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WH Admits: No Email Backup Tapes From Start of Iraq War
motherjones.com — The White House acknowledged in a court filing last night that it no longer has backup tapes of email from between March 1, 2003 and May 22, 2003, a period that includes the beginning of the Iraq war. How convenient!
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- neognostic, on 05/07/2008, -16/+3Nice
- Rotzooi, on 05/07/2008, -26/+3Very smart of them. Kudos!
- portnoy, on 05/07/2008, -4/+16Hey, it worked for Nixon with his erased audiotapes didn't it? You got to hand it to the Bush administration, they do learn from the best.
- BlacklabelSAR, on 05/07/2008, -3/+8So you are not about obeying the law, it's about "your side" winning? So if your agenda is not about America being a nation of laws, and honest representation of We the People, then what is it? Christian Jihad?
- portnoy, on 05/07/2008, -4/+16Hey, it worked for Nixon with his erased audiotapes didn't it? You got to hand it to the Bush administration, they do learn from the best.
- chicofaraby, on 05/07/2008, -3/+116I guess the questions then becomes; why did the White House knowingly break the law and who will hold them accountable?
I don't expect that either will be answered.- inajeep, on 05/07/2008, -2/+8The CIO Theresa Payton who made the decision will get fired if she isn't already gone.
http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/bush-lost- ...- Waiting2awake, on 05/07/2008, -3/+15Who wants to bet that if she is removed she will fall up the corporate ladder?
- BlacklabelSAR, on 05/07/2008, -2/+7Yep, another sign of Corporate Fascism.
- Waiting2awake, on 05/07/2008, -3/+15Who wants to bet that if she is removed she will fall up the corporate ladder?
- WilliamDavis, on 05/07/2008, -4/+10I guess the questions then becomes; why did the White House knowingly break the law? - Because it's easier
and who will hold them accountable? - Absolutely nobody.- zeusthemoose, on 05/07/2008, -2/+4And that is the sad pathetic reality of what this nation has become: Absolutely nothing.
- sremick, on 05/07/2008, -2/+12Even if they were punished, the punishment for breaking the data-retention laws is on orders of magnitude less-severe than the punishment of what that data contained.
Making sure there were no backup tapes was a calculated risk. - dexter411, on 05/07/2008, -4/+5The Bush administrator was brilliant by carefully calculating a mischievous excuse for an unnecessary and politically-motivated war that convinced most Democrats as well as the [liberal] mainstream media.
and
The Bush administration was dumb enough to simply erase backup tapes rather than editing their contents.
Do you guys really believe this *****?- Memitim, on 05/07/2008, -3/+3I'm not one for conspiracy theories but it is a damned sight easier to erase backups then to scour thousands and thousands of emails for information that you would prefer others didn't see. The one inside tech needed to kill the tapes is a hell of a lot easier to keep quiet than the legion of staffers needed for such an undertaking. Seems like it would be a lot smarter to accept the risk of being caught improperly maintaining backups then to be caught organizing a massive revision effort, regardless of the threat presented by what is actually in the emails.
- dexter411, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2Assumptions made by the conspiracy theory:
- There was important information in those emails
- The administration decided it was worth the risk of obstruction of justice to erase the tapes
- The administration didn't assume people would get suspicious over said tapes going missing
- The administration could have conspired to simply erased offending emails, but decided to include even the routine WH.gov emails, as well, for some unknown reason.
Assumptions made by the official account:
- Tape backups are fallible
It seems ironic that the same crowd that criticizes religions for using Intelligent Design to explain life (i.e. not first starting with observations and then building up to a theory) gladly apply the same flawed logic to anything that floats their political boat.
- dexter411, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2Assumptions made by the conspiracy theory:
- glycolized, on 05/07/2008, -2/+4Anyone that uses the phrase "liberal media" in 2008 is a total jackass. You think the "liberal" media will give any press time to this crap compared to, say, Monica Lewinsky?
- dexter411, on 05/07/2008, -2/+2I'll assume you've never seen MSNBC.
- chicofaraby, on 05/07/2008, -2/+2I have. It looks just as right wing as every other corporate media source. Did you have a point?
