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- reqork, on 10/28/2008, -22/+1109How the ***** do we allow this crap to be part of something so important?
- piper999, on 10/28/2008, -23/+948How come touch screen ATMs work right time after time after time and these voting machines go 'whoops' and vote straight republican every couple of goes? EVEN WHEN THE TOOL OF A CLERK IS ATTEMPTING TO SHOW THEM WORKING.
How come I don't have to recalibrate the screen on my iPhone every few seconds of use and how come something so important as a voting machine is so ***** inaccurate?
***** outrageous and it makes me sick to my stomach. - MCMookie, on 10/28/2008, -45/+294This video is sickening. I guess people voting democrat and not paying attention will instead be voting for independents. /le sigh/ Ugh, dirty ***** tactics.
- springfels, on 10/28/2008, -34/+254FIRST, MUST READ: TAKE ACTION NOW!
http://www.nomorestolenelections.org/ Every possible type of voter fraud here and actions to take asap! Including email actions to state officials and press. Plus a post-election day action group ready to protest any election fraud.
HERE ARE SOME RESOURCES ON VOTER PROTECTION:
http://www.bradblog.com/ Brad Blog : the Best Site out there for voter machine fraud.
see videos of the touch screens flipping. updated every day.
VideotheVote.org
Video the Vote is a national initiative to protect voting rights by monitoring the electoral process. We organize citizen journalists—ordinary folks like you and me—to document election problems as they occur. And then we distribute their footage to the mainstream media and online to make sure the full story of Election Day gets told.
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http://whythingsmatter.org/?p=7 Voter Preparedness - Make Sure Your Vote is Counted!
Important phone numbers and other resources to make sure you get to vote when you go to the polls.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/26/voter.suppr ... CNN -voter suppression article
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Portal: ... Election Protection Wiki
"Citizens tracking voter suppression and election integrity." - theNazz, on 10/28/2008, -8/+149Allow? "we" don't allow anything. It is imposed on us with no regard to our thoughts or opinions.
- inactive, on 10/28/2008, -5/+134As someone who has worked with touchscreens in the past, they are picky and a horrible choice for electronic ballots. (not electronic ballots, but touch screens for public kiosks, etc.)
Food, sweat, spit, blood, and drinks can throw the calibration off. Fingernails can damage the elements and cause them to malfunction.
People are destructive, unclean animals with a tendency to panic. The individual is respectful and clean.
In Texas, the electronic voting machines use a wheel and four buttons. It is very simple to use. People just don't understand the technology; they treat them like TVs and expect them to be as simple. But they're not. So if they intimidate you, use the paper ballot.
This is a training and education issue; not some grand conspiracy... I suppose the old adage comes to play; Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. If the observer is sufficiently ignorant, this is what you get.
These poll workers should be better trained, and maybe video's explaining the process should play to those waiting in line. The video could also explain how the machines could become uncalibrated through usage; and how to report or what to do if it happens to the voter.
A little information to address this would go a long way IMHO. It's not like they don't spend an outrageous amount on this already. - mgill3, on 10/28/2008, -9/+123EVERYBODY:
WHEN YOU GO TO VOTE, ASK FOR A PAPER BALLOT!
THEY ARE REQUIRED TO OFFER PAPER BALLOTS.
SCREW the machines! Hopefully by asking for a paper ballot, other's around you will like the idea and ask for one, too.
PAPER BALLOTS FTW! (PAPER TRAIL!)
Don't settle for these machines! We don't have to! - muckemuck, on 10/28/2008, -4/+116It should be on the front page no matter who wins, and it should have been on the front page long ago. Our entire election process is a joke.
- Mikidogo, on 10/28/2008, -5/+114Spot on. Wish I could digg your comment twice.
- kaelyiesta, on 10/28/2008, -36/+134Are you serious? The UN has no right or authority over the US. Our own law is the only law of this country. We do not need a higher power dictating terms to us. We need to 'regulate' ourselves.
- inactive, on 10/28/2008, -2/+97A "show of hands" would be far more accurate than this crap.
- inactive, on 10/28/2008, -75/+160Any programmer can write the code so this does not happen. When it happens, it is intentional. The code was written by criminals! Where's the law and order in this country?
- inactive, on 10/28/2008, -23/+101So it just kept "accidentally" messing up even after he calibrated it... awesome... sigh... The GOP may just steal this election...
- rossnyc, on 10/28/2008, -13/+90My iphone doesnt need calibration and it only cost 200$. These machines cost how much? $2500? $5000? And the tards can't get the friggin calibration right and to hold it's calibration for a few days? Sadly, my faith in people lessens every day.
- rossnyc, on 10/28/2008, -13/+89Anyone else notice there are never problems during the primaries?
