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- pimpbot1979, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9964% of Florida Americans strongly believe that Florida Americans, such as, should not be allowed to participate in opinion polls. 36% Immediately saw the irony and walked away.
- Jexie, on 10/10/2007, -12/+76So when is the US going to drop this 'land of the free' ***** from the national anthem...why pretend anymore?
- UglieJosh, on 10/10/2007, -7/+55Look, you are either on the red team or the blue team. You are not allowed to question why you are on said team or to know what it stands for. Your recent dissent from the party lines has forced us to forbid you from even having your own opinions.
Keep it up and we will be forced to start voting for you.
...Oh wait, we are Florida and we already do that! - whataboutdave, on 10/10/2007, -11/+32 I have no problem with the ban. This is to prevent "push polling". Nobody is being denied the right to vote, and a source of opinion manipulation is cut off.
- Jeffmr1, on 10/10/2007, -6/+25I have to agree with this move. A politician should run his campaign on what he expressly believes and not what the polls say the people believe.
- TenebrousX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14Which Florida? THE Florida?
- jellygraph, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15how dare campaigners understand what issues "the common folk" are most concerned about! what are you, a democracy? *spits*
- Mist0r_Wiggles, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11
Wait... how is this constitutional? What ever happened to free speech? What do you mean they can't go around asking people about what they think? - big3fan, on 10/10/2007, -8/+18you make it painfully obvious you didn't read the article....just the headline,it has no reference to on line polling....please learn to read the whole article before you comment
after all you don't want to sound like miss south Carolina ???? - kufu91, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11what if a politician believes in representing voters?
(oh wait, how many of those exist?) - Matthew720, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Such as.
- hiphoc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Everything changed after 9/11 / sarcasm
- actorboy, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11Keep up, man. You're not spending enough time on Digg.
- unknownpoltroon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Is this going to include exit polls? To make sure that there's none of those little "polls don't match the actual vote" problem they had in the past? Lets see if Ohio does the same thing before the next election.
Also, isn't this covered by the first amendment? - sullyz0r, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Yeah, except that a politician's job is to represent.
- NickDG, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8The state that stuck us with the Bush disaster . . .
- airwalkery2k, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Maybe you aren't aware of how subjective polls are. You can ask questions in many different ways to the same people and get different results. Wording a poll like "Do you support an expansion at the local school and other neighborhood projects by allowing a 0.2% rise in property taxes?" will net you different results than if you asked "Do you want to pay more in property taxes?". Both may be about the same issue, but you can obviously see the bias in the wording.
By relegating polling to third parties, accurate results can be given to government officials, media, and the people. - manfrin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6It's not really like political opinion really mattered in Florida anymore.
- Bdog2g2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6well to his credit he didn't use the following words/phrases:
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Asian countries - Marc39, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5"Is this going to include exit polls?"
NO, it's only for political committees and parties. Read the article people and don't be fooled by the poster's title. You'll still have plenty of polls from the media.
Polls from PACs et al are always full of loaded questions and skewed results anyway. - shampoovta, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Yes, questioning is pre 9/11 thinking. 2+2=5 or do you want the face eating rats again?
- Bdog2g2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5"Florida Americans = Floridians?"
Never thought I'd see this, but there is someone who hasn't' seen Ms Teen S. Carolinas ingenious speech. But then that could have been a joke....it so hard to tell on digg these days. - geekee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Apparently, the law has been on the books for decades
FTA:
"We were simply asking about how do we go about cooperating with another political committee," said Jon Kislak, chairman of Florida Red and Blue, one of several committees opposed to a ballot initiative to ban gay marriage.
"We got an answer that political committees for decades in Florida have operated contrary to law." - KMye, on 10/10/2007, -6/+10Florida Americans = Floridians?
- Popperian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I kind of agree with this.
The problem was GOP people were calling up asking questions like "What do you think about the incident with Obama and the boy in the bathroom?"
They weren't asking people questions with the intent to learn about their views. They were asking questions with the intent of spreading made-up scandals and things to voters and loop holes in the laws allowed them to do this. - PhillAholic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Hmm, interesting rule. One the one hand, I'm against anything the government limits us. However they aren't limiting us, they are limited the presidential candidates. They have to follow rules to get elected, so I guess that's ok. And since people like Mitt Romney and Hilary Clinton apparently just go around, see what voters want to hear then say that from state to state, this seems like a great way to weed out the fakes and actually have meaningful canidates.