- dexter411, on 05/07/2008, -2/+2Hahahahaha...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/
Includes great gems like "Worst Person in the World" (GW Bush more often than not) and headlines such as "Bush put telecoms ahead of citizens." Damn those right wing networks... - chicofaraby, on 05/07/2008, -2/+3Oh yeah, MSNBC is Olbermann's show 24/7. I forgot. My bad.
- dexter411, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2Well according to TV.com, his show is on for 3 hours a day, every day. 12.5% of the network is radical; another 80% or so is liberal based on the Obama-loving.
- chicofaraby, on 05/08/2008, -2/+3"based on the Obama-loving"
Certainly not based on reality. GE isn't exactly "liberal." - dexter411, on 05/08/2008, -2/+2GE doesn't have to be. Newsweek is. So is MSNBC. So is Joe Scarborough, so is Chris Matthews. Add to that the ridiculous pass these guys give Obama when he comes on their shows (and their slamming of the last Democratic debate while focusing solely on the incendiary questions posed to Obama) and you have Obama girl in a suit.
- chicofaraby, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3Yeah, "liberal media" we've all heard about it.
What does Senator Obama have to do with those of us on the left? He's not over here. - dexter411, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1- Higher taxes for all? Check.
- Bigger government? Check.
- More social welfare? Check.
- Affirmative action? Check.
- dexter411, on 05/07/2008, -2/+2I'll assume you've never seen MSNBC.
- Memitim, on 05/07/2008, -3/+3I'm not one for conspiracy theories but it is a damned sight easier to erase backups then to scour thousands and thousands of emails for information that you would prefer others didn't see. The one inside tech needed to kill the tapes is a hell of a lot easier to keep quiet than the legion of staffers needed for such an undertaking. Seems like it would be a lot smarter to accept the risk of being caught improperly maintaining backups then to be caught organizing a massive revision effort, regardless of the threat presented by what is actually in the emails.
- inajeep, on 05/07/2008, -2/+8The CIO Theresa Payton who made the decision will get fired if she isn't already gone.
- facttech, on 05/07/2008, -5/+42It's a good thing we have such an independent Attorney General like Mukasey to make sure there is accountability for this sort of thing. The Democrats sure did think ahead when they OK'ed him as the replacement for that lapdog Gonzales. [end sarcasm]
- biotch, on 05/07/2008, -3/+9Oh right.... so who then was Bush going to nominate that would be willing to enforce accountability?.... If the dems were stubborn about it we just simply wouldnt have an AG and some right wing nutcase would be appointed by default. Its naive to think all the dems had to do was wait for an appointee that would eventually go after Bush.
- grumpyrain, on 05/07/2008, -1/+18Yep, there is no backup /wink
- page2, on 05/07/2008, -1/+5Wrong: "White House Admits It Is Missing Email Backup Tapes"
Right: "White House Claims It Is Missing Email Backup Tapes"
- page2, on 05/07/2008, -1/+5Wrong: "White House Admits It Is Missing Email Backup Tapes"
- Dumbledorito, on 05/07/2008, -2/+48And once again, the bar is lowered for any future president to do the same. Good work, BushCo.
Nice to know "the adults are in charge," isn't it?- jaymzdean, on 05/07/2008, -1/+8I hear that a lot. The old,
"My GOD, this sets a bad precedent. Some day in the future a real criminal is going to worm his way into the White House and use these powers against the American People. "
Wake up, the future is now.- Dumbledorito, on 05/07/2008, -1/+5Oh, it goes far beyond that. This sets a LEGAL precedent. If a president does something and isn't prosecuted, a future president can point to the previous one and claim legal justification.
This is far from finger-wagging on my part, I assure you.- Jan33, on 05/07/2008, -4/+1Deltamales at work
- Dumbledorito, on 05/07/2008, -1/+5Oh, it goes far beyond that. This sets a LEGAL precedent. If a president does something and isn't prosecuted, a future president can point to the previous one and claim legal justification.
- jaymzdean, on 05/07/2008, -1/+8I hear that a lot. The old,
- biotch, on 05/07/2008, -2/+58It IS a federal offense to not keep those records so hopefully at least someone will get nailed for it.