- S5S5S5, on 10/28/2008, -9/+82Wrong, all touchscreens need calibration. I don't know if it's normal for it to be off by like 5 inches, but touchscreens will register incorrect position without proper calibration. If you can write code that can do away with calibration, you can quit your day job.
http://www.embedded.com/story/OEG20020529S0046 - miriamz, on 10/28/2008, -17/+87Please check out
http://www.VideoTheVote.org
And spread the word that anyone can call the free Election Protection hotline now through Election Day to get voting information or to REPORT ANY VOTING PROBLEMS that you experience or witness:
Call 1-866-OUR-VOTE (which is 866-687-8683)
This hotline is run by volunteer lawyers who are part of the largest non-partisan Election Protection coalition.
You can also reach them by email: help@866ourvote.org
or via text message through Twitter.
More info at http://www.866ourvote.org
For additional information on voting problems and election protection, go to:
http://truth.voteforchange.com
http://www.MLandman.com/resourcelinks/obama.html
http://sites.google.com/site/protecttheelection200 ...
http:// - abajaj2280, on 10/28/2008, -1/+69Seriously, why the ***** do we need touchscreen machines, that's wasting money. I'm totally satisfied with some ***** buttons.
- inactive, on 10/28/2008, -5/+72Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but I'd say plausible deniability - something like this throws the results, but if anyone asks questions, it was a glitch, not a malicious attempt to steal votes. In fact, you can drag out videos like this that prove it was a glitch. The scandal here is not that the machines are being tampered with, but that we're using such unreliable equipment for something so important in the first place.
- arjunprabhu, on 10/28/2008, -8/+66I dont understand one thing... If these criminals really want to flip the vote, why do they DISPLAY the flip on the screen ? (In all possibility, they can just record the vote incorrectly behind the scenes).
Is this being too stupid ?
Whatever be the case, stories like these are a BIG shame to a mature democracy like the US (and only heard in 3rd world countries!!) - inactive, on 10/28/2008, -6/+62Why do we allow it to be imposed on us? If this election gets stolen - GENERAL STRIKE!
- govsucks, on 10/29/2008, -5/+61This is pathetic. My iphone can understand touches without me EVER calibrating the damn thing. These things need to be thrown in the damn trash and we can go back to paper til we fix these things. This has nothing to do with Obama and more to do with a pathetic excuse for technology that was sold to the government at an undoubtedly ridiculous cost. Why is it that so many private companies can get touch screen working flawlessly in so many different applications but these guys have trouble letting us click on the appropriate 2 inch tall by 4 inch wide rectangle. I touch things on my iphone no larger than .25X.25 all the time and I have big fingers.
This is total *****, makers of touch screen voting system you are ***** fired! - trogdoor, on 10/28/2008, -4/+59And people voting republican and not paying attention will also be voting for independents if the machine is not calibrated.
- stuy486, on 10/28/2008, -2/+57In this case, as the man clearly explains, it has nothing to do with tactics, but rather a badly calibrated touch screen.
- Michigan85, on 10/28/2008, -5/+55Who wants to bet this won't make it to the news?
- Bartboy919, on 10/28/2008, -8/+58CHUCK BALDWIN AND RALPH NADER ARE STEALING OUR VOTES!!!
- haydukeqc, on 10/28/2008, -2/+49Ladies and gentleman, your next president...
Chuck Baldwin?! - atgmac, on 10/28/2008, -5/+51It's because it's not criminals flipping the vote, it's the machines are a load of crap.
This kind of calibration error does damage to McCain as well as Obama. - inactive, on 10/28/2008, -5/+48We need to burn every single one of these ***** machines.
- BabushkaBlue, on 10/28/2008, -7/+50What an awful mess.
- MonTheBuds, on 10/28/2008, -10/+52What was wrong with paper ballots? They were simple to use and there was no way the vote could be altered.
- jumboshrimp11, on 10/28/2008, -6/+43Not before you mentioned it, no... but good call, this is true
- Kosh, on 10/28/2008, -7/+43Did you watch the video? It was demonstrating an uncalibrated touch screen, not malacious voter fraud from the evil republicans.
- MrMetal, on 10/28/2008, -8/+41Unless you live in Florida.
- grumluvr, on 10/28/2008, -22/+55Watch halfway through the video (about 1 minute mark), most people will vote by hitting the two top buttons, which are "vote republican", "vote democrat". When the technician hits "vote democrat" it votes for McCain, when he then goes and hits the "vote republican" button it also votes McCain. THIS IS SERIOUSLY ***** UP!
Only a small percentage of these machines need to be screwing up around the US before the margin Obama has in the polls turns into a stolen election. - vroom101, on 10/28/2008, -4/+35UNACCEPTABLE!!!
We make sure the Space Shuttle Fleet software and hardware works as close to perfection as humanly possible -- otherwise the shuttles don't fly. We make sure the ATM machine work as close to perfection as humanly possible -- otherwise no cash is dispensed. So I don't understand how in the year 2008 something (by comparison) so simple as a vote-selection-vote-tally computer CANNOT flawlessly work each time its used! Can someone please explain -- in technical language and be as explicit as possible -- why this is supposed a difficult problem? - Harabeck, on 10/28/2008, -1/+31I went to early voting and used one of these machines. I didn't have any problems with it, and I would like to point out that it makes you to review your votes before you cast the ballot. Only those who are careless will get messed up by this. But the fact that its possible at all makes me sick. We need to spread this around so everyone makes sure to check their ballot before they do the final submit.