- Harboggles, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4This is a great idea. Americans take too much issue with the "bandwagon" effect meaning they vote for the person they think is going to win based on polling not because the candidate supports this or that. Political Theory 101 right there.
- swrostmore, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5The real question is, is this a Rovian tactic designed to benefit Republicans? Considering the government of florida and their past election tactics, I wouldn't be surprised.
- supermanred, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Is the TV telling undereducated people that they should only vote for the top 2 on their opinion poll constitutional?
And who cares, to quote your President "Stop throwing the constitution in my face, it's just a damn peice of paper." - GafferXL, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6Unconstitutional, much?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3how can we get less ***** comments on digg?
florida should ban TJATL - Shadowhawk109, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3SUCK IT, BLUE! I MEAN RED!
-Simmons, Red vs Blue - appetite, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I see problems with it, but I also see the motivation behind it. Push polling is a dishonest way of associating candidates with things people already dislike.
I also am sick hearing what everyone else thinks. Give me facts, then I'll make a decision. I'll express that opinion through a vote. Polls only report an aggregate of raw opinions. Should that really matter? The facts matter. The arguments matter. But a sum of all opinions? I don't see how that should influence my opinion.
But I do foresee some problems with this outright ban. - maskedm564, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Yeah, now its more like "land that WAS free"
- shampoovta, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2 That is like the letter we all get about winning some fake lottery "IF you have the winning number you have won 100,000$. If is such a small and dangerous word.
- swrostmore, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Several people have commented about "Push Polls," so I wiki'd it: "Perhaps the most famous alleged use of push polls is in the 2000 United States Republican Party primaries, when it was alleged that George W. Bush's campaign used push polling to torpedo the campaign of Senator John McCain. Voters in South Carolina reportedly were asked "Would you be more likely or less likely to vote for John McCain for president if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?", an allegation that had no substance, but planted the idea of undisclosed allegations in the minds of thousands of primary voters"
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Very good point! The foundation for a good democracy is that you and I go into a voting booth and vote on the candidates that are most likely to support my opinion on the issues. Public opinion polls, of any nature and on any level serve no purpose except to enrage, or bolster confidence (depending which side of the issue you're on).
I am personally a conservative, but I have some great liberal friends. We all decided, after the 2004 presidential election, that opinion polls are not a worthy source of true fact and information. If they were indeed accurate, we would have seen a democratic president win by a decent margin. - Kyderdog, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2GOP=Greedy old people
- xister, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Yes! These answers are double plus good! You'd better get in line mist0r wiggles.
- DooM, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Then your local paper can pay for a poll as they frequently do. With no 'under the table' payments from political candidates allowed.
- xister, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Speaking of complaining- you coulda hit the reply button, you know...
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I have dual citizenship... with the United States and Florida.
http://www.zippyvideos.com/1724137434366366/snl-census - crestfall, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1*****
- xister, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Push polls are bad, mmmmkay?
- xister, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1oops
- erissiva, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Don't forget!
This also means that people who aren't on the red or blue team can't have a public face in the media. Better join one of the bigger teams, eh?
(Ron Paul - you're still getting all my support) - DooM, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Wrong. Your local newspaper can still poll people and report on public opinion. They just can't get money from politicians to do it which prevents push polling and vote manipulation.
- xister, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1If I read this correctly, this has nothing to do with constitutional rights. A decade or two back, corporations and companies alike argued successfully in court that they had the same rights as individuals, (freedom of speech, etc.) and that has washed over into public opinion. A company or business (or campaign) as an entity should not operate under the same rules set up for individual freedoms. This is why there's a difference in freedom of speech and freedom of the press. The press is the only business in the country that has that specific freedom. If you want to go out as an individual and poll people in Fla. go ahead- I doubt they'll stop you. But if you're part of a political organization or company that has obvious ties to politics, you'll probably not be allowed to. And I don't have a problem with that.
- xister, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Actually....
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/03/15/election-law.html - inactive, on 10/29/2007, -0/+1Are the Republican neo-cons driving this agenda neo-fascist? Dr. Lawrence Britt, a political scientist, published research on fascism in which he examined the fascist regimes of Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Suharto and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each fascist State:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarceration of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists; terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military are glamorized.
5. Rampant sexism - The government of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are intertwined - Government in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation are often the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated, or are severely restricted.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassinations of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Benito Mussolini - who knew something about fascism - had a more straightforward definition: “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.”
Abraham Lincoln stated, “I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me, and causes me to tremble for the safety of our country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people, until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the republic is destroyed.” -
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