Ahmad Chalabi—helped the New York Times keep up with the competition and the Bush administration bolster the case for war. How the very same talents that caused her to get the story also caused her to get it wrong.
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/media/features/9226/ - NonLeftistDiggr, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2Definitely, that's why I want to vote moderate..... which is apparently Ralph Nader, Dennis Kusinsnatch, Barbara Boxer, etc....
- JurisAnonimus, on 05/02/2008, -0/+2WTF?? This story makes no sense. How does a mere endoresment from a televangilist equate to having a specific pastor for 20 years? I see how mediamatters.org is trying to mislead everyone. And it has worked. Lots of suckers in this thread.
I endorse Obama, but we should win on the merits, not based upon dishonesty. Mediamatters.org is trash. - Shuukyoku, on 05/01/2008, -2/+4Could we please just get one President who doesn't feel the need to talk back to the voices in their head? I mean, George Bush didn't get successful until he signed up with the Evangelicals, and now McCain is going down the same path of darkness. Look at that and tell me that Christians don't have this country by the political short hairs.
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