- zoom1928, on 10/28/2008, -14/+44Touchscreen ATM's do not work right at all out of the box. They have to be calibrated just like this touchscreen should have been calibrated. The ATM's also have to recalibrated pretty often too because changes in temperature and humidity change the capacitance of the film. That's why most ATM's still have real buttons rather than touchscreens. Other than the ones I've helped build, I've never actually seen a touchscreen ATM. Touchscreens are a pain in the neck and require too much maintenance, but the Democrats screamed for touchscreens rather than buttons so we're stuck with these stupid machines.
I used to work for a company that made touchscreen controllers, and 99% of our complaints were because the customer didn't calibrate the touchscreen properly or because they damaged the film. They just didn't press the screen in exactly the right place or they accidentally touched the screen with another finger or their other hand while pressing the calibration spot. They didn't take the calibration process seriously enough to make it work. - skippyrandom, on 10/29/2008, -3/+31did YOU watch the video?
even after the machine was recalibrated, it continued to malfunction.
i'm not pointing fingers, i'm just saying, this is bad. we can't have this. - Peko, on 10/28/2008, -12/+39I get what you're saying, and some of the links earlier about citizen empowerment seem hopeful. But I think MrCapo is trying to make a point that the UN is (for the most part) international and impartial, thus neatly avoiding any potential conflict of interests within any US governance. The UN also has a fair amount of experience and maturity in evaluating elections; that's also useful.
If the UN had issue or concern with the US democratic process, they would just make a report and write a nasty letter. I don't think it's a substantial threat to US sovereignty, at least probably less so than some of the potential internal shenanigans that have been evidenced.
In any case, I don't think UN monitors for US elections will gain any political traction any time soon, Americans have a lot of hubris and there's a fair groundswelling of disdain for the UN (imo mostly misplaced). But let's wait till next week; hopefully shenanigans are minimal. - Murdats, on 10/28/2008, -2/+28even ***** cheap machines are much more reliable then this.
you can get a cheap chinese touchscreen whatever and still not have it need calibration once a day, either these machines are so unbelievably crap that the contract for them should be terminated or there is something more sinister afoot, I have trouble believing these passed any sort of crappy QC. - MindTrigger, on 10/28/2008, -0/+26The point is, even if the vote flipping is a hardware/software problem with the equipment, THEY SHOULD BE PULLED. The reason for the flipping should be researched and uncovered, but people should not be using them for *any* election.
We are talking about electing the President of the United States here. My teenage kid's lunchroom has more security and oversight than the polling places. They treat this like we are deciding what to have for dinner at a drive through.
Why the hell isn't there more auditing, security and oversight during the elections? We are supposed to just trust the people who run these polling places to do the right thing? - DredPir8Robrts, on 10/29/2008, -0/+24My DS Lite is going strong and I don't exactly treat it nicely.
- RayDude, on 10/28/2008, -12/+36Its quite brilliant! Just flip a democratic vote to a third party candidate, then they can accuse him of stealing votes from the democratic party. Just like in 2004!
We must take control of our election process. We must return to our fundamentals. - geodebug, on 10/29/2008, -0/+23Diebold CEO promised to “deliver electoral votes” to Bush in 2004. Those voting machines had similar problems and for some reason when a vote was flipped it always went republican, enough so that exit polls were extraordinarily off.
I've gone to ATMs a few thousand times (many with touch screens) in my life and not once do I remember anything like this happening.
This is our democracy being stolen, little by little.
Why can't we just sue the bejeezus out of these companies that make such 'unintentionally crappy' products? - PhoenixSmasher, on 10/28/2008, -14/+37I saw no vote flipping caught on tape, just a screen that was intentionally left out of calibration for demonstration for the video. Take a video camera into the booth with you when you vote just to make sure.
- Braeden, on 10/28/2008, -1/+24These overly complicated machines behave like the "U-scan" machines at my grocery store-- they totally freak out if your finger is slightly wet from handling produce.
- ChileanGoD, on 10/29/2008, -1/+22In Brazil they are about to use electronic voting such as this. The difference is that the source code of every voting machine is open to every candidate or political party to analyze. So it's transparent for all.
So you know the 3rd world countries are beating your asses down. - akchrs, on 10/28/2008, -5/+26How about taking some personal responsibility and state to someone at the voting precinct that the machine is not working correctly.
- aussiejan, on 10/28/2008, -6/+26@toetagger - general strike, stop spending money and refuse to pay your taxes. The US lives and dies by the almighty dollar. "President" McCain would have a hard time running a country with no fiscal movement.
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