- flaknugget, on 05/07/2008, -2/+22Hopefully? Ya that's the new American way, policy based on hope.
I hope the economy and your multiple war fronts figure themselves out eventually too.- cirquo, on 05/07/2008, -2/+6Isn't HOPE what the Obama campaign is preaching and going with, oh man, we are in trouble. Let's Hope everything works out in th bogger scheme because that is all we have left. Hope that is.
- WilliamDavis, on 05/07/2008, -3/+3It's not all about "hope." We're not stupid. It's also about change.
- biotch, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Sadly yes that is indeed what it has come to... Its routine for this administration to skirt the law. I dont expect accountability. I just hope for it.
- cirquo, on 05/07/2008, -2/+6Isn't HOPE what the Obama campaign is preaching and going with, oh man, we are in trouble. Let's Hope everything works out in th bogger scheme because that is all we have left. Hope that is.
- americamatrix, on 05/07/2008, -6/+2I work for a well known Aerospace company. Our company policy is to keep email for 5 days, after that it is deleted.
This should not come as a surprise to anyone....
Buried.- obliviousfool, on 05/07/2008, -2/+6You aren't required by federal law to keep your e-mails, are you? You didn't "discover" that your e-mails were "missing" after they were subpoenaed, right?
- BearinG, on 05/07/2008, -2/+5Oh we're talking about you and your company, all this time I thought we we're talking the WHITE HOUSE
I keep no backups of my e-mails at home... what's your point? - kemp34, on 05/08/2008, -1/+3Very intellectually lacking comment there americamatrix. Your company =/ White House.
- flaknugget, on 05/07/2008, -2/+22Hopefully? Ya that's the new American way, policy based on hope.
- Winston84, on 05/07/2008, -2/+39Convenient is not the word .. Why aren't Bush, Cheney et al in jail ?
- truthhammer, on 05/07/2008, -14/+3The same reason Slick Willy didn't do time for lying to the Feds (I wonder how Marion Jones feels about that?).
- pintomp3, on 05/07/2008, -3/+12OMG, he lied about getting a blowjob. that's like the same thing as lying about a war.
- truthhammer, on 05/07/2008, -9/+5He still lied to the Feds. You or I would have went to jail for what he did. Somehow different rules apply to those in high places.
- pintomp3, on 05/07/2008, -2/+11you or i would not have been asked by the feds about a blowjob.
- truthhammer, on 05/07/2008, -8/+3Not the point and you know it. Facts are facts.
- 1shawn, on 05/07/2008, -1/+9Bush and Cheney lied too, yet they aren't getting impeached like Bill did because they're covering up the truth. When the truth comes out, they will have a hefty price to pay for all this. Hopefully this will happen soon so impeachment proceedings can begin to get the criminals out of office ASAP.
- truthhammer, on 05/07/2008, -9/+5He still lied to the Feds. You or I would have went to jail for what he did. Somehow different rules apply to those in high places.
- pintomp3, on 05/07/2008, -3/+12OMG, he lied about getting a blowjob. that's like the same thing as lying about a war.
- psyjoniz, on 05/07/2008, -1/+10because the people that have the power to put them in jail are either afraid of them, or on their payroll.
- kenplaysviola, on 05/07/2008, -1/+4Because our elected officials won't put them up for trial. Too bad us Americans are forgetful and will re-elect these same officials. And here we are, wondering why nothing ever gets changed in this country. I get sick of people always blaming Bush and Cheney. Don't forget that your elected representatives since they are just as responsible for letting Bush and Cheney do what they want to do. So next time you feel mad at Bush and Cheney, don't forget about your elected representatives. They get to hide behind in numbers with the amnesia of Americans. I'm personally voting against my elected officials who haven't done what I wanted rather than just their political party affiliation.
- dexter411, on 05/07/2008, -1/+5Because computer hardware failing isn't a crime. Reserve judgment on the tapes being intentionally destroyed until you actually have evidence of it.
- richmomz, on 05/07/2008, -2/+2Because this country ceased being a democracy some time ago and so the powers that be are no longer subject to public scrutiny.
- truthhammer, on 05/07/2008, -14/+3The same reason Slick Willy didn't do time for lying to the Feds (I wonder how Marion Jones feels about that?).
- Waiting2awake, on 05/07/2008, -4/+52This is against your laws isn't it America? They work for you don't they America?
America - are you there?- luchid, on 05/07/2008, -2/+21Shh, they're watching American Idol and chewing on lard blocks.
- obliviousfool, on 05/07/2008, -1/+4Mmmmmmmm ....lard ....argl-argl-argl.
- BearinG, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2hahah chewing lard blocks.. i saw the image in my head..
- Phearce, on 05/07/2008, -1/+18Thank you for calling BushCo. Your call is important to us. Please note that all communications are recorded for quality control purposes. By contacting us you agree that anything you say (or have said, or will say) can and will be used against you.
At the tone, please state your full name, social security number, full address, date of birth, mother's maiden name, and any other personably identifable information you can think of.
In the meantime, we have already dispatched an agent to the location you are contacting us from. Please cooperate fully with the agent. Do not ask any questions of the agent as that will be interpreted as resistance and/or sedition.
*BEEP*- Malacandra95, on 05/07/2008, -1/+5You may be onto something. They probably needed all the magnetic media they could get their hands on for recording OUR emails and phonecalls.
- Malacandra95, on 05/07/2008, -1/+5You may be onto something. They probably needed all the magnetic media they could get their hands on for recording OUR emails and phonecalls.
- jschrab, on 05/07/2008, -1/+9Sigh. The problem is that in America we don't have a good answer to the question "Who watches the watchers?" Our 3 branches of government are suppose to offer checks and balances among themselves but that's not occurring right now sadly.
- Dumbledorito, on 05/07/2008, -1/+10Four branches. You forgot Cheney.
- cybrguy, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2Congress has the responsibility, but they are all lapdogs who won't take a risk to do what is right. Corruption at its finest.
- luchid, on 05/07/2008, -2/+21Shh, they're watching American Idol and chewing on lard blocks.
- bosssmiley, on 05/07/2008, -1/+10Truth buried as 'inconvenient'. Article dugg as 'not unexpected'.
- bumcheekcity, on 05/07/2008, -1/+42It's almost as if they were trying to hide something. Something like lies. Lots and lots of lies.
- Waiting2awake, on 05/07/2008, -1/+8Ohh bumcheekcity - how did you become so cynical? ;-)
- cybrguy, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2Probably a host of emails sounding something like this: "How can we best sway american opinion and fabricate a picture of Iraq that presently does not exist?"
But its not my place to judge them, its congresses, but since congress is not doing its job... that makes me sad...
- delrin500, on 05/07/2008, -2/+44War Criminals should go to PRISON!!!!
- Waiting2awake, on 05/07/2008, -2/+9Or, just holding cells until their "final appearance".
I'm just saying...- BearinG, on 05/07/2008, -1/+1But if they're "criminals".. they're not just suspects..
- Waiting2awake, on 05/07/2008, -2/+9Or, just holding cells until their "final appearance".
- farkis, on 05/07/2008, -18/+1Another win for the country, another loss for activist judges and lawyers who feel they're above the law.
- zeusthemoose, on 05/07/2008, -1/+4I feel sorry for you.
- aupton, on 05/07/2008, -7/+33PUT THEM ALL IN JAIL THEY BROKE THE LAW AND SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE THE REST OF US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THEY ARE ALL F'N CRIMINALS AND SHOULD BE PUBLICLY HUNG OLD WEST STYLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!- ApokalypseNow, on 05/07/2008, -1/+14Put it on pay-per-view and start fixing the debt.
Drop in the bucket, I know, but you gotta start somewhere.- thawkth, on 05/07/2008, -1/+8Hell, put it on iTunes/Amazon/international ppv or even TPB/Torrent with a paypal link open to the entire world - charge a small fee - fix the debt ;)
- Waiting2awake, on 05/07/2008, -1/+8*****, can you imagine the trillions that would be raised?
- Pilot85, on 05/07/2008, -1/+1I would buy it. i would buy it ten times.
- Waiting2awake, on 05/07/2008, -1/+8*****, can you imagine the trillions that would be raised?
- thawkth, on 05/07/2008, -1/+8Hell, put it on iTunes/Amazon/international ppv or even TPB/Torrent with a paypal link open to the entire world - charge a small fee - fix the debt ;)
- DteK, on 05/07/2008, -3/+3Hanged not hung
- Virgule, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1you forgot the "oneoneoneleven" part
- ApokalypseNow, on 05/07/2008, -1/+14Put it on pay-per-view and start fixing the debt.
- KillaJazzBass, on 05/07/2008, -1/+9Theres something to be said about covering your tracks.. Unless the very act of covering ones tracks indites ones own guilt. In that case, your not only conspicuously guilty, your conspicuously stupid.
- positron, on 05/07/2008, -1/+4It's not the crime, it's the cover up.
- matx, on 05/07/2008, -1/+10They must have run out of email space on their hotmail accounts.
- UtahApocalyse, on 05/07/2008, -2/+5Coincidence?
- flaknugget, on 05/07/2008, -1/+14Its a good thing America enjoys a leadership appointed by god, existing well above the laws of men.
A real democracy would take great issue with such disregard for public service and accountability. - Jan33, on 05/07/2008, -2/+10* vomits *
- adml_shake, on 05/07/2008, -2/+15*****. Either someone has a copy sitting somewhere or they were ordered destroyed (the more likely case). No one doing IT at that level can be that freak'en incompetent.
- silentboom, on 05/07/2008, -0/+3Completely true. Every IT person would have archives of this type of stuff unless it was policy not to.
- Memitim, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1Hell, we can't keep our people from archiving every byte they receive. We constantly get requests for bigger mailboxes and .pst transfers when deploying PCs.
- silentboom, on 05/07/2008, -0/+3Completely true. Every IT person would have archives of this type of stuff unless it was policy not to.
- bluechips23, on 05/07/2008, -2/+6Okay, if the backups don't exist, how about forensically extracting the deleted data from the physical hard drive's data blocks? I am sure they got enough cool software to do that.
- inajeep, on 05/07/2008, -1/+5Interestingly enough all the servers are gone, burned, ashes mixed w/ cement and are at the bottom of some 3 mile deep trench in the Atlantic. So grab your snorkel.
- Jan33, on 05/07/2008, -1/+3That only works on file-sharers.
- bigmac7669, on 05/07/2008, -6/+1Who uses tapes anymore? Get NAS
- al3efroman, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1People who know how to run real backups.
- The_Dude, on 05/07/2008, -2/+6Dead sys admins.
- thawkth, on 05/07/2008, -2/+2Any idea if there's any talk of trying to recover that data? Not sure I'd trust any government agency to do it, but I'm sure there are more than a few people willing to try. Where's my f*cking electron microscope? I'm pissed.
- maisis00, on 05/07/2008, -2/+12WTF! Every company I have ever worked for requires record retention including backup tapes equal to the last seven years. Who in the hell is running the White House IT department?! I mean WTF! And the statement that their is no adequate method of archiving MS Exchange servers, what a joke! Their real argument revolves around the fact these Exchange archiving solutions don't allow for the exclusion of personal information that might be captured by the archiving system. I say, "too bad, too sad" the White House needs to have a policy just like every company in the world that says; "We own this email system and all content produced by it. If you don't want your corresponded recorded and retained then send your message via another method."
Wow having a separate email address for personal correspondence what a novel concept, I wonder if there is anyone out there who could provide the White house with a free personal email account maybe Yahoo, Microsoft, Google and I am sure their are a couple more out there. As we can all tell the Internet is really hurting for a lack of available personal email accounts.- CedEx, on 05/07/2008, -4/+0Pfft.. government slacke...umm.. I mean government workers...
- lazyfisherman, on 05/07/2008, -1/+4It's shocking just how many public figures and organizations pull this crap. If there's no evidence, nobody can prosecute them for crimes etc. so they hide the evidence and claim they lost it or it never existed in the first place. It's a loophole in the law that is used by so many scumbags and there needs to be a better way to hold people accountable when information that should exist and be easily produced "disappears".
- Waiting2awake, on 05/07/2008, -0/+4A government of the people, by the people for the people - it naturally follows that punishment could also be enacted by the people.
If only America had any patriots left.- CedEx, on 05/07/2008, -1/+0Tom Brady needs to step up.
- Waiting2awake, on 05/07/2008, -0/+4A government of the people, by the people for the people - it naturally follows that punishment could also be enacted by the people.
- jd72277, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2I would love an IT job there... I guess as long as the keep the internet available they are all set.
- Waiting2awake, on 05/07/2008, -1/+10Seriously though guys... America....Hi.
Could you please act like you give a ***** that these guys have screwed your country for probably more than two generation to come. They have not only ***** you, but your kids and probably grandkids as well. They have, are and will continue to make a mockery out of your once great, once respected Nation. As if that isn't bad enough they have, at each step, become more brazen about their lawless behaviour and superiority over the masses.
Those masses, who have claimed that they would defend their nation have chosen - for whatever reason - not to.
- The_Dude, on 05/07/2008, -1/+1Dude, they can disappear you. As in, you're gone. Like Jimmy Hoffa.
- Jan33, on 05/07/2008, -1/+1Frankly, is there a reason they think they should leave office? At all? Ever?
- The_Dude, on 05/07/2008, -1/+1Dude, they can disappear you. As in, you're gone. Like Jimmy Hoffa.
- psyjoniz, on 05/07/2008, -1/+8if it was a private company (not in bed with the government) that the government wanted email backups from and they were not available, you can bet your ass that someone's head would be rolling and it would have rolled a long time ago. this is ***** disgusting.
- roho76, on 05/07/2008, -3/+2Every one seems to think that there are secret backups somewhere to be found. But I have to ask honestly why would they keep backups of their lies? It's not like they'll need to reference them later. I would think that if there are backups somewhere then they would be in an email server somewhere that they do not know about. I'm no computer guru but I can't imagine that they would keep anything that would be incriminating if they have the opportunity to destroy it.
- nihilite, on 05/07/2008, -2/+8Tar? Check.
Feathers? Check.
Let's run these filthy bitches out of town on a rail. - Jan33, on 05/07/2008, -2/+7* comes back, vomits again *
- DteK, on 05/07/2008, -1/+3Geez, one of my servers gets compromised due to outdated version of coppermine, script kiddies put up an ebay phising site on my server, ebay contacts me to tell me I am running an illegal phising site and violating copyright laws by using their logo, they claim to have reported it to the FBI and the FBI requires I keep all log files from my server for the next 3 YEARS!!!
Guess its time to finally get rid of those and just claim ignorance if they ever decided to really look into it. - gimpbully, on 05/07/2008, -2/+5To assert that there are no backups of mail from any time period during this presidency can be nothing but a pure lie
- orchidee2, on 05/07/2008, -2/+1This is quite an interesting kind of (dis)information politics!
- neko, on 05/07/2008, -1/+4It is only email. If you filter out all the attachments of cat macros and pictures of monkeys wearing people clothes, you could fit it onto a couple of consumer-grade removable hard drives. That's all it'd take. And you'd think that this being a government organization, that perhaps storing these emails would be an important thing to do.
So we've (hopefully) ruled out incompetence. That only leaves the malevolence. - frepnog, on 05/07/2008, -11/+1so, where are the emails from the Kennedy era?
oh wait.
this ***** reminds me of people who say "with all the driving i do, i dont know how i would get by with out my cell phone". really? what did you do before cell phones? - phre3k187, on 05/07/2008, -2/+11Ron Paul
- chicofaraby, on 05/07/2008, -0/+5Can he recover data from hard drives?
- Jan33, on 05/07/2008, -0/+3lol u made me laugh & vomit at the same time
- silentboom, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1He wouldn't allow them to be lost in the first place!
- chicofaraby, on 05/07/2008, -0/+5Can he recover data from hard drives?
- rodgerse, on 05/07/2008, -4/+4Come on, this "email-gate" thing is just another long running scandal from bush..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_e-ma ...
apprently they simply (conveniently) don't have an adequet email back-ups system for a while now, and reuse old back-up disks, why would you think they have records for a specific time period?.
Oh yeah, not that it matters but this is (one of) the possible laws being broken hear.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Records_ ... - wynja, on 05/07/2008, -1/+6This is highly illegal constituting a "high crime," in fact. FFS, can we just impeach the ***** now!!!!!!
- Monk22, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2only if you can prove it
- wynja, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1The absence of emails proves that the law has not been followed. Kuurduhh.
- Monk22, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2only if you can prove it
- ssj2119, on 05/07/2008, -2/+4Should of used Gmail...Lots of space
Over 6698.961629 megabytes (and counting) of free storage so you'll never need to delete another message! - usgovterrorists, on 05/07/2008, -1/+4The good news is the terrorists in the Whitehouse know what they are doing is wrong.
The bad news is the American people are sheeple, and completely brainwashed! - stonewaljacksn, on 05/07/2008, -3/+11You know what sucks about being a liberal?...It's that fact that we were completely right all along dating all the way back to the Axis of Evil comments, and now we can't even be openly proud about it because theres a ***** WAR going on that was started by the people who were completely wrong. It was win-win for the wrong guys. We went from being completely right about the war to having to be split up arguing about whether to stay and FINISH THE WAR WE DIDNT WANT or COME HOME N HOPE IRAQ DOESNT FALL APART.
That ***** sucks.- jonr, on 05/07/2008, -3/+5Try being a lefty foreigner (crimson red commie bastard to you people). You can only say "I told you so" so many times before it starts to sound surreal.
- stonewaljacksn, on 05/07/2008, -2/+2try being less presumptuous, arrogant, and pretentious.
- mofw, on 05/07/2008, -2/+1That was all part of their plan sir.
- chicofaraby, on 05/07/2008, -2/+1Hey, I have NO problem with that choice. End it right now. Cut the Pentagon off today. Cut off George Bush's spending in Iraq today. Authorize enough money for a commercial flight for every American in Iraq. Leave the tickets at the Baghdad airport "will call" for ten days only and allow carry on only. Get the ***** out! The US military IS the problem in Iraq.
- jonr, on 05/07/2008, -3/+5Try being a lefty foreigner (crimson red commie bastard to you people). You can only say "I told you so" so many times before it starts to sound surreal.
- dtfinch, on 05/07/2008, -1/+5I still have ***** of spam going back to the year 2000 that I haven't deleted yet.
- Homerr, on 05/07/2008, -1/+8Treasonous.
- hovester, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2Hmm...probably because they think the acronym "IT" stands for International Terrorist. What a bunch of idiots!
- mliving, on 05/07/2008, -2/+11So let me get this straight.
The very same individuals who setup the largest and most pervasive domestic spying operation in American history. An operation that sucked up every email, phone, cell phone conversation made be virtually every US citizen didn't keep copies of their own communications. Hmmm.
Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot...
Wake the ***** up sheeple!- Memitim, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2Pretty much the same way that Diebold, a manufacturer of financial systems that have to keep insanely reliable records, can't manufacture a voting machine that can provide a simple paper trail.
- GettinReal, on 05/07/2008, -3/+4O.k. Americans its time to wake the ***** up. If you think that the democrats are the answer just look at how they essentially rubber stamp everything Bush and his cohorts have done from the Iraq War to his gustapo cabinet positions to the rhetoric on Iran. If you think voting is going to change anything just think back to when the Iraqis voted and got their purple finger and fox news ran this story for months....LOL. The entire world is being run roughshod over. Humans are being trampled by the monstrous machine of globalization and fascism. All the key positions are stacked from the pope to the president of France. Pieces of ***** at every podium. If you really think the Bush has been an o.k. leader ask yourself what has he done for you or your family? Your country? He has made us weaker. He has spearheaded the drive to strip our freedoms under the guise of safety. He has looted our pockets and called it economic growth. He's blown up kids and called it Operation Freedom. They are close to absolute dictatorship but not quite there. In order to really make this happen they will roll out another big disaster of some sort and then promise to save us all. When they go to make this move, then we will make ours. If it doesn't work out then we'll make our second move in Hell.
- kemp34, on 05/07/2008, -1/+9Impeach.
- CryRightardCry, on 05/07/2008, -2/+6LOL
Only the Bush regime and the GOP could be such bald faced LIARS as to suggest that the emails leading up to Iraq are not important. -